Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
p.27 #1Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I realize I am a dying breed here, but I want less micro contrast and sharpness and smoother rendering than the CV typically delivers. I have been playing with different diffusion filters to liking on the CV 75/1.5 with great success (to my liking). Images have a much different feel when processed mindfully.Very film-like rendering. Reminds me I need to order a Black Pro Mist 1/4 in 58 and 52mm for the CV lenses I've bought recently.The one above with shot with a 1 in overcast light. I have a 1/2 as well, which is a little more neutral and does better in contrasty and harsher light. I don't want to spam the thread, but I have been using them more on the 35i, and they've been great. Mostly a 1/2 on the CV--the 1/8 doesn't really alter the feel of the image.
The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpgDo these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for...Show more →
Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
philip_pj wrote
It does some special stuff right at the transition zone. Some prefer f2 as their preferred point of compromise, both work well and it will vary by taste (and resolution too). People really want bite in their portrait lenses these days.The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
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Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for...Show more →
Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.
Apr 06, 2021 at 09:34 AM
p.27 #2Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Very film-like rendering. Reminds me I need to order a Black Pro Mist 1/4 in 58 and 52mm for the CV lenses I've bought recently.The one above with shot with a 1 in overcast light. I have a 1/2 as well, which is a little more neutral and does better in contrasty and harsher light. I don't want to spam the thread, but I have been using them more on the 35i, and they've been great. Mostly a 1/2 on the CV--the 1/8 doesn't really alter the feel of the image.
The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110440_bcfdd8cfe4_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393692_fd72154974_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpgDo these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.
I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I realize I am a dying breed here, but I want less micro contrast and sharpness and smoother rendering than the CV typically delivers. I have been playing with different diffusion filters to liking on the CV 75/1.5 with great success (to my liking). Images have a much different feel when processed mindfully.The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
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Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Apr 06, 2021 at 11:22 AM
p.27 #3Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
bjhurley wrote:
For anyone who wants to make a foray into diffusion filters, it's worth noting that Formatt-Hitech is currently having an Easter sale on their Black Supermist filters, with a set of four (1/8, 1/4, 1/2, and 1) selling for slightly over US $200 (https://www.formatt-hitech.com/cinema/black-supermist-circle-kit). That's about what I paid for just one of my Schneider Hollywood Black Magic filters, so it seems like a good deal to me. You need to enter the promo code SPRING20 at purchase, which gets you 20% off; looks like the sale ends on April 12. They're available in 77mm or 82mm circles; for step-up...Show more →
This is helpful! Do all diffusion filters speckle the bokeh or just certain types/brands?
@ HelenaN I also mention when using filters, and will do a post showing what I have found
For anyone who wants to make a foray into diffusion filters, it's worth noting that Formatt-Hitech is currently having an Easter sale on their Black Supermist filters, with a set of four (1/8, 1/4, 1/2, and 1) selling for slightly over US $200 (https://www.formatt-hitech.com/cinema/black-supermist-circle-kit). That's about what I paid for just one of my Schneider Hollywood Black Magic filters, so it seems like a good deal to me. You need to enter the promo code SPRING20 at purchase, which gets you 20% off; looks like the sale ends on April 12. They're available in 77mm or 82mm circles; for step-up...Show more →
This is helpful! Do all diffusion filters speckle the bokeh or just certain types/brands?
@ HelenaN I also mention when using filters, and will do a post showing what I have found
Apr 06, 2021 at 11:31 AM
p.27 #4Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
This is helpful! Do all diffusion filters speckle the bokeh or just certain types/brands?
I only have direct experience with the Hollywood Black Magic, but according to the comment I've pasted below by Ryan Avery (a well-known cine lens designer who co-developed the Veydra lens line and now works for Tokina) in the comments section of this article (https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/03/23/tokina-cinema-diffusion-filters-review/) it seems to apply to at least some types of diffusion filters (maybe the ones with "black" in their names?).
"As with all filters like the Tokina Black Alchemy, Schneider Hollywood Black Magic, and Tiffen Black Soft F/X; you have avoid long lens bokeh effects (in focus subject in the foreground with out of focus lights in the background such as cityscapes, streetlights, panel lights, etc), and avoid shooting wide open past T2 on sensors S35 and above. The filters hold up perfectly as long as very apparent point source bokeh where the subject is close to the lens are avoided. Once at deeper focus, further from the lens, the effect speckle bokeh is gone."
