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Mark Metternich
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A single 16-minute exposure (with a 16-minute in-camera dark frame to reduce noise) at twilight at this incredible 200 foot (60 meters) deafening waterfall in the unprecedented beauty of the Pacific Northwest. When everyone leaves is often when the real fun and experiments begin! 👍🏻

Details for the more inquisitive:

Doing photography workshops for about 15 years, one thing I notice with about 98% of the attendees is that after the peak of sunset especially, everyone seems to pack it up almost immediately. I remember Alex Noriega (friend and one of my favorite photographers) once saying something to the extent of "usually when sunset is hitting the blazing peak, people are asking me why I m not shooting. Often it is when everyone is leaving or has already left that I am just getting started." I just love the idea of working with the surreal and diffused blue hour of twilight and simply NOT knowing how the results will turn out. I also like uniqueness when sometimes it can be achieved.


Sony A7r2
Canon 11-24@12mm
f/8
16 seconds
in-camera 16-minute dark frame
ISO Native 100
Experiment! That's the fun part!









Feb 04, 2020 at 11:14 AM
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Another great one!

If I may ask, how do you calculate these extreme long exposure times? Since after sunset light conditions change quickly - an 15m exposure now can turn into 20m exposure 10m later :-)

Cheers, A.



Feb 04, 2020 at 11:15 AM
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Another incredible shot brotha! dayum


Feb 04, 2020 at 11:46 AM
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bobek13 wrote:
Another great one!

If I may ask, how do you calculate these extreme long exposure times? Since after sunset light conditions change quickly - an 15m exposure now can turn into 20m exposure 10m later :-)

Cheers, A.


Experiment
usually, go up in increments... I go up in increments of 1 minute and once you find something you like...then you can go up further or in between the 2 exposures till you're happy.



Feb 04, 2020 at 11:48 AM
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yeah, I figured the answer was there all along... experiment...

thanks...

Sunny Sra wrote:
Experiment
usually, go up in increments... I go up in increments of 1 minute and once you find something you like...then you can go up further or in between the 2 exposures till you're happy.




Feb 04, 2020 at 11:54 AM
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bobek13 wrote:
Another great one!

If I may ask, how do you calculate these extreme long exposure times? Since after sunset light conditions change quickly - a 15m exposure now can turn into 20m exposure 10m later :-)

Cheers, A.


Thank you very much!

It's not a good way to teach others but I actually guess (and rarely miss)! But its much more than that though. The basic methodology is that I will first take a quick test shot of either 1 or 2 minutes. Then after that, I can guess it almost perfectly. Just remember that 1 more stop of light is double the exposure time.

So:

1min becomes 2.
2 min becomes 4.
4 to 8.
8 to 16...

Then at that point, you have pretty much reached your limit because 32 minutes would be too much for the sensor.

So, I take my first exposure with the settings I am going for (low ISO) and usually a sharp f/stop (like f/11 or f/8) then after exposing, I look at the histogram! Based on how far away the data is from the right wall of the histogram I guess how long I need to go next. So, as an example, let's say the data is somewhere up to the middle of the histogram. Well, if I just took a 2-minute shot, I am going to take the next one at, at least, 8 minutes (I want the data close to the right). BUT, as you rightly pointed out light is changing all the time (usually getting darker) as night comes. So actually I might go longer (10-12 minutes?) with the exposure time to make up for the loss of light. When I'm exposing the photo I watch to see what the light is doing. Sometimes it gets dark FAST. Sometimes a lot slower...

On workshops, I usually call out audibles, or several of us do. So I'll do a test and then call out what I think will be the best exposure length (and often settings) and also help others with their settings.

Once in awhile your test shot might be a bit dark (and I absolutely do not recommend basing your image off of your LCD - if you do rely on what the image looks like on your LCD it may look magnificent, but the file will be hideous - rely on the histogram only!). So if my image is quite dark, I usually take one QUICK last test shot (blue hour goes by pretty fast) and maybe open up the aperture by a stop (three clicks is a stop) so f/8 would go to f5.6 and double the 1 minute to 2...

If I did not figure it out on the first test, I always do it by the second try. Most times it takes me one.

Note: I have used plenty of apps over the years, but have found them less reliable.

