***This is an image from their site...I do not own the lens*** (yet)
If this can deliver quality shots... I think it's going to be a hit with macro shooters. Please pull the post if this has been discussed. I did a search for the lens and nothing showed.
"The closest working distance at 5x magnification is 3.93” (10cm) and 10.7” (27.2cm) at 1x magnification"
About double the working distance of the MPE-65 at 5x and half the price. Not to mention...it opens up the 1x-5x world to most camera manufacturers.
p.1 #2 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
Interesting.
My immediate response:
$100 more than the Laowa and nearly twice the weight. The working distance at x5 is twice that of the Laowa but its tip diameter is nearly 50% wider.
I find that the depth perspective of the 25mm is better for most of my subjects in the magnification range than that of my other lenses with longer FL. This applies equally to my Photar 25mm.
The f32 is superfluous. I rarely use f16.
The filter ring, absent on the Laowa, might be useful but mainly for a filter for protection.
I have never used a tripod mount for a macro lens largely because I don't use a tripod. .
You may want to cross-post to the Alternative Gear & Lenses forum.
I can't find any review which dos not just quote the information in the link.
p.1 #3 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
e6filmuser wrote:
Interesting.
My immediate response:
$100 more than the Laowa and nearly twice the weight. The working distance at x5 is twice that of the Laowa but its tip diameter is nearly 50% wider.
I find that the depth perspective of the 25mm is better for most of my subjects in the magnification range than that of my other lenses with longer FL. This applies equally to my Photar 25mm.
The f32 is superfluous. I rarely use f16.
The filter ring, absent on the Laowa, might be useful but mainly for a filter for protection.
I have never used a tripod mount for a macro lens largely because I don't use a tripod. .
You may want to cross-post to the Alternative Gear & Lenses forum.
I can't find any review which dos not just quote the information in the link.
p.1 #4 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
hatch1921 wrote:
Thanks for the information I didn't know Laowa had a 2-5x lens... interesting! I'll jump over in to the Alt lens section and dig around.
Have a fun day.
Frank
You can either have a fun day in Alt Gear or click here:
p.1 #6 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
I missed the obvious:
It is a manual diaphragm*, not relying on Canon camera electronics but losing full aperture framing and focus. Not only is the Canon more expensive but, where available for bodies, adapters for non-Canon cameras are very expensive.
* 9 blades, Laowa 8.
Had the Laowa not become available I would probably have bought this lens, providing the quality of images was as good as claimed.
p.1 #8 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
hatch1921 wrote:
No sure... I'm very tempted to push the "buy" button and give this one a try
Hatch
Hatch,
It's an odd time of the year to buy a macro lens. I mean, the frustration of a shortage of worthwhile subjects. Personally, I would be watching out for some proper reviews.
p.1 #10 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
I just received my lens yesterday. I've had little time to play with it, but tried it out with a couple of easy targets. The first is 5x on a Sony A9 of the head of a loon on our $1 coin. The second is a shot of 3x of USB-C plug. About ten images stacked at f4 with Helicon. The screw-on USB powered LED ring light is pretty bright. I'll post more when I get a chance.
p.1 #11 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
Interesting lens Hatch. Not sure if the increase in working distance is a good thing or not, since the size of the diffuser is relative to the subject (the closer the diffuser to the subject the better the diffusion).
p.1 #12 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
I recently read a review of this lens somewhere, I'll have a look see if I can find it.
Apparently it's a revised design as the 1st version had a fundamental design problem that no one spotted. The Ver. 2 is pretty good but as John says, the bigger WD is actually a bad thing at 5x.
I have the Laowa 100mm f2.8 1-2x and the 25mm 2.5-5x but haven't really used the 25mm yet.
I had to read the second review twice. Although the author is talking about using the Mitutoyo lens on a tube lens, there is a chunk of explanation missing for the uninitiated.
