Milan Hutera wrote:
The rumor says significant resolution jump and I don't think moving from 20 to 24 is significant.
Have you worked with 4K video, let alone 6K video in the field? Not to mention the shutter speed for 30p is merely 1/60? Frame grab is a no go for any sort of action shooting that requires superfast delivery, buttery smooth bokeh and frozen action.
yes I know the limitations but for 90% of what photography is used for these days (social media/web) it's working for many photographers.
artsupreme wrote:
yes I know the limitations but for 90% of what photography is used for these days (social media/web) it's working for many photographers.
I'm guessing one wouldn't buy a 6000USD/EUR body for social media/web either.
I haven't followed the actual rumors for the 1DX3, but if you look at the recent thread on the rumors of an 83 mp ff sensor, I was kind of surprised because I don't think a single person (afaik, not that I followed the thread exhaustively) mentioned the 20.75 mp sensor in the patent mentioned on the rumor site.
AmbientMike wrote:
I haven't followed the actual rumors for the 1DX3, but if you look at the recent thread on the rumors of an 83 mp ff sensor, I was kind of surprised because I don't think a single person (afaik, not that I followed the thread exhaustively) mentioned the 20.75 mp sensor in the patent mentioned on the rumor site.
It is already quite widely reported that 1DXIII is in the stage of field testing and has been for a while now. That's where all the rumor leaks probably come from. Designated testers just have to throw a wink or a bone from time to time in order to keep the talk going. And 20.75 mp is virtually the same number of pixels the 1DXII has. So it would have to offer considerably more in terms of high ISO or other capabilities for Canon to stick with the same resolution. And of course 20 mp doesn't have enough horizontal pixels for 6K video.
Milan Hutera wrote:
It is already quite widely reported that 1DXIII is in the stage of field testing and has been for a while now. That's where all the rumor leaks probably come from. Designated testers just have to throw a wink or a bone from time to time in order to keep the talk going. And 20.75 mp is virtually the same number of pixels the 1DXII has. So it would have to offer considerably more in terms of high ISO or other capabilities for Canon to stick with the same resolution. And of course 20 mp doesn't have enough horizontal pixels for 6K video. ...Show more →
What is the target market for 6K video and what is its projected growth for the next 5 years?
Most people don't even get full benefit of 4K video, without viewing it from less than 7-8 feet away (depending on the screen size, of course). 1080P is still pretty useful in a majority of uses.
But again, what is the market for 6K video?
Cropping? Slightly higher resolution frame grabs?
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it being very useful. Especially in an action-sports body.
30-35mp, a touch better ISO to off set the resolution increase, dual matching cards and I might be in. Frame rate is high enough for me. If they could drop a little weight without sacrificing build quality, that would be much welcomed. Don't really care about the video part.
Also depends on the price. I can see Canon finally loading up a DSLR with what we want knowing it's the last of the mirrored and asking a fortune for it.
Milan Hutera wrote:
It is already quite widely reported that 1DXIII is in the stage of field testing and has been for a while now. That's where all the rumor leaks probably come from. Designated testers just have to throw a wink or a bone from time to time in order to keep the talk going. And 20.75 mp is virtually the same number of pixels the 1DXII has. So it would have to offer considerably more in terms of high ISO or other capabilities for Canon to stick with the same resolution. And of course 20 mp doesn't have enough horizontal pixels for 6K video. ...Show more →
I suppose it's good marketing to leak a few details occasionally. 24mp isn't really a big jump from 20mp, either, and the competition has 20mp, but if it's already in field testing then maybe not. This is the first I'd heard of 6K video, does the 1Dx3 have it, supposedly? Heard of 4K & 8K.
cameron12x wrote:
What is the target market for 6K video and what is its projected growth for the next 5 years?
Most people don't even get full benefit of 4K video, without viewing it from less than 7-8 feet away (depending on the screen size, of course). 1080P is still pretty useful in a majority of uses.
But again, what is the market for 6K video?
Cropping? Slightly higher resolution frame grabs?
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it being very useful. Especially in an action-sports body.
Again, 1DXII already does DCI 4K 60p. How do you improve upon that? Second, it has been reported several years ago the upcoming 2020 Olympics will be shot and broadcasted in 8K. Granted, the adoption outside of Japan is probably very low at this point.
Milan Hutera wrote:
I'm guessing one wouldn't buy a 6000USD/EUR body for social media/web either.
Yes, several of the world's top surf photographers are using it for this. Frame grabs from the fisheye + water housing are paying the bills. All the content gets posted to the web and social media.
Milan Hutera wrote:
Again, 1DXII already does DCI 4K 60p. How do you improve upon that? Second, it has been reported several years ago the upcoming 2020 Olympics will be shot and broadcasted in 8K. Granted, the adoption outside of Japan is probably very low at this point.