CRITICAL SECOND NOTE: most people do not know that Adobe Raw Profiles (all of them) can shave off as much as 1-2 stops of highlights! The profiles have been through a pretty heavy S-Curve BEFORE they arrived in the Raw Converter (Lightroom / Camera Raw). This is data that a person can only get back if they create a LINEAR RAW PROFILE. But that is a more complicated subject matter more suited for Robert Park and my "The Ultimate Mastering Fine Art Printmaking Workshop...

Also, another idea is to choose the best f/stop for the land on the first shot (assuming a blend). Then take a variety of different lengths of exposure for the sky... Skies are soft, so any f/stop will work. Sometimes you might be doing it early and need to go to f/22 for the sky, then back to something like f/11 for the land...

Sometimes clouds are moving very fast, and sometimes slow...

That's about all I can tell you sitting at my desk and typing.

I also ENJOY NOT knowing everything beforehand. I even often count manually. But during workshops, this does NOT work. Thus the iPhone...

Have fun and please share your experiments with us all!




Feb 04, 2020 at 12:45 PM
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That's another beautiful shot Mark! Blue hour light can be so lovely and so flattering to the landscape. Thanks for sharing this example and your thought process around exposure calculation.


Feb 04, 2020 at 12:55 PM
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Mark Metternich wrote:
Thank you very much!

It's not a good way to teach others but I actually guess (and rarely miss)! But its much more than that though. The basic methodology is that I will first take a quick test shot of either 1 or 2 minutes. Then after that, I can guess it almost perfectly. Just remember that 1 more stop of light is double the exposure time.

So:

1min becomes 2.
2 min becomes 4.
4 to 8.
8 to 16...

Then at that point, you have pretty much reached your limit because 32 minutes would be too much for the sensor.

So,
...Show more

Hello Mark,
Good teaching for he long exposure. I always look for some mystery myself and 'how long' for the great result that I am happy with is one of the mysteries!
Anyway, I love the scene of this Palouse Falls a lot! Thanks for sharing.
Now I am packing for my 4 weeks travel to Iceland and Scotland. Especially Isle of Harris of Scotland!
-Kee



Feb 04, 2020 at 01:41 PM
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wow! now that was informative! thank you very much for your thorough reply, as much of what you said is known to me as always the devil is in the detail...

I hope I will have something worthy of showing here, until then I'll keep enjoying great work you guys put up here on FM and hopefully learn at the same time... :-)

Greetings from Slovenia

Mark Metternich wrote:
Thank you very much!

It's not a good way to teach others but I actually guess (and rarely miss)! But its much more than that though. The basic methodology is that I will first take a quick test shot of either 1 or 2 minutes. Then after that, I can guess it almost perfectly. Just remember that 1 more stop of light is double the exposure time.

So:

1min becomes 2.
2 min becomes 4.
4 to 8.
8 to 16...

Then at that point, you have pretty much reached your limit because 32 minutes would be too much for the sensor.

So,
...Show more



Feb 04, 2020 at 01:49 PM
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Stunning image and killer knowledge sharing! Always appreciated!


Feb 04, 2020 at 02:50 PM
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Outstanding photographic work


Feb 04, 2020 at 07:03 PM
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very nice image Mark


Feb 04, 2020 at 07:09 PM
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Excellent work, Mark!

Mr.G.



Feb 05, 2020 at 01:29 AM
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What a glorious photo, Mark.
Love the depth in there. The turbulence in the water is so masterfully captured, and then there's the cloud movement that is quite the icing on the cake.
Thanks for sharing your insights in "Details for the more inquisitive" [although I would appreciate more details in there ].
Keep up the good work.



Feb 05, 2020 at 04:12 AM
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Amazing shot Mark !!!


Feb 05, 2020 at 07:07 AM
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Outstanding shot...!!!
Marcelo



Feb 05, 2020 at 11:31 AM
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Nice comp, but exposure is too long IMO. I rather see more detail in the water.

Jack



Feb 05, 2020 at 05:59 PM
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Can you tell us more about the procedure to use s dark frame in camera to reduce noise? How is this done and why does it work?


Feb 06, 2020 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Palouse LONG


Well exposed LE and PP composition.... wonderful work !!


Feb 06, 2020 at 09:06 PM
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Really great shot

I hope one day i will see this place with my own eyes



Feb 07, 2020 at 03:05 AM
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