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p.1 #1 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


I have been looking for a lens for the occasional night/milky way shot that I do that a) does not weigh a ton b) does not break the bank c) has reasonable performance and d) preferably does not require adapaters on my Z6. The Laowa 15mm f2 "zero D" seemed to fit the bill based on the available reviews, so when one became available for $620 in "like new" condition on Adorama I decided to take the plunge.

Lens arrived today, and I would say that unlike B&H, Adorama has a fairly liberal interpreation of what "like new" means. The lens had visible smudges on the plastic surrounding the front element. But that is just a side issue for the purpose of this discussion.

While shooting it on a tripod side by side with the 14-30/f4, I noticed that at equivalent f-stop the Laowa would meter differently in A mode, and under equivalent settings in M mode it would produce darker images. Which caused me to run additional tests. On a tripod, in A mode, under fixed artifical lighting conditions I would simply record the metered shutter speeds.

The 14-30Z behaved exactly like you would expect. In the f/4-f/22 range at 1 stop increments the metered speeds were
f/4->f/22: 1/20, 1/10, 1/5, 1/2.5, 1/1.3, 1.6"
f22->f4: 1.6", 1/1.3, 1/2.5, 1/5, 1/10, 1/20

The Laowa not so much :
f/2.8->f22: 1/40, 1/20, 1/13, 1/5, 1/3, 1/1.6, 1"
f22-> f2.8: 1", 1", 1/2, 1/5, 1/10, 1/20, 1/40
Yes, f/22 and f/16 gave the exact same metered reading on the "down" series. The aperture ring was in "click" mode and I verified that it had clicked correctly. It is immediately obvious that the calibration is not correct, and there is significant backlash/hystersis between the up and down series. I repeated the test a couple of times and it was repeatable. As soon as the aperture was decreased above f/5.6 the increments were not integer steps of 1/2, and the return sweep was offset from the forward one.

In addition, the lens would meter in A and S modes, but not in M mode. Not sure if I would blame Laowa for that one, it may be something due to Nikon software, but it is a hassle to deal with either way.

Have not done detailed comparisons of IQ yet but it seems about what you would expect relative to the 14-30. Not as good contrast, not as good sharpness, slightly muddy look in the corners, even at f/16. Given that this lens lists for 65% of the Nikon the latter is not too surprising. I did not note any obvious decentering issues, though I have not looked too carefully.

These results are disappointing. I was hoping that the lens would be good enough to keep. I will play with it through the weekend, may actually do some milky way photography on Thu when the moon will rise under the full arc of the MW at 4:30am. But it is very likely going back to Adorama. Seems like I will need to spend more money. Alas, my options in native Z mount will be limited for the foreseable future. I just don't see myself spending $2.5k (or more) on the 14-24/2.8S. May have to wait for the Rokinon 14mm SP to come up used at a good price and shoot it adapted. By all accounts it is notably better than the Laowa.

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Mar 16, 2020 at 10:40 PM
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p.1 #2 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


GroovyGeek wrote:
I have been looking for a lens for the occasional night/milky way shot that I do that a) does not weigh a ton b) does not break the bank c) has reasonable performance and d) preferably does not require adapaters on my Z6. The Laowa 15mm f2 "zero D" seemed to fit the bill based on the available reviews, so when one became available for $620 in "like new" condition on Adorama I decided to take the plunge.

Lens arrived today, and I would say that unlike B&H, Adorama has a fairly liberal interpreation of what "like new" means. The lens
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Groovy Geek this is a well know problem with adapters on the Z cameras. Above f/5.6 you either have to have the camera set to wide open (in this case f/2), or use expose compensation if you set the camera to the aperture on the lens. It is caused because the camera is expecting that the lens is metering at f/5.6 but will stop down when taking the picture. This is not what you are doing, however, so you will either have to adjust for it, or set the camera at f/2 in which case it will just think the ambient light is darker than it really is but it will still meter properly.



Mar 16, 2020 at 11:12 PM
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p.1 #3 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


What adapters? This is a native Z mount lens, albeit with no chip or electronic contacts of any kind.

Not sure I follow, which is probably my fault. How do I "set the camera to wide open" or f2? Because this is a non-CPU lens the top LCD and the info screen read F--, it is grayed out and I can't change it. I have the non-CPU lens set to 15mm and f2 but that makes no difference.

I am wondering why it seems to meter fine in A and S modes but not M. Can you please elaborate? Thanks!



Mar 16, 2020 at 11:50 PM
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p.1 #4 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


GroovyGeek wrote:
What adapters? This is a native Z mount lens.