A comparison of one copy of each lens overlooked the likely sample variation. There could be enough to change the order of observed performance.
p.1 #15 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
The review was done before it became apparent that it had a fundamental design flaw that was for some reason missed in the QC/review stage. It genuinely was that bad and withdrawn from market.
All the copies for sale now are the Mk II version with the design flaw rectified. The review I was actually thinking of compared the Mk I with the Mk II but I couldn't find that one.
p.1 #16 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
Dalantech wrote:
Interesting lens Hatch. Not sure if the increase in working distance is a good thing or not, since the size of the diffuser is relative to the subject (the closer the diffuser to the subject the better the diffusion).
Rarely is an increase in working distance a bad thing?
Why would the subject to diffuser distance change? Are you talking about using on-camera flash?
p.1 #17 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
snowblind-2 wrote:
Rarely is an increase in working distance a bad thing?Matt
It is due to the apparent light size principle. Since you need to get the flash/diffuser close to the subject to get better diffusion and to keep the flash duration to a minimum (easier to freeze motion) the increase in working distance works against you.
For natural light work I agree with you, you want as much working distance as possible. But when the mag goes above 1x most of the macro shooters I know are using a flash.
snowblind-2 wrote:
Why would the subject to diffuser distance change? Are you talking about using on-camera flash?
Matt
It would change when comparing the working distance to other macro lenses. I use the Canon MT-26EX RT and one of the benefits of using a flash that's mounted to the end of the lens is that as the mag goes up the working distance drops. Here's an example of my worse case lighting, since this is a 1x shot and the flash is as far away from the subject as it can get with the Canon MP-E 65mm.
FWIW: Both of those images where taken in the heat of the day, when the dragonfly was hyperactive. I know that species really well, so it's pretty easy for me to get close to them. " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This video is potato quality -got robbed by the wind on the mic. But watch it until the end and you'll see what I mean.
p.1 #18 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
Dalantech wrote:
It is due to the apparent light size principle. Since you need to get the flash/diffuser close to the subject to get better diffusion and to keep the flash duration to a minimum (easier to freeze motion) the increase in working distance works against you.
Understood. I was not considering field use.
Dalantech wrote:
For natural light work I agree with you, you want as much working distance as possible. But when the mag goes above 1x most of the macro shooters I know are using a flash.
Yes. But going beyond 1X with subject movement is a whole different challenge. With the flash duration needs it's like action photography compared to normal photography.
snowblind-2 wrote:
Why would the subject to diffuser distance change? Are you talking about using on-camera flash?
Matt
Dalantech wrote:
It would change when comparing the working distance to other macro lenses. I use the Canon MT-26EX RT and one of the benefits of using a flash that's mounted to the end of the lens is that as the mag goes up the working distance drops. Here's an example of my worse case lighting, since this is a 1x shot and the flash is as far away from the subject as it can get with the Canon MP-E 65mm.
My experience with the MPE65 is that the focus is closer at 1X than at 5X. But I understand what you're saying.
Shooting in the studio, with off-camera studio strobes and modifiers, apparent light size is not an issue but closer working distances that lead to camera/lens shadows are. In these situations I find that the Canon 180mm macro eliminates the shadows and also provides increased Depth of Field due to the increased distance to subject.
For your live dragonfly shots with camera/lens mounted flash is definitely working well. If it was something more skittish than a dragonfly that working distance might not work. So many things to consider in the world of macro. :-)
p.1 #19 · Mitakon Creator 85mm f/2.8 1-5X Super Macro
snowblind-2 wrote:
...In these situations I find that the Canon 180mm macro eliminates the shadows and also provides increased Depth of Field due to the increased distance to subject.
Matt
Depth of field is a function of magnification and Fstop. A 60mm lens will give you the same depth of field as a 180mm lens at the same Fstop and mag.
IMHO eliminating shadows is not optimal. We gauge depth by the shadows and what's in and out of focus. That's why evenly lit focus stacked images look flat.