Diffusion is typically created through etched patterns on the filter surface, although I think some of these filters use small pores instead and it may be those pores that cause the speckles; I haven't been able to find an authoritative explanation. I would post an example here but I don't have the Voigtlander 75 and don't want to pollute this thread with a photo using a different lens. ;-)
This is helpful! Do all diffusion filters speckle the bokeh or just certain types/brands?
I only have direct experience with the Hollywood Black Magic, but according to the comment I've pasted below by Ryan Avery (a well-known cine lens designer who co-developed the Veydra lens line and now works for Tokina) in the comments section of this article (https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/03/23/tokina-cinema-diffusion-filters-review/) it seems to apply to at least some types of diffusion filters (maybe the ones with "black" in their names?).
"As with all filters like the Tokina Black Alchemy, Schneider Hollywood Black Magic, and Tiffen Black Soft F/X; you have avoid long lens bokeh effects (in focus subject in the foreground with out of focus lights in the background such as cityscapes, streetlights, panel lights, etc), and avoid shooting wide open past T2 on sensors S35 and above. The filters hold up perfectly as long as very apparent point source bokeh where the subject is close to the lens are avoided. Once at deeper focus, further from the lens, the effect speckle bokeh is gone."
Diffusion is typically created through etched patterns on the filter surface, although I think some of these filters use small pores instead and it may be those pores that cause the speckles; I haven't been able to find an authoritative explanation. I would post an example here but I don't have the Voigtlander 75 and don't want to pollute this thread with a photo using a different lens. ;-)
Apr 06, 2021 at 11:41 AM
p.27 #5Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
The one above with shot with a 1 in overcast light. I have a 1/2 as well, which is a little more neutral and does better in contrasty and harsher light. I don't want to spam the thread, but I have been using them more on the 35i, and they've been great. Mostly a 1/2 on the CV--the 1/8 doesn't really alter the feel of the image.
The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110440_bcfdd8cfe4_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393692_fd72154974_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpgDo these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two....Show more →
Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Very film-like rendering. Reminds me I need to order a Black Pro Mist 1/4 in 58 and 52mm for the CV lenses I've bought recently.The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
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Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two....Show more →
Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
Apr 06, 2021 at 12:11 PM
p.27 #6Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
I've used a bunch of the filters for video use. I don't know about lightroom, but Luminar AI has a specific glow/orton sliders that recreate halation and diffusion. I stopped using the filters since I switched to Resolve for video and Luminar for when I want those effects.
Still it's nice to have everything in camera sometimes. The non-black speckled filters don't have that spotty dust effect in specific conditions.
Still it's nice to have everything in camera sometimes. The non-black speckled filters don't have that spotty dust effect in specific conditions.
Apr 06, 2021 at 12:15 PM
p.27 #7Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
ftllens wrote:
Still it's nice to have everything in camera sometimes. The non-black speckled filters don't have that spotty dust effect in specific conditions.
Good to know about the speckled bokeh not being a universal issue. I agree that it's possible to achieve much of this look with software (I've used Resolve's diffusion tools on video myself) but it's usually faster and simpler to use a filter. Less GPU-intensive too, although that's a consideration for video rather than stills. The filter does bake in the look, though, so if you do it with software at least you have flexibility to dial in as much or little diffusion and related effects as you like.
Still it's nice to have everything in camera sometimes. The non-black speckled filters don't have that spotty dust effect in specific conditions.
Good to know about the speckled bokeh not being a universal issue. I agree that it's possible to achieve much of this look with software (I've used Resolve's diffusion tools on video myself) but it's usually faster and simpler to use a filter. Less GPU-intensive too, although that's a consideration for video rather than stills. The filter does bake in the look, though, so if you do it with software at least you have flexibility to dial in as much or little diffusion and related effects as you like.
Apr 06, 2021 at 12:21 PM
p.27 #8Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
bjhurley wrote:
I only have direct experience with the Hollywood Black Magic, but according to the comment I've pasted below by Ryan Avery (a well-known cine lens designer who co-developed the Veydra lens line and now works for Tokina) in the comments section of this article (https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/03/23/tokina-cinema-diffusion-filters-review/) it seems to apply to at least some types of diffusion filters (maybe the ones with "black" in their names?).
