What would prevent them from doing now? I doubt the current agreement prevents them from investing in whatever technologies they want. Regardless, they certainly understand they have fallen behind by now. Should be interesting in the next few years
How much do you guys believe the rumors that Canon will release a 1dx mkiii alongside a Mirrorless version of the same camera with Rf mount ?
I’ve never heard of a company doing such a thing
speedmaster20d wrote:
my only complaint with the EOS-1D X MK II was the stability of the AI servo AF for my application and the only area it needed improvement, It would be interesting to see if they can bring it up to the D5 level.
But would you go back? If a 1DXIII truly matched the D5, I'd go back just for the 2xTC performance alone.....but hard to leave the 500PF....
arbitrage wrote:
But would you go back? If a 1DXIII truly matched the D5, I'd go back just for the 2xTC performance alone.....but hard to leave the 500PF....
It doesn't make sense for me. The D850 makes up for the 2X and overall it's tough to pull action shots at 1200mm because of the narrow FOV, I have done it with Canon but many stars have to align to get a quality keeper. If the bird is that far usually means the location isn't ideal for photography. What is really nice about Canon system now is the light 600 III, it's a pity the AF cannot quite back it up for bird photographers.
ggreene wrote:
That's a scary corporate philosophy if that really is the reason why they aren't moving forward faster on AF tech. They are already behind the D5/A9 and now they will get further behind the D6/A9II because of a fear of one person losing face? Wow.
Don't underestimate the politics in big companies. Unfortunately, Canon is a company with a strong hierarchy and sometimes bureaucratic way of working (I've also heard this from people who have worked for Canon Europe HQ, not too far from my place here in the Netherlands). So they might be a bit slow in catching up with the accelerated technological advancements in mirrorless of the past few years and maybe have been caught by surprise.
On the other hand, the 'break' in the trend and the more sudden move to mirrorless might be just the thing Canon needed to wake up and give the company a bit of a much needed shake.
J.Marcus Photo wrote:
How much do you guys believe the rumors that Canon will release a 1dx mkiii alongside a Mirrorless version of the same camera with Rf mount ?
I’ve never heard of a company doing such a thing
Well, it's a bit of a unique situation. Canon is currently still on two paths, whereas a company like Sony has ditched dslr a long time ago and can move full speed ahead in mirrorless. Canon has to split up their resources between legacy and future tech. I could imagine this isn't a very ideal situation.
Timkr wrote:
What would prevent them from doing now? I doubt the current agreement prevents them from investing in whatever technologies they want. Regardless, they certainly understand they have fallen behind by now. Should be interesting in the next few years
My post is to show that you cannot believe almost anything you read on the web, even if the material comes from somebody related to Canon in some way.
J.Marcus Photo wrote:
How much do you guys believe the rumors that Canon will release a 1dx mkiii alongside a Mirrorless version of the same camera with Rf mount ?
I’ve never heard of a company doing such a thing
If true, their relative sales numbers would be very interesting to watch.
Would that just be an rf mount body with an adapter that has a mirror? I’ve heard that Pellicle term before but have no idea what it is.
I know the la ea adapter I had for Sony was awful, of course that was early Sony tech.
anselwannab wrote:
I wonder if we’ll see a pellicle mirror version as a bridge between a pro EF and a Pro RF.
Happy with my 1dxii. More interested in what high end EF glass will go for. Maybe not FD prices, but a nice 300/2.8II would be nice.
* 28mpix
* up to 30 fps for stills (obviously assuming the LV use)
* IBIS
* Larger LCD
Those rumored specifications actually look realistic. It will be interesting to see how the AF tracking speed relates to 30 fps.
BTW, I am already satisfied with the sensor technology Canon has shown in the 90D, I want that in a full frame camera. Noise and dynamic range will be similar to Sony A7r IV, but the resolution will be higher. In my book Canon will then again take the lead in FF image quality.
Totally agree. The 90D shows that Canon has finally achieved "competitive" sensor technology, and aside from the 1DX3, I think we can expect an 83 MP, ML replacement for the 5DS/r which may have an APS-C option to rival the 90D, and also, eventually, a Pro-level" 32MB APS-C body to replace the 7D2.
alundeb wrote:
Those rumored specifications actually look realistic. It will be interesting to see how the AF tracking speed relates to 30 fps.
BTW, I am already satisfied with the sensor technology Canon has shown in the 90D, I want that in a full frame camera. Noise and dynamic range will be similar to Sony A7r IV, but the resolution will be higher. In my book Canon will then again take the lead in FF image quality.
