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Archive 2019 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

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p.18 #1 · p.18 #1 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

How do the colors compare with the GM which is noticeably lighter? This thing is almost as heavy as the 2470gm at almost 800g, which makes it hard to travel/hike with no matter how good optically it is

Sep 27, 2019 at 03:47 PM

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Daniele067 wrote:
How do the colors compare with the GM which is noticeably lighter? This thing is almost as heavy as the 2470gm at almost 800g, which makes it hard to travel/hike with no matter how good optically it is

Not sure the difference in weight between these f/2.8 lenses is really that material.

Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM is 1.5 lbs. (680 g)
Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN Art is 1.8 lbs. (795 g)
Sony 24-70 f/2.8 GM is 1.9 lbs. (886 g)

The Sigma comes in-between the weight of the 16-35 GM and the 24-70 GM. I've owned all 3 lenses and the Sigma 14-24 feels very well balanced on both the A7R3 and A7RIV cameras. I decided to sell my 16-35 GM for the additional 2 mm on the wide end of the Sigma and the slight weight difference was never a real concern for me.

Sep 27, 2019 at 04:19 PM

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p.18 #3 · p.18 #3 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Chuck: Within their shared focal length range - 16-24mm, how do they compare?

Sep 27, 2019 at 04:23 PM

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p.18 #4 · p.18 #4 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Good move, I think, if you already own anything starting by 24mm like 24-70 or 24-105.
The quality of this lens is superb.

Sep 27, 2019 at 04:27 PM

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p.18 #5 · p.18 #5 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Fred Miranda wrote:
Here is a comparison in size between the Sigma 14-24/2.8 DN vs Sony 24/1.4 GM. Many think the Sony prime is a compact lens but the Sigma zoom is not that much bigger with their hoods attached. I thought the FE 12-24/4 was pretty compact but the Sigma, being a stop faster, is even more so. I used to carry the Nikon 14-24/2.8 adapted to Canon/Sony and it's a big difference in size. (...and IQ)

I'm loving the new Sigma E lenses designed for mirrorless.

Okay someone just see if a filter actually fits inside the hood. I'm curious how big that is . I just listed my CV 12 and Cv 21.

Sep 27, 2019 at 07:21 PM

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p.18 #6 · p.18 #6 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Chuck Coyne wrote:
Not sure the difference in weight between these f/2.8 lenses is really that material.

Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM is 1.5 lbs. (680 g)
Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN Art is 1.8 lbs. (795 g)
Sony 24-70 f/2.8 GM is 1.9 lbs. (886 g)

The Sigma comes in-between the weight of the 16-35 GM and the 24-70 GM. I've owned all 3 lenses and the Sigma 14-24 feels very well balanced on both the A7R3 and A7RIV cameras. I decided to sell my 16-35 GM for the additional 2 mm on the wide end of the Sigma and the slight weight difference was...Show more →

All the more reason I love the Tamron 17-28mm at 420g. I'm not a super wide guy so 17mm is plenty wide for my taste

Sep 27, 2019 at 08:05 PM

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nhsonyshooter wrote:
All the more reason I love the Tamron 17-28mm at 420g. I'm not a super wide guy so 17mm is plenty wide for my taste

I agree that the Tamron is amazingly light weight for a f/2.8 lens. I'm checking one out currently and if it can come close to my Batis 18mm across the frame and into the extreme corners I may keep it and sell the Batis 18. It would be nice to have it for those times when 14mm-16mm are not that important and a lighter weight kit using the Lee Seven5 filters would be a great option. But my Batis 18mm is a stellar copy and I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Tamron can hold its own against it.

One thing right out of the box is the Tamron feels so light and easy to handle but the zoom range also feels very restricted. I look forward to some testing to see how it compares to then Batis 18 and the Sigma 14-24.

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Sep 27, 2019 at 08:21 PM

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httivals wrote:
Chuck: Within their shared focal length range - 16-24mm, how do they compare?

I had a very well centered 16-35 GM. It was the third copy and was excellent right through the entire zoom range from 16-35. The sweet spot was 16-20mm from wide open. But the 20-35mm range was extremely good across the frame and into the extreme corners from f/4 - f/11. I really only switched from the 16-35mm to the 14-24mm for the 14-16mm focal lengths. I loved shooting with the Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 with an adapter on my Canon 5D II and 5D III and Sony A7R and A7R II. The Sigma brings me back to that excellent range and with the added benefit of excellent autofocus on top of the outstanding IQ.

The bottom line is that if you have an excellent copy of the 16-35mm GM and you prefer the extra reach of the 24-35mm and don't really care for or need the 14-16mm ultra wide focal length range than stick with the 16-35mm GM. The image quality is very comparable and the benefit of the Sigma 14-24mm will not be worth the switch. In my case it was and I'm very pleased that I made the switch.

Sep 27, 2019 at 08:36 PM

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p.18 #9 · p.18 #9 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

GMPhotography wrote:
Okay someone just see if a filter actually fits inside the hood. I'm curious how big that is . I just listed my CV 12 and Cv 21.

Unfortunately it's not a good candidate for the filter-inside-the-hood trick. You can physically fit a 77mm filter, but according to a post earlier in this thread it only allows the range 20mm - 24mm to be vignette-free.

So if you want filters over a more reasonable range, the only options are rear gels or a large front filter system, and only the front system allows CPLs. Although front systems typically can be time consuming to use, my solution has been to keep a single combination "CPL+ND64" filter pre-mounted inside a Nisi S5 adapter, and rotate it to minimize the effect of the CPL when I want just an ND. I added some plastic covers for the front and back, and the whole unit is pretty compact (for a 150mm system) and very quick to use.

** p.s. if shooting against the light, where CPLs are usually less effective anyway, rear gels may be preferable because large front filters are more likely to add flare.

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Sep 28, 2019 at 12:03 AM

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p.18 #10 · p.18 #10 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Thanks. I’m working on buying one. Just need to sell my 12mm

Sep 28, 2019 at 12:07 AM

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p.18 #11 · p.18 #11 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

rvh23 wrote:
Unfortunately it's not a good candidate for the filter-inside-the-hood trick. You can physically fit a 77mm filter, but according to a post earlier in this thread it only allows the range 20mm - 24mm to be vignette-free.

So if you want filters over a more reasonable range, the only options are rear gels or a large front filter system, and only the front system allows CPLs. Although front systems typically can be time consuming to use, my solution has been to keep a single combination "CPL+ND64" filter pre-mounted inside a Nisi S5 adapter, and rotate it to minimize the effect...Show more →

I think a polarizing effect may possible for the rear filter slot. I just ordered one and will test it out. The polarizer sheet can be cut in the angle with the strongest polarization. If it works, it will only be possible for portrait or landscape orientation. (not for both)

Sep 28, 2019 at 12:36 AM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
I think a polarizing effect may possible for the rear filter slot. I just ordered one and will test it out. The polarizer sheet can be cut in the angle with the strong polarization. If it works, it will only be possible for portrait or landscape orientation. (not for both)

Usually I need the CPL to eliminate glare from wet rocks or foliage, and it usually needs just the right angle of rotation to get the best result. So I'd be very surprised if this is a satisfactory solution, but I will look forward to your findings.

Sep 28, 2019 at 12:42 AM

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p.18 #13 · p.18 #13 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

rvh23 wrote:
Usually I need the CPL to eliminate glare from wet rocks or foliage, and it usually needs just the right angle of rotation to get the best result. So I'd be very surprised if this is a satisfactory solution, but I will look forward to your findings.

If the polarizer sheet is cut to fit the rear filter slot at its strongest angle of polarization, it will remove glare in one of the camera orientations. It's worth a try and could be combined with a ND gel as well.

Sep 28, 2019 at 12:45 AM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
If the polarizer sheet is cut to fit the rear filter slot at its strongest angle of polarization, it will remove glare in one of the camera orientations. It's worth a try and could be combined with a ND gel as well.

I should clarify that when I say 'to get the best result' I mean that I often don't want maximal polarization. I've never really tried it, but perhaps you could blend a (max) polarized shot with an unpolarized one in post to get something similar to a partially polarized filter orientation. Removing the gel without disturbing your camera would be a bit of a pain though...

Sep 28, 2019 at 01:06 AM

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p.18 #15 · p.18 #15 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

Id be keen to learn more about this new system.

https://shop.stcoptics.com/product/clipfilter_sonyff/
https://stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/

Sep 28, 2019 at 04:27 AM

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p.18 #16 · p.18 #16 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

I had purchased a similar camera clip in filter for night exposures (CLS, Astronomik) for my A7R some years ago. Handling in the field test was a real challenging task. Would have needed at least three, better four hands. One carrying the lens, one holding the camera and two more for handling the really sensible filter or so. Somehow I made it to install the filter during a outdoor session finally. Afterwards it was covered with finger prints. I decided not to use it longer and to return it. Astronomik did not take it back for the finger prints. Even the manufacturer could not remove by clenaing. If you cannot clean such a product, it is of limited use and should not be sold for hundrets of dollars.

A camera clip in filter should be low cost and easy to clean. You can scratch or maybe even loose such a filter.

Gel for the rear filter should be better suited for daily real wold use. I would probably have the lens without rear cap in my camera bag. So I would both hands free for handling and inserting the filter into the rear carrier of the lens. Damaging or loosing a Gel is a minor misfortune.

Hope Fred will report as well his handling experience with the shaped ND Gels.

Sep 28, 2019 at 08:50 AM

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p.18 #17 · p.18 #17 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

photomadnz wrote:
Id be keen to learn more about this new system.

https://shop.stcoptics.com/product/clipfilter_sonyff/
https://stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/

The night imaging filters look interesting, but I can't seem to find information on the clip page as to what the filters actually do?

Sep 28, 2019 at 09:36 AM

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p.18 #18 · p.18 #18 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

photomadnz wrote:
Id be keen to learn more about this new system.

https://shop.stcoptics.com/product/clipfilter_sonyff/
https://stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/

I still own this one (6-stop) and it will cause severe induced field curvature for the wide angle range. I had purchased it for the FE 12-24 and it was a disaster having to stop the lens down to f/11 for sharper corners.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1503152/2&year=2017#14144326

I believe gels are the only viable way to maintain sharpness across the field. The reason is because they are so thin and close to the rear element at the wide range... I think if a company designs a 'glass' element instead of gel, there will be issues.

Sep 28, 2019 at 09:43 AM

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p.18 #19 · p.18 #19 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

rvh23 wrote:
I should clarify that when I say 'to get the best result' I mean that I often don't want maximal polarization. I've never really tried it, but perhaps you could blend a (max) polarized shot with an unpolarized one in post to get something similar to a partially polarized filter orientation. Removing the gel without disturbing your camera would be a bit of a pain though...

That would be too much work. I think we could choose one strength per get filter by rotation the sheet before cutting it. I would go for the strongest effect.

Handling thin gel filters may be a challenge in the field, especially with high wind, rain, dust, snow, etc.

Sep 28, 2019 at 09:57 AM

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p.18 #20 · p.18 #20 · Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN first impressions

I think I'm out . It's just to big for what I want. Going to grab a Batis 18 and just keep my CV 12
12,18,24,35,85,135. That's my new path. I can mix and match a lot of parts

Thanks for all the testing. Great work

Sep 28, 2019 at 12:47 PM

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