I'm not questioning what the 1DX II already does or how it can be improved. (I wonder how many professionals or serious hobbyists actually use it to shoot 4K video, though.)
But 8K video broadcasting in 2020?
I don't know about the rest of the world, but adoption in America is well less than 1% and will remain that way for quite awhile.
Anything less than 28MP and I'd have no interest. I'm expecting 24MP realistically.
I passed on the 1DX II because of the low resolution.
I had 21MP in 2007 in a 1D body and progress is ridiculously slow.
It's just awful that they never put the 5D IV sensor in a pro body.
EB-1 wrote:
Anything less than 28MP and I'd have no interest. I'm expecting 24MP realistically.
I passed on the 1DX II because of the low resolution.
I had 21MP in 2007 in a 1D body and progress is ridiculously slow.
It's just awful that they never put the 5D IV sensor in a pro body.
EBH
Maybe that’s what they’re doing, having waited to develop sufficient processing power? FWIW I’d love a 5dmkiv which could af.
Some video shooters shoot in 4K and then they can crop down to 1080P.
these are mainly in the wedding world.
i can ask my brother who does all the video creation content for a large pharmaceutical company. see what he is hearing.
I know he switched over to Davinci resolve for his editing. (good-bye to adobe)
He works in 6K and 8K for some of the content creation.
I can see the 1Dxxx being a 30mg (+/- a mg or two) chip.
Canon has had time to play with the silicone and associated electronic for some time.
C.R. mentioned a new digit processor.
Not sure why the love for eye control af.
especially when it is full speed ahead with face/eye detect software built into the camera.
items like heat dissipation, data stream through the camera and overall electrical requirements will be at the top of the list of challenges.
would be cool if the 1Dxxx is a mirrorless..... beast.
Not that i would jump to grab one. no need in event shooting. well ... weddings anyway.
armd wrote:
Maybe that’s what they’re doing, having waited to develop sufficient processing power? FWIW I’d love a 5dmkiv which could af.
Yes, back when I was more ingrained into Canon, that was my wish for the 1DXIII....5D4 sensor and proper AF. It certainly could be what they end up doing. The 5D4 sensor was a really good one....but the AF was only so so.
Dragonfire wrote:
Canon's problem for me is not AF acquisition, it just can NOT track the subject across the frame the way Morris's Fuji and Geoff's A9 seem to consistently do.
Add Nikon to that list too. Even my D500 has overall better AF than the 1DX and tracks better against bust backgrounds and seems more stable in long bursts. All these cameras have great AF, but when you’re pushing the limits IMO Canon does not do as well as Nikon or Sony from my experience and it seems many others that have made the swap. I truly hope the 1DXIII also gets a major AF overhaul as Canon has gone from easily the class leader to trailing. I hope we don’t just see a further tweak of the 1DX system with updated tracking algorithms. Also Canon needs to have much better 3D tracking. I hope they can pull that off and have a decent resolution bump, but I’d be surprised if they could or would even want to go beyond 24MP. With the A9II rumours getting stronger about a new 36MP sensor I’m certain what my next upgrade will be.
The current AF system of Canon dslr's has been existing for a long time. Apparently the guy behind it is a company legend. The next iterations of dslr's won't use a totally new system for the traditional way dslr's focus. Rather, it will be an evolution. One reason could simply be that they have too much respect for the dude who designed the AF and don't want him to lose 'face'.
So don't expect miracles there; the real gain is in the on-sensor focussing systems mirrorless camera's employ (and also dslr's in live view mode of course). So my guess is in this regard, the 1DX III won't get that AF overhaul. The next big step in AF for the flagship model will come in a mirrorless form.
my only complaint with the EOS-1D X MK II was the stability of the AI servo AF for my application and the only area it needed improvement, It would be interesting to see if they can bring it up to the D5 level.
evertdoorn wrote:
The current AF system of Canon dslr's has been existing for a long time. Apparently the guy behind it is a company legend. The next iterations of dslr's won't use a totally new system for the traditional way dslr's focus. Rather, it will be an evolution. One reason could simply be that they have too much respect for the dude who designed the AF and don't want him to lose 'face'.
That's a scary corporate philosophy if that really is the reason why they aren't moving forward faster on AF tech. They are already behind the D5/A9 and now they will get further behind the D6/A9II because of a fear of one person losing face? Wow.
I heard that the reason Canon AF isn't making huge strides forward is because Elon Musk is using the same system for safety/proximity/distance sensors and helped fund much of the technology back in 2005 ffor his 2008 launch. The agreement ends at the end of this year, freeing Canon up to completely divorce themselves from that system, so they will create a hybrid AF system through the OVF which will be pretty astounding, and will herald the age of 6 more DSLRs, before they incorporate parts of this new system into the mirrorless.
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