Not sure I follow, which is probably my fault. How do I "set the camera to wide open" or f2? Because this is a non-CPU lens the top LCD and the info screen read F--, it is grayed out and I can't change it. I have the non-CPU lens set to 15mm and f2 but that makes no difference.

I am wondering why it seems to meter fine in A and S modes but not M. Can you please elaborate? Thanks!


If it's a non-CPU lens, than it may as well be adapted. It sounds like the camera has a difficult time with metering properly below a specific aperture when set for manual.



Mar 17, 2020 at 12:09 AM
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freaklikeme wrote:
If it's a non-CPU lens, than it may as well be adapted. It sounds like the camera has a difficult time with metering properly below a specific aperture when set for manual.


It does not meter in M at any aperture... It meters at all apertures in S, A or P. Freaky (pun intented :-)

Upon firther reading this feels like a firmware issue. According to Nikon, when non-CPU lens data is set it should display the focal length
https://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/d850/en/16_other_shooting_options_06.html

I absolutely have the non-CPU lens data set and selected, yet the camera still reads F---

Others have noted this before but I cannot find an explanation why that may be the case
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62255352



Mar 17, 2020 at 12:12 AM
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p.1 #6 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


GroovyGeek wrote:
What adapters? This is a native Z mount lens, albeit with no chip or electronic contacts of any kind.

Not sure I follow, which is probably my fault. How do I "set the camera to wide open" or f2? Because this is a non-CPU lens the top LCD and the info screen read F--, it is grayed out and I can't change it. I have the non-CPU lens set to 15mm and f2 but that makes no difference.

I am wondering why it seems to meter fine in A and S modes but not M. Can you please elaborate? Thanks!


Ah, I have the Sony E mount version and use it with an adapter. So you are saying the metering works in A and S, but not M. When the metering doesn't work in M mode do you mean the auto-ISO? Because you must be setting the shutter speed and the aperture, I am not sure what you mean by doesn't work in M mode.



Mar 17, 2020 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #7 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


Steve Spencer wrote:
Ah, I have the Sony E mount version and use it with an adapter. So you are saying the metering works in A and S, but not M. When the metering doesn't work in M mode do you mean the auto-ISO? Because you must be setting the shutter speed and the aperture, I am not sure what you mean by doesn't work in M mode.


It just does not display any metering/exposure info in M. No auto-ISO. I am setting the shutter speed and aperture, and where the metring info normally is is just blank. Same as the guy on DPR whose post I linked to. The metering info is there in A, S, and P. I have submitted a support request with Nikon USA.

If anyone has the lens in Z mount can you let us know if your metering responds correctly to one stop aperture changes (doubles the exposure time) particularly at f/8 and above? Wondering if I should be looking for a better copy or if this is an inherent issue of the design. The Rokinon SP is now $750 on sale, no tax on B&H, so decent deal.



Mar 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM
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p.1 #8 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


Sounds like a Nikon camera issue. Those who were complaining about Sony menu should rethink their position.

Your only prayer is that there will be a FW update.



Mar 17, 2020 at 06:06 AM
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p.1 #9 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


I was planning to get Laowa 9mm F2.8 Sony version adapted to my Z50, but this fact discourages me a bit.
I tried Fuji version on X-T3 and I liked it, it worked very well on that camera, but X-T3 is way more rounded camera than Z50.



Mar 17, 2020 at 07:01 AM
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p.1 #10 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"


The Laowa 15mm f2 is well reviewed so I suspect that I got a bum copy. Previous owner probably returned it for the very same reasons and Adorama just turned around and tried to sell it "as new" to someone who would not check it out carefully. I will probably buy again if I can find a used one in the low 600s or below, as long as I can return it. Or, I can buy a Rokinon 14/2.8 in the low 200s and use it with FTZ for the occasional night shoot. I don't do much of that so it is probably not worth it to spend $600 for a single use lens, except the darn size and weight bother me. And so does the M metering issue.


Mar 17, 2020 at 11:02 PM
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p.1 #11 · Laowa 15mm f2 for Z mount "fun"



FWIW, I have this lens in E mount and while I use it on a Sony, the performance you're seeing does not jive with my experience. I think your hunch is correct.

-Tim

GroovyGeek wrote:
The Laowa 15mm f2 is well reviewed so I suspect that I got a bum copy. Previous owner probably returned it for the very same reasons and Adorama just turned around and tried to sell it "as new" to someone who would not check it out carefully. I will probably buy again if I can find a used one in the low 600s or below, as long as I can return it. Or, I can buy a Rokinon 14/2.8 in the low 200s and use it with FTZ for the occasional night shoot. I don't do much of that so
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