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p.3 #1 · Lightroom vs Capture One


For me, there’s something in the color rendering in Capture one that I don’t really like, and I feel that, while the highlight recovery is quite good, the shadow recovery feels a bit unnatural most of the time.
Also, when trying to do some split toning, I feel Lightroom results more natural, even if they’re less sophisticated.
The defaults in Lightroom for Sony are pretty bad, but with my profile I’m liking my results better than what I get with CO, and I find the use of presets in Lightroom more enjoyable, a more smooth experience in this regard, and I have tons of presets (created by myself or downloaded).
But for image quality in my opinion, the best for Sony files is dxo photolab. But it’s slower to use than Lightroom, and way slower to process than both Lightroom and capture one, but to my eyes, it’s the easiest to get nice colors out from Sony.

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Jan 02, 2020 at 01:51 PM
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p.3 #2 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I have perpetual licensing, I prefer it that way. I have the Sony version, and don't think I've ever paid more than about $100 for the usually annual major version update. Minor version updates are free. There are 10% discount codes all over the internet, and PhaseOne periodically discounts it for upgrades.

You can find old versions at https://www.captureone.com/en/download/archive including version 11, but I guess you have already upgraded to 12 anyway. But if you need an older version in the future, it should be there.

I actually far prefer the C1 interface functionally, due to customization (even multiple definable workspaces), and non-modality, but interfaces are very much a personal preference kind of thing.

SomtinWong wrote:
for you people who have C1 are you using the subscription version or perpetual license?
I had C1 pro 11 on my pc and upgraded it to Win 10 after having 7 for a long time. i found out 11 was no longer available and i had to upgrade to 12 for a cost of $150. didn't sit too well with me. I liked the output of C1 over Lightroom but disliked the user interface of c1. will probably wait till i get a new pc before i decide what to do.. lightroom is god awful slow on my old
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Jan 02, 2020 at 01:52 PM
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p.3 #3 · Lightroom vs Capture One


Big long-time Lightroom fan here. I tried to like C1 but the workflow never made sense to me and the cataloging is way below the level of LR.


Jan 02, 2020 at 01:54 PM
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p.3 #4 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I've been using both on and off for 10 years now. I don't really care about the catalog features, or advanced editing. I have my own system for dealing with my files & if I need advanced editing I use Photoshop.

C1 is very interesting, the default rendering looks significantly different from LR. It has some sort of automagic color/contrast feature. Oftentimes I find myself loving the default C1 rendering, at the same time it's not really reliable and it's incredibly difficult to fix the image when the algorithm makes a blunder. When I've been a Nikon shooter (8+ years ago) I hated how C1 magnified wilted blades of glass, a perfectly normal green field in July could end up looking like it's dying, C1 consistently reproduced this issue back then. I recently switched to Loxia primes as my main lenses. I never used lenses this contrasty before, C1 with these often produces really unnatural results. A perfectly normal backlit yellow wooden board can appear dark brown in C1. There is just no color accuracy whatsoever, at least not at default settings, however it's magical for portraiture, the skin color rendering is just so great. I always had the impression that C1 is mainly optimized for studio portraiture work.
The free Capture One express is good enough for me alongside PS.

I like LR, because it's reliable, the colors are consistently realistic. Noise reduction/sharpening is much better. For landscapes I would not recommend using Capture One, because it's not producing good sharpness at the pixel level on its own. If by accident Capture One nails the color for a landscape shot I usually just turn off all sharpening / noise reduction, export a TIFF and then sharpen it in LR or PS.
LR reacts to highlight clipping slightly better, the highlight slider is often producing ever so slightly better results over C1. There are also some tools that I hugely prefer in LR (spot removal, cropping, user presets, curves)

Others have mentioned that one is slower than another. With my lossless 24Mpx raw files (50mb ea) the difference is negligible on my PC, fast enough even with thousands of files processed in one sitting. I'm not sure about the exporting speed, I usually leave my PC immediately upon clicking export ..
Many have quit using LR when CC came about, since then I think LR has become significantly more responsive.

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Jan 02, 2020 at 02:32 PM
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p.3 #5 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I am not flexible enough to perform the mental gymnastics required to call a $100/year recurring expense a “perpetual” license.

bdbits wrote:
I have perpetual licensing, I prefer it that way. I have the Sony version, and don't think I've ever paid more than about $100 for the usually annual major version update. Minor version updates are free. There are 10% discount codes all over the internet, and PhaseOne periodically discounts it for upgrades.

You can find old versions at https://www.captureone.com/en/download/archive including version 11, but I guess you have already upgraded to 12 anyway. But if you need an older version in the future, it should be there.