I don't think this is anywhere near the technology of A9II, because it doesn't look like a stacked BSI sensor with all the extremely fast on-sensor processing possibilities and bandwidth advantages, as would be required for a ML version. This doesn't mean of course that such a 1DX3 would be inferior, only that Canon isn't ready to compete directly with the A9II in a high end mirrorless camera and decided to compete with a DSLR instead.
Also 30 fps still shooting for sure isn't going to happen with the mirror flipping up and down, so I wonder what (severe) limitations apply to this spec. Looks to me like they don't have the tech to provide 30 fps AF with the mirror up ...
As to resolution: they still don't have a current "action body" with fast and capable AF that provides the high pixel density that is competitive for nature/wildlife (at least 20-24MP on APS-C, so on FF 40-50MP needed).
technic wrote:
I don't think this is anywhere near the technology of A9II, because it doesn't look like a stacked BSI sensor with all the extremely fast on-sensor processing possibilities and bandwidth advantages, as would be required for a ML version. This doesn't mean of course that such a 1DX3 would be inferior, only that Canon isn't ready to compete directly with the A9II in a high end mirrorless camera and decided to compete with a DSLR instead.
Also 30 fps still shooting for sure isn't going to happen with the mirror flipping up and down, so I wonder what (severe) limitations apply to this spec. Looks to me like they don't have the tech to provide 30 fps AF with the mirror up ...
As to resolution: they still don't have a current "action body" with fast and capable AF that provides the high pixel density that is competitive for nature/wildlife (at least 20-24MP on APS-C, so on FF 40-50MP needed). ...Show more →
technic wrote:
I don't think this is anywhere near the technology of A9II, because it doesn't look like a stacked BSI sensor with all the extremely fast on-sensor processing possibilities and bandwidth advantages, as would be required for a ML version. This doesn't mean of course that such a 1DX3 would be inferior, only that Canon isn't ready to compete directly with the A9II in a high end mirrorless camera and decided to compete with a DSLR instead.
Also 30 fps still shooting for sure isn't going to happen with the mirror flipping up and down, so I wonder what (severe) limitations apply to this spec. Looks to me like they don't have the tech to provide 30 fps AF with the mirror up ...
As to resolution: they still don't have a current "action body" with fast and capable AF that provides the high pixel density that is competitive for nature/wildlife (at least 20-24MP on APS-C, so on FF 40-50MP needed). ...Show more →
The 30 fps burst mode of the M6II is actually with AF tracking (although with other limitations). It is not only about having the stacked BSI tech, but how to utilize what you have. I don't think either that Canon will get to the "A9 experience" with blackout free shooting this time around, but is that required to be competitive?
alundeb wrote:
The 30 fps burst mode of the M6II is actually with AF tracking (although with other limitations). It is not only about having the stacked BSI tech, but how to utilize what you have. I don't think either that Canon will get to the "A9 experience" with blackout free shooting this time around, but is that required to be competitive?
I guess M6II type capabilities is not what the typical 1DX3 customer is expecting when the camera is advertised as "30 fps" (which remains to be seen ...). For sure AF and viewfinder performance at 30 fps will be a lot less capable than what A9/A9II can do at 20 fps. Maybe users accept such limitations for short bursts if there is no other alternative, and if the 1DX3 has some advantage over A9/A9II at lower framerate (like 10-12 fps).
* 28mpix
* up to 30 fps for stills (obviously assuming the LV use)
* IBIS
* Larger LCD
There is no way that 30FPS is with the mirror and OVF. Therefore it is basically a non-feature as using LV for action via a rear screen is very difficult.
IBIS? What happened to Canon's ongoing claims that lens IS is best? I guess for video it will be helpful and of course those lenses without IS.
28MP would be a nice bump up...I was hoping for the 30MP 5D4 sensor as I like that sensor but maybe this 28 one will be even better with only 2MP less. 20-28 would be the largest bump in history.
But not sure how any of those rumored specs have anything to do with Canon having or not having sensor technology??
If it has best-in-class AF and 28MP I’ll pre-order it as soon as they go live. 30FPS would either have to be with focus locked or the camera would have to have a hybrid viewfinder, neither of which would be particularly useful but if they can bump the continuous shooting with tracking by a few frames that obviously would be welcome. 28MP would be a perfect all around resolution for me, I have no reason to ever need more than that with software like Gigapixel AI now.
