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Arka wrote:
The A7R? really? People really hated on aspects of the A7R. Crappy battery life, loud shutter, poor durability, crappy AF compared to its peers, slow, poor optimization of its 36MP sensor vis-a-vis Nikon counterparts using the same hardware... I don't think the A7R series (or really, the entire Sony Alpha range) really came into a refined form until the A9 and the A7RIII. The A7RIV introduces some nice new ergonomic tweaks and some added resolution, but I think most people can still be very happy shooting an A7R III (or as in my case, the A9 - a camera that still feels remarkably modern to me three years after I bought it). ...Show more →
I am using the A7R now successfully since 2014 as my main digital camera. Other than the shutter lag which only occurs during specific exposure times and where I use a simple work-around, I never had an issue using this camera. I mainly bought the A7R to adapt older manual focus lenses and use them with this high res sensor - with excellent results. I prefer manual focus in the first place, so all the AF bells and whistles are no use for me. I personally like also the ergonomics of the first generation of Sony FF MLCs better than the successor versions for multiple reasons - the A7R is smaller with the less bulky handgrip and similar to a Leica M, I prefer to have the shutter button directly on top of the camera and not extended out on the handgrip. Regarding adapting manual lenses, the first gen of A7 cameras is still considered the best since the later sensors can give some debits with some manual lenses. So I am a happy camper with the A7R, the results I post here speak for itself.
Now that the M10-R has been announced, I expect it will be very hard to get for a while. It looks like a really nice machine, and there are some clear advantages to the added resolution (croppability being the most notable one for me given the M-format). But reflecting on a possible purchase of an $8000 camera, I am wondering if it really makes sense for me. The lack of IBIS or AF means that critical focus may be tough to get in many situations - a shortcoming that will waste the added resolution. Of course, most of the M-photos I love weren't good because they were tack sharp - I like them because of the combination of how well my M-camera suited a particular situation as it unfolded. If I'd had 40Mp rather than 24MP, I don't think the images would've been meaningfully better. ...Show more →
I will be honest - if the camera wouldn't be > $8K, I would actually pre-order it. But it is far outside of what I would be willing to vest in any kind of digital camera. Leica digital remains just a virtual thing for me. I need to make a decision which model to get when I finally at some point decide to upgrade my A7R - I doubt it will be another Sony (I never vested in this environment either, and I never had a Sony FE lens either, so a switch will be easy). I would already seriously consider a used Leica M, but I don't want to go back to 24 MP after enjoying the 36 MP for so long  . I never had a camera with IBIS so far, but I also would see it as benefit to have. But I can also live well without it and still getting very sharp images with high MP FF sensor.
As to depreciation - Leicas depreciate plenty. I bought an M240 for $7000. I sold it for $3500. That difference is the cost of a Sony A7RIV. Or most of an A9 (which is what I actually replaced that camera with in 2019). As a percentage of the original purchase price (new), 50% depreciation on an electronic good is not awful. But seen in absolute dollars, it was a pretty expensive camera to own and operate over a 5 year period. As luxury goods go, my Rolex, and the Leica lenses, have done a lot better. The former has actually increased in value since I purchased it. ...Show more →
Regarding depreciation, depends also after which time you sell a used Leica camera. To lose 50% of its value is still better than for any Sony camera after the same number of years of usage - there you might only get less than 30%. Now with the M10s it is getting a bit tricky because early adaptors of the standard M10 might have a harder time now to sell it due to competitive M10-P, M10-M, and M10-R models. The standard M10 might see a larger depreciation in value. I agree that Leica M lenses have either remained constant in price or went up in value.
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