I actually far prefer the C1 interface functionally, due to customization (even multiple definable workspaces),
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Jan 02, 2020 at 02:33 PM
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p.3 #6 · Lightroom vs Capture One


Been using both for ages, LR since the first public beta was released 13 or 14 years ago, C1 since version 3 (which was the first available also for DSLR cameras). For years C1 produced for me sharper images which I liked, however, since a few years LR seemS to have improved significantly an is for me now a tack in front of C1. What I love on C1 is its fully customizable interface which makes it a breeze to built a workflow. LR, however, is overall much more „complete“, has a least for me better DAM functionality and the integration with PS is a big plus.

To be honest, these days both tools are amazing and will not limit the capabilities of the camera. Judge based on which one do you like more or suits your needs better. After all these years of using them both at least I would not want to ditch one for another, so I use them based on image.



Jan 02, 2020 at 02:58 PM
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p.3 #7 · Lightroom vs Capture One


No mental gymnastics required. Subscription means when you stop paying, you no longer have the right to use the software. Perpetual means I can use it until I die.

I don't necessarily upgrade every time a new major version is released. I was merely letting SomtinWong know they generally release a new major version annually. And there is a subscription option if you want to use it.

Whatever floats yer boat, man. I disklike LR, you love it, it's all good. I was merely responding to SomtinWong's inquiry.




Jan 02, 2020 at 03:42 PM
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p.3 #8 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I tried Capture One Express back last spring/summer when my boy got his A6000 for astro. I installed it on his laptop, talked him through all the different things & what they do etc but I just didn't get on with it. After about a month I managed to get him LR5 on there & his first image with that looked better than a month or so with C1

Maybe I was trying to use C1 in the same way as LR? Maybe it was because I tried Express? Maybe it was because I didn't give C1 enough time or effort?

I just know I stuck with LR5



Jan 02, 2020 at 03:43 PM
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p.3 #9 · Lightroom vs Capture One


LR.

Played with C1 a bit but got lazy and stuck with LR.

Always delighted to read articles that suggest the programs are equivalents....



Jan 02, 2020 at 04:47 PM
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p.3 #10 · Lightroom vs Capture One


RoamingScott wrote:
Yep. It’s absurdly bad.

Just turn off sharpening in LR and use texture instead and sharpen in PS and you’ll get similar results with adobe.



The straighten / crop tools in C1 v20 are better than v12, which were indeed poor.



Jan 02, 2020 at 05:12 PM
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p.3 #11 · Lightroom vs Capture One


Although I still have the last perpetual copies of LR/PS6, I'm on the $10/month Adobe plan. For me I was paying about 120 year on upgrades anyway - so this keeps me with Adobe's latest/greatest (classic!).


Jan 02, 2020 at 05:22 PM
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p.3 #12 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I’ve used LE for almost 10 years and made a switch last spring when I heard Apple will drop support for 32bit apps which includes standalone LR. There were learning curves but I definitely feel C1 is more powerful with layers and all the color management features.

I just upgraded to C1 20 since my previous version was only for Sony cameras. I’m pleasantly surprised they have addressed my 2 main complains. Noise reduction is powerful and easy to use and new HDR section made quick edit and export that I used to do with LR possible. At this point, I’m pretty much set with my postprocessing solution and plan on stick with this version like I did with LR6.



Jan 02, 2020 at 05:25 PM
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p.3 #13 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I've used Bridge/Camera RAW/Photoshop since 1998. I'm still using the DAM protocol I set up way back then, which is simple and fast. By comparison, Lightroom has always seemed like a giant unreliable complication to me.

Over the years, I have purchased several versions of C1 (and DxO), but have not found them compelling enough to abandon Adobe's SmartObject feature. I love the fact Camera RAW can process RAW directly into a Smart Object which can be infinitely re-edited, and that other SmartFilters (Nik, Topaz, etc) re-apply automatically to the edits. I wish C1 and DxO would add that capability, I'd buy them immediately!



Jan 02, 2020 at 05:45 PM
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p.3 #14 · Lightroom vs Capture One


Does C1 20 support stitching multiple pics into panos or HDR merging?

Does C1 20 have an edit history yet?

Does C1 20 allow you to automatically export to a subfolder of the source folder yet without defining the path every time?



Jan 02, 2020 at 06:17 PM
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p.3 #15 · Lightroom vs Capture One


RoamingScott wrote:
Does C1 20 support stitching multiple pics into panos or HDR merging?


Only with 3rd party integration, which is available.


Does C1 20 have an edit history yet?