"As with all filters like the Tokina Black Alchemy, Schneider Hollywood Black Magic, and Tiffen Black Soft F/X; you have avoid long lens bokeh effects (in focus subject in the foreground with out of focus...Show more →
Perhaps this patent will shed some light (haha?) on the subject?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4329023
nehemiahphoto wrote
This is helpful! Do all diffusion filters speckle the bokeh or just certain types/brands?"As with all filters like the Tokina Black Alchemy, Schneider Hollywood Black Magic, and Tiffen Black Soft F/X; you have avoid long lens bokeh effects (in focus subject in the foreground with out of focus...Show more →
Perhaps this patent will shed some light (haha?) on the subject?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4329023
Apr 06, 2021 at 12:50 PM
p.27 #9Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110440_bcfdd8cfe4_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393692_fd72154974_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpgDo these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in an organic pleasant way.
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.
Edited on Apr 06, 2021 at 02:24 PM · View previous versions
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
The one above with shot with a 1 in overcast light. I have a 1/2 as well, which is a little more neutral and does better in contrasty and harsher light. I don't want to spam the thread, but I have been using them more on the 35i, and they've been great. Mostly a 1/2 on the CV--the 1/8 doesn't really alter the feel of the image.The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
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Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in an organic pleasant way.
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.
Edited on Apr 06, 2021 at 02:24 PM · View previous versions
Apr 06, 2021 at 02:21 PM
p.27 #10Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/4 on the X100V:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190792/26#15259715
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190792/26#15259715
Apr 06, 2021 at 02:23 PM
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p.27 #11Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
highdesertmesa wrote:
Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/4 on the X100V:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190792/26#15259715
Okay, I’m sold! Just ordered one... conveniently, it will fit both my CV 75/1.5 and 125/2.5.
Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/4 on the X100V:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190792/26#15259715
Okay, I’m sold! Just ordered one... conveniently, it will fit both my CV 75/1.5 and 125/2.5.
Apr 06, 2021 at 02:57 PM
p.27 #12Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in...Show more →
I've decided to give it a try. They have many filters under HFX Diffusion in the Plug-in suite (Lightroom Plug-in) but the two of interest here are the Diffusion and Pro-Mist choices.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)
Parameter tweak
Preset example
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Do these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
I've decided to give it a try. They have many filters under HFX Diffusion in the Plug-in suite (Lightroom Plug-in) but the two of interest here are the Diffusion and Pro-Mist choices.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)
Parameter tweak
Preset example
Apr 06, 2021 at 04:08 PM
p.27 #13Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Here is a quick before and after using the Black Pro-Mist Preset at level 3 (out of 10)
Leica M10 + CV 50/1.5II
LEFT (Black Pro-Mist), RIGHT (no filter)
Leica M10 + CV 50/1.5II
LEFT (Black Pro-Mist), RIGHT (no filter)
Apr 06, 2021 at 04:31 PM
p.27 #14Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in an organic pleasant way.
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.I've decided to give it a try. They have many filters under HFX Diffusion in the Plug-in suite (Lightroom Plug-in) but the two of interest here are the Diffusion and Pro-Mist choices.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software...Show more →
We are in lock step
Go here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
No.Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software...Show more →
We are in lock step
Go here:https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?
Apr 06, 2021 at 05:18 PM
p.27 #15Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in an organic pleasant way.
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.I've decided to give it a try. They have many filters under HFX Diffusion in the Plug-in suite (Lightroom Plug-in) but the two of interest here are the Diffusion and Pro-Mist choices.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)We are in lock step Go here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?
I see a lot of people using Google Drive. There are other file sharing services, some that offer both paid and free like "We Transfer". The free services usually let the files expire after a set time of ~ two weeks.
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)
Go here:https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?
I see a lot of people using Google Drive. There are other file sharing services, some that offer both paid and free like "We Transfer". The free services usually let the files expire after a set time of ~ two weeks.
Apr 06, 2021 at 07:08 PM
p.27 #16Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110440_bcfdd8cfe4_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393692_fd72154974_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpgDo these diffusion filters affects AF accuracy in the case of your Sigma lenses?No.
