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Timkr wrote:
Huh, every review I saw claimed A9 AF. I guess I’ll wait for the real reviews. It’s shipping in Europe so, will know soon


Can you share those reviews with us? They are most likely INCORRECT.

The A7R4 is positioned as a portrait/landscape/general purpose imaging platform. The A9 series is positioned as sports/action imaging platform. Different focusing requirements for each platform.

It would make very little sense that they would share the same focusing system. Otherwise, we'd see the 1DX II focusing system in a body like the 5D4. Again, different requirements entirely.

Vendors also like to differentiate and segment the marketplace in order to sell more bodies and maximize profits.




Aug 24, 2019 at 09:23 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
Shall we go to Sony board and discuss Canon cameras there?


Yeah, that would go over like a fart in church wouldn't it.



Aug 24, 2019 at 02:21 PM
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Canon's problem for me is not AF acquisition, it just can NOT track the subject across the frame the way Morris's Fuji and Geoff's A9 seem to consistently do.

Morris's Black Skimmer Fishing Run - https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1608387/0#14940972 and Yellow Crowned Night Heron Liftoff - https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1604275/0#14909323 are tracking sequences that I RARELY see from the 1D .

Canon needs that AF capability.



Aug 25, 2019 at 02:33 PM
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Morris' own review on the 1DXII
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2016/08/20/point-arash-hazeghi-eos-1dx-mark-ii-field-review-with-eight-great-images/

Morris' own words...

What I noticed immediately was the consistency and the stability of the AI servo tracking. I have many sequences of 30+ in-flight frames that are all tack sharp. It almost feels too easy capturing the ideal frame with the EOS-1D X Mark II.


So perhaps people just don't post sequences, I don't find sequences very interesting anyways myself, but don't assume that because you don't see them, they aren't out there.



Aug 25, 2019 at 02:55 PM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Morris' own review on the 1DXII
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2016/08/20/point-arash-hazeghi-eos-1dx-mark-ii-field-review-with-eight-great-images/

Morris' own words...

So perhaps people just don't post sequences, I don't find sequences very interesting anyways myself, but don't assume that because you don't see them, they aren't out there.



"Knowing of..." and Knowing are two completely different things

"Knowing of..." and Knowing are two completely different things

"Knowing of..." and Knowing are two completely different things


Art Morris, the person you have quoted has been accused of changing camps for financial reasons.

Morris, one of FM's prolific Nature and Wildlife posters to which I link recently switched from the Nikon D500 and Sigma 150-600 for weight reasons to Fuji and his results are telling.

Maybe you should read my book at www.lettersfromfrank.com so you really know.



BTW - Speedmaster 20D now shoots a Nikon D850 - https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1610224 and a D5 -https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1607836/0#14936208 and I KNOW he is the same man that wrote the Art Morris' review to which you refer. He must have gotten tired of too many great photographs and decided to do Nikon a favor.



Aug 25, 2019 at 03:25 PM
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Well I think one Morris cancels out the other then.

If one cannot get a sequence to work on the 1dx series, either the copy is bad, the lens is bad, or the shooter is bad, the general 1dx series is not the issue. I have seen entirely too many birders praise the 1dx series. Also regardless of what Art did or didn't do with paid manufacturing deals, it doesn't negate his results, just his gear recommendations.

Now if you want to say there is even better gear out there, we can agree.



Aug 25, 2019 at 10:26 PM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Now if you want to say there is even better gear out there, we can agree.


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Aug 26, 2019 at 05:13 AM
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So Nikon just "announced" the D6, without giving any sort of specs, which doesn't shed any more light on Canon 1DxIII as they are very close in the main areas.

On a more interesting note, they also announced a 120-300 f2.8 zoom. I have been wanting a first party zoom like this for ages. Given that Canon didn't update 300 f2.8 II yet suggests they might be working on something like this too. BUT, both Nikon and Canon primes are around 6000 EUR/USD, so the zoom will easily be around 9000 EUR/USD. I will be very surprised if Nikon (or Canon) version will be less than that.



Sep 04, 2019 at 02:20 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
On a more interesting note, they also announced a 120-300 f2.8 zoom. I have been wanting a first party zoom like this for ages. Given that Canon didn't update 300 f2.8 II yet suggests they might be working on something like this too. BUT, both Nikon and Canon primes are around 6000 EUR/USD, so the zoom will easily be around 9000 EUR/USD. I will be very surprised if Nikon (or Canon) version will be less than that.


I would definitely be way more interested in a 120-300 then a 300 prime. For sports it offers so much more versatility. I hate being locked into the 300 FOV and having to quickly switch body/lens to go wider. I would pay the premium for the zoom.



Sep 04, 2019 at 07:38 AM
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I would definitely be way more interested in a 120-300 then a 300 prime. For sports it offers so much more versatility. I hate being locked into the 300 FOV and having to quickly switch body/lens to go wider. I would pay the premium for the zoom.


No question about the versatility. It would be awesome to have. That's why I looked long and hard in 2015 at the then rather new Sigma 120-300 Sport. Basically, there were two types of reviews. The ones that were praising the lens had poor photos to show for. And those who had some reservations about the lens had visually nice photos, but if they provided a 100% crop, the sharpness was disappointing (to me at least). And that was with the very latest version, that is supposed to be the sharpest with best AF of many iterations of Sigma. Yes, they do it fo approx. 3000 EUR, but that's still a lot of money to pay for a lens that might or might not perform good when it comes to AF and sharpness.

Now that Nikon showed their hand, I really believe Canon will release a lens like this as well. Maybe even extend the range to 100-300mm. Given how things have been for a while now, I definitely won't be able to afford it though.



Sep 04, 2019 at 07:47 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
So Nikon just "announced" the D6, without giving any sort of specs, which doesn't shed any more light on Canon 1DxIII as they are very close in the main areas.

On a more interesting note, they also announced a 120-300 f2.8 zoom. I have been wanting a first party zoom like this for ages. Given that Canon didn't update 300 f2.8 II yet suggests they might be working on something like this too. BUT, both Nikon and Canon primes are around 6000 EUR/USD, so the zoom will easily be around 9000 EUR/USD. I will be very surprised if Nikon
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That lens surprised me the most: an entirely new lens in a mount that’s going to disappear. Either the Nikon adapters to Z must be really fast or Nikon assumes DSLRs will be around long enough for people to buy expensive lenses and write them off before DSLRs are history.



Sep 04, 2019 at 08:10 AM
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The 1DX specs will be released sometime after Christmas.


Sep 04, 2019 at 09:50 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
Now that Nikon showed their hand, I really believe Canon will release a lens like this as well. Maybe even extend the range to 100-300mm. Given how things have been for a while now, I definitely won't be able to afford it though.


Would love to see a Canon 100-300/2.8 IS but I doubt it's on the way. Too many other things on Canon's plate. Besides, they didn't respond to Nikon's 200-400/4 for a very long time. It's not a gimme that just because Nikon releases it Canon will follow.

That said, they have been opening up to new designs in the RF realm.

Right now I want a 1D ML body more then anything else.



Sep 04, 2019 at 10:48 AM
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cameron12x wrote:
The 1DX specs will be released sometime after Christmas.


I hope so....with availability in Q1 2020. Really curious to see if it's a minor spec bump or if it's something fairly significant.



Sep 05, 2019 at 11:57 AM
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Nikon Rumors showed a roadmap of lenses. Along with the 120-300/2.8 comes a 100-300/4 also. So hard to choose which system to go with for ML. Lot's of awesome lenses in the works.


Sep 05, 2019 at 08:18 PM
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Latest rumors from Canon Watch: https://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-to-feature-ibis-6k-video-resolution-jump/

- IBIS
- 6K video (kinda natural since 1DXII already does DCI 4k 60p)
- *significant* resolution jump for a 1-series camera (this goes agains my initial feeling that III won't have more than 24 mpix)
- Dual CFExpress slots

If it is a 30+mpix body with 6K and 14+fps, then I'm afraid the price point will stick to 6000+USD/EUR for this thing...



Sep 17, 2019 at 09:16 AM
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If it includes all that I can see Canon pushing it to $7K+.


Sep 17, 2019 at 09:50 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
Latest rumors from Canon Watch: https://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-to-feature-ibis-6k-video-resolution-jump/

- IBIS
- 6K video (kinda natural since 1DXII already does DCI 4k 60p)
- *significant* resolution jump for a 1-series camera (this goes agains my initial feeling that III won't have more than 24 mpix)
- Dual CFExpress slots

If it is a 30+mpix body with 6K and 14+fps, then I'm afraid the price point will stick to 6000+USD/EUR for this thing...


I can't imagine it being 30MP but technically it should be based on the competition, and I really hope it is because that would be a reason to upgrade. Dual CFE would be great as well.

How many MP would a frame grab be from 6K video? I believe somewhere around 18MP? If that's the case, a lot of sports shooting will become video shooting with 18MP @ 30fps. The 8MP frame grabs off the current 1DXII are already good enough for most applications.



Sep 17, 2019 at 10:10 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
I can't imagine it being 30MP but technically it should be based on the competition, and I really hope it is because that would be a reason to upgrade. Dual CFE would be great as well.

How many MP would a frame grab be from 6K video? I believe somewhere around 18MP? If that's the case, a lot of sports shooting will become video shooting with 18MP @ 30fps. The 8MP frame grabs off the current 1DXII are already good enough for most applications.


The rumor says significant resolution jump and I don't think moving from 20 to 24 is significant.

Have you worked with 4K video, let alone 6K video in the field? Not to mention the shutter speed for 30p is merely 1/60? Frame grab is a no go for any sort of action shooting that requires superfast delivery, buttery smooth bokeh and frozen action.



Sep 17, 2019 at 11:08 AM
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Canon rumours
https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-is-coming-in-2020/



Sep 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM
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