There's no real concept of history, since edits aren't applied until export.


Does C1 20 allow you to automatically export to a subfolder of the source folder yet without defining the path every time?


Yes, been there for ages, if your export recipe file tab Root Folder is set to Image Folder, it will automatically export to the subfolder of the source folder defined in either the recipe or the Output location, depending on your exact selection of options.

Heck, you can export to multiple different folder locations in one go, in both the source path and any arbitrary path all depending on your recipe selection.



Jan 02, 2020 at 06:54 PM
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p.3 #16 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I tried C1 for a few weeks. Liked it. But not enough, or, rather, more enough than Lightroom + Photoshop to switch.

Basically, I think that:

(1) Lightroom + Photoshop together, as well as the rich world of plugins) are superior in all respects to C1 alone. DAM, image editing power, but ease of use, workflow etc.

(2) Lightroom + Photoshop together (without plugins), are equal in most respects to C1 alone, but Lightroom's DAM is unmatched and C1 probably makes some things easier to get to quicker (e.g., the microconstrast structure enhancement).

(3) C1 is superior in all respects to Lightroom alone for workflow except DAM.

Basically, if you want one-tool-to-them-all, then C1 is your thing. For the same money though you can get LR+PS, and then it's a wash. Add in the plugins (in particular, the TK panels and the color/luminosity masks tools as well as Topaz etc.), then I really do think LR+PS have the edge.

I am, of course, biased.

Not so much because of prejudice or fan-boism, or any love/hate for either company or their tools, but because of the massive sunken cost in learned skill, experience, conditioned intuition, etc. in the LR+PS ecosystem, including hours of tutorials and workshops. Further, some of the best photographers I know have used LR+PS for decades, and share their wisdom through these frameworks. All of this makes the activation energy cost to break out of the LR+PS ecosystem very high. And as the net payoff is pretty much zero, then ....

As for the subscription model --- I love it. Rolling updates have been great and frequent and have paid off the investment to my economic and productivity benefit many-fold. The features coming in with these updates have been truly remarkable, that in the oh-so-pre-2000's passe "buy-to-pseudo-own, pay-to-update" model would have easily constituted several "major" version updates.





Jan 02, 2020 at 06:54 PM
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p.3 #17 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I use C1.

I was an Aperture user, but when Apple stopped updating it I moved to LR. I tried for several years to get used to it, but I never liked its UI (or almost any Adobe product's UI, for that matter). C1's interface makes a lot more sense to me, and is very customizable to boot.

In terms of functionality, they're both very capable. I think C1's color controls are better, and it has a layer system that I think works much better than LR's adjustment brushes. On the other hand, LR has a much better print module and does some stuff like basic multi-exposure HDR and panoramas that C1 doesn't do.

However, I would say that the past two updates for C1 have been quite underwhelming (to me at least). With the exception of luminosity masking, the updates were very incremental. I don't get the feeling of a dynamic development team with ambitious plans. So if C1 doesn't do what you need now, I'm not sure what the odds of improvement are. Still, I skipped the v11 to 12 update, and only did the v20 update because I bought a new camera. The perpetual license lets me do that.



Jan 02, 2020 at 06:59 PM
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p.3 #18 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I've used C1 for a few years now, but have spent the afternoon experiencing persistent crashes of v.20 with Mac Catalina. My loyalty is on a knife edge. I could start 2020 by subscribing to Lightroom/ Adobe.




Jan 02, 2020 at 08:31 PM
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p.3 #19 · Lightroom vs Capture One


Both, but C1's strictly for my Leaf back as Adobe doesn't support its RAW files. I can get what I want out of either, but I'd rather use LR.


Jan 02, 2020 at 09:44 PM
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p.3 #20 · Lightroom vs Capture One


I have both, but haven't upgrade C1 to 20 from 12 yet since I mainly use LR and seems a bit expensive to upgrade so frequently for a tool I don't use quite often (I have purchase a style pack too, and the UI is so disappointing and haven't really used it).

Both are good but the look is quite different and it's hard to mimic each other. C1 default seems more punchy but sometimes a bit harsh, and so far I *feel* that LR seems doesn't handle A7Rm4 files very well..

For me it's hard to dropped LR because
1. LR has much better dust/spot removal (C1 spot removal is just bad)
2. no tools to do timelapse with C1(I have LRTimelapse, can't find equivalent for C1, although I don't do that very often since that's very time consuming)
3. LR better than C1 as DAM tool (that's subjective)
4. LR can do Pano and HDR (I have Autopano but the company is now dead.. not sure if I want to buy another dedicated Pano software)

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