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.Thank you! Personally I feel the CV 75/1.5 has some nice SA in the rendering, especially up close, but I was wondering if any of the Black Mist filters would be a great addition to more corrected lenses like the Sigma 65/2.I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
This was just posted today
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2021/04/08/tiffen-pro-mist-filters-essentials/
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
The one above with shot with a 1 in overcast light. I have a 1/2 as well, which is a little more neutral and does better in contrasty and harsher light. I don't want to spam the thread, but I have been using them more on the 35i, and they've been great. Mostly a 1/2 on the CV--the 1/8 doesn't really alter the feel of the image.The wider lenses require less powerful numbers to get the same affect. Wonderfully, the Sigma 35i and CV 75/1.5 share the 58mm filter thread. I am enjoying the IQ effect so much, I've order another one or two of different types. I think I'll be able to get a very attractive Summilux like look on the CV but with smoother structural rendering, smaller size and about 3k cheaper
Excited to try out one or two of the new filter on the CV 75. And, when I want egregious amounts of fine detail resolution, which this lens has in spades--wow, I stop it down and it's incredible. All with the CV 75https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393387_2dfe9979e0_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110440_bcfdd8cfe4_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51077393692_fd72154974_k.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51008110765_1ece59b4fe_k.jpg
Or, at least not in a way I can detect on my a7c with my 35i even WO with AF-C on moving dogs. The 35i is my only AF lens ATM, but I have a Samy 75/1.8 arriving I will try as well. I also don't find the MF harder until I put the 1 on, which is more powerful and really does put a SA/diffusion layer. I actually ran a test shooting Black ProMist 1/8, 1/4 and then 1 (1/1) and naked with both a CV 75/1.5 and 31 limited on a tripod with a human model for my own understanding. I also have a couple more coming to do further experimenting as they have different affects. I can share my findings on FM if you and others are interested.
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
This was just posted today
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2021/04/08/tiffen-pro-mist-filters-essentials/
Apr 08, 2021 at 02:53 PM
p.27 #17Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
I like the Tiffen software a lot. It works as a LR plugin, so it’s easy to edit RAW files. The effects look convincing to me so far.
Apr 08, 2021 at 02:59 PM
p.27 #18Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
I like the Tiffen software a lot. It works as a LR plugin, so it’s easy to edit RAW files. The effects look convincing to me so far.
Can you link the download? Did you pay or get a trial?
I like the Tiffen software a lot. It works as a LR plugin, so it’s easy to edit RAW files. The effects look convincing to me so far.
Can you link the download? Did you pay or get a trial?
Apr 08, 2021 at 03:37 PM
p.27 #19Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
highdesertmesa wrote:
Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.Thanks for summary.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4Yes--I have use a combo of Clarity/Texture in conjunction with sharpening and NR to achieve my desired textural quality. It's rare I don't use them to some degree on nearly every photo, though some more than others, depending on lens, FL, aperture etc. It's been successful but is somewhat of a pain, and needs to be tweaked. I think if you just wanted get a "Digital Diffusion FX" vibe, it would be much easier than the filters which have affects as well. I have had wayyyyyy more success using filters than trying to PP lens to look more vintage in an organic pleasant way.
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.I've decided to give it a try. They have many filters under HFX Diffusion in the Plug-in suite (Lightroom Plug-in) but the two of interest here are the Diffusion and Pro-Mist choices.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)We are in lock step Go here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?I see a lot of people using Google Drive. There are other file sharing services, some that offer both paid and free like "We Transfer". The free services usually let the files expire after a set time of ~ two weeks.
Thanks, missed this, and will do.
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I had the same thought on the 65i. But, I ended up ordering a Samy 75/1.8 instead as it shares the same 58mm filter as my Pentax ltd, CV 75/1.5 and 35i. Once I get the effect dialed in exactly to my liking, I will probably get a 65i as the Samy 75 was fine but not super impressive when I used it before.Once thing to consider, is these filters have different affects (aside from strengths). I think the layout it somewhat of a maze on their cite, so I will try to save you a minute or two. For you, I would not get a Black Pro Mist as it alter the image beyond resolution and micro-contrast. You can read