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Steve Spencer wrote:
You clearly have not followed Fuji's pricing over the last five years. Their strategy is to regularly have quite large sales and they do so despite having strong profits during that time.
Strong profits? Suuuuuure. I read every quarterly report. Imaging Solutions hardly produces strong profits.
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
Mar 22, 2020 at 01:41 AM
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rattymouse wrote:
Strong profits? Suuuuuure. I read every quarterly report. Imaging Solutions hardly produces strong profits.
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
And you have dramatically misrepresented those profits as you did in this thread:
I won't repeat what I researched and reported then, but in that thread you demonstrated that your reports of Fuji profits are just not credible.
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
Mar 22, 2020 at 09:26 AM
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rattymouse wrote:
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
You need to go back and take a basic economics course. Lower prices in general increase demand they do not weaken it. When something costs less people are more likely to buy it not less likely to do so. You seriously misunderstand economics if you think otherwise.
p.3 #6 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
rattymouse wrote:
Strong profits? Suuuuuure. I read every quarterly report. Imaging Solutions hardly produces strong profits.
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
Lower prices can mean anything, or it can mean nothing. There is always a reason behind it, but lowering prices doesn't always mean there is some sort of dire motivation. It could be an inventory sell-off before a new model announcement. It could be overproduction and demand is strong but not as strong as anticipated. Could mean they are worried about their 5 year old sensor being challenged by A7R4. Who knows – certainly not me, certainly not you.
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rattymouse wrote:
Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or not.
"Lower prices means weak demand, whether you understand it or no." ? That is simply not true--there are many times a company might lower a price for market penetration or to act as a lost leader, etc. However I do appreciate the continued arrogance in a number of your comments throughout this forum though.
p.3 #8 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
I'm pretty certain that Fuji is buying market share with this strategy. This is playing the long game and it has so far yielded some success; seeing that Phase One dropped out of the 33x44 market completely. They simply couldn't compete with the much less expensive products form Fuji and (gasp) Hasselblad.
H's cute and expensive offerings are likely a mere fraction of the market compared to Fuji. Is Pentax going to produce another body at all? I wonder.
Yes, I think their strategy is working very well, indeed.
Mar 22, 2020 at 11:48 PM
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p.3 #9 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
Is it pretty easy to get inexpensive adapters for OM, nikkor, m42 lenses? Is there a crop mode if they don't cover 33x44?
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AmbientMike wrote:
Is it pretty easy to get inexpensive adapters for OM, nikkor, m42 lenses? Is there a crop mode if they don't cover 33x44?
The quality adapters are not that inexpensive (the lenses are actually cheaper), but yes, there is a crop mode. And most lenses for the smaller format will also cover 33x33, which is a lovely way to get "true" squares without cropping usable image circle.
However, once you've tried the GF lenses, it's very, very hard to go back to legacy lenses for the smaller format.
If you're mostly gonna shoot with old lenses, a 24x36 camera is a better choice. The GFX 50R is kind of clunky compared to a modern Sony, Canon or Nikon mirrorless.
For me, it won't be replaced in many years. The only thing I miss is IBIS, and some of the buttons are worthless with gloves. But that goes for most other cameras as well.
Edit: Oh, and if someone feels that the lenses are a bit too expensive, by all means get the 50/3.5. It's stellar, and I'd gladly have it as my only GF lens if my budget didn't allow the other lenses.
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I second this advice. The 50/50 combo is portable and is enough for 70 per cent of my photography. The 80/1.7 or 110mm would fill the other 30.
Makten wrote:
The quality adapters are not that inexpensive (the lenses are actually cheaper), but yes, there is a crop mode. And most lenses for the smaller format will also cover 33x33, which is a lovely way to get "true" squares without cropping usable image circle.
However, once you've tried the GF lenses, it's very, very hard to go back to legacy lenses for the smaller format.
If you're mostly gonna shoot with old lenses, a 24x36 camera is a better choice. The GFX 50R is kind of clunky compared to a modern Sony, Canon or Nikon mirrorless.
For me, it won't be replaced in many years. The only thing I miss is IBIS, and some of the buttons are worthless with gloves. But that goes for most other cameras as well.
Edit: Oh, and if someone feels that the lenses are a bit too expensive, by all means get the 50/3.5. It's stellar, and I'd gladly have it as my only GF lens if my budget didn't allow the other lenses. ...Show more →
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To me GFX50s and 45mm f2.8 are pretty hand holdable for whole day kind of shooting. Personally I would love if Fuji would make some fast primes, none of this f3.5 stuff. Want to have smaller/lighter, why not f4 then or just use XF series.
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bobby350z wrote:
To me GFX50s and 45mm f2.8 are pretty hand holdable for whole day kind of shooting. Personally I would love if Fuji would make some fast primes, none of this f3.5 stuff. Want to have smaller/lighter, why not f4 then or just use XF series.
My only GF lens is the 63/2.8. It's really nice wide open.
p.3 #14 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
bobby350z wrote:
To me GFX50s and 45mm f2.8 are pretty hand holdable for whole day kind of shooting. Personally I would love if Fuji would make some fast primes, none of this f3.5 stuff. Want to have smaller/lighter, why not f4 then or just use XF series.
Why on earth would you prefer f/4 if you think f/3.5 is too slow?
The XF lenses are not even remotely as good as the 50/3.5. Apples and raisins.
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Makten wrote:
Why on earth would you prefer f/4 if you think f/3.5 is too slow?
The XF lenses are not even remotely as good as the 50/3.5. Apples and raisins.
Well I mention f4 only for some people sake, who like small/light weight lenses on MF. Personally I would want f2 lenses like the 110mm f2. I have the 45mm f2.8, nice but I would have preferred it to be f2 lens. It won't be as big/heavy as some think. Maybe 50mm f3.5 is mostly for GFX50R for street photography.
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Have a bunch of xf primes and other than the 16/1.4 and the 35/1.4 I feel the 50mm has a very pleasing rendering.
Makten wrote:
Why on earth would you prefer f/4 if you think f/3.5 is too slow?
The XF lenses are not even remotely as good as the 50/3.5. Apples and raisins.
p.3 #17 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
Luvwine wrote:
Just a quick comment. I too was using Sony A7RIV (had two bodies). I took one to Iceland with me to use along side my GFX 100. When I returned, I sold the Sony and bought a second GFX. I am not sure I can easily articulate why, but the decision was not difficult for me when reviewing the files. The focal lengths covered are increasingly good. I am enjoying more and more my Laowa 17/4 (13mm full frame equivalent). It is not quite as sharp as the native Fuji GF 23, but it is easy to use (infinity focus is at the hard stop), I can use filters on the lens (86mm filter thread but can use GND and ND 100x100mm) and its makes pretty sun stars. So my lineup now is 17, 23, 32-64, 45-100, 110/2, 100-200 and 250. This is 13mm to 200mm full frame. With extenders one can go longer but for Dan’s purposes, there are no really long zooms yet and not sure there will be anytime soon. Still, for my needs, I only wish for an UWA zoom and a couple of tilt shift lenses. Cost is certainly an issue and the system is not svelte, but eye AF and IBIS make it a pretty versatile system tho obviously behind full frame for sports, birds, and the like. ...Show more →
I am impressed with the move you made. I shoot mostly wildlife and usually carry two A7RIVs and an A9II. I recently borrowed the GFX100 and some lenses from Fuji to evaluate and made a video on my YouTube channel about the experience. I liked lots of things and I really wanted to like it because of other reasons that I often don’t see mentioned. One is that I like 4:3 as a native aspect ratio and the other is that I spend a lot of my time lying down photographing wildlife and that tilt and swivel EVF, which I did test as part of my eval, was very attractive as an ergonomic thing since you can actually kneel instead and look straight down the EVF.
Compared to the A7RIV, while there were clearly more pixels to play with, the noise levels weren’t noticeably better than the which makes sense since the pixel pitch is about the same. For my use the lack of a longer lens would be limiting and I’m not even someone that shoots with a 600 as I usually shoot with 400 and also shoot a lot of wildlife with 135 and 24. But one of the biggest issues was figuring out how to put together a kit based around the GFX100. I couldn’t imagine, size and weight-wise, carrying two GFXs let alone three (I carry three bodies now).
Back to the GFX50R, it’s definitely doesn’t make sense in terms of $$$ when you compare to something like the A7RIV but sometimes it’s not about that. The 50R strikes me as somewhat similar to the X-Pro3 in being very much about the experience while being overpriced when compared to other options.
p.3 #18 · Fujifilm GFX 50R Medium Format for only $3,499! ($1000 Off)
Steve Spencer wrote:
You need to go back and take a basic economics course. Lower prices in general increase demand they do not weaken it. When something costs less people are more likely to buy it not less likely to do so. You seriously misunderstand economics if you think otherwise.
Exactly right. You confirm my point. Thank you VERY much. The demand for the camera was so low, prices had to be lowered. That was my point right from the beginning. Flew right over your head I'm afraid.
You agree with me completely despite your feeble attempt at proving me wrong.
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2xbass wrote:
I am impressed with the move you made. I shoot mostly wildlife and usually carry two A7RIVs and an A9II. I recently borrowed the GFX100 and some lenses from Fuji to evaluate and made a video on my YouTube channel about the experience. I liked lots of things and I really wanted to like it because of other reasons that I often don’t see mentioned. One is that I like 4:3 as a native aspect ratio and the other is that I spend a lot of my time lying down photographing wildlife and that tilt and swivel EVF, which I did test as part of my eval, was very attractive as an ergonomic thing since you can actually kneel instead and look straight down the EVF.
Compared to the A7RIV, while there were clearly more pixels to play with, the noise levels weren’t noticeably better than the which makes sense since the pixel pitch is about the same. For my use the lack of a longer lens would be limiting and I’m not even someone that shoots with a 600 as I usually shoot with 400 and also shoot a lot of wildlife with 135 and 24. But one of the biggest issues was figuring out how to put together a kit based around the GFX100. I couldn’t imagine, size and weight-wise, carrying two GFXs let alone three (I carry three bodies now).
Back to the GFX50R, it’s definitely doesn’t make sense in terms of $$$ when you compare to something like the A7RIV but sometimes it’s not about that. The 50R strikes me as somewhat similar to the X-Pro3 in being very much about the experience while being overpriced when compared to other options....Show more →
Everyone has their tolerances for size/weight. I am now carrying two GFX 100 bodies, and usually have the 17, 23 and 45-100 lenses with me. 2 Bodies and 3 lenses are manageable for me but YMMV. I am hoping that they come out with an UWA zoom. If they had say a 20-35 (or 18-35 even better) then an UWA zoom on one body and a 45-100 on the other would make for a nice landscape setup.
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LensAuthority had one in EX condition at a great price this week so I took the plunge.
I'm still figuring out my glass situation. Is the 32-64 as good as they say?! I can see 32-64 + Canon 100-400L or 70-200L being a pretty hard to beat landscape kit. I don't shoot wider than 24 FF equivalent all that often.
? That is simply not true--there are many times a company might lower a price for market penetration or to act as a lost leader, etc. However I do appreciate the continued arrogance in a number of your comments throughout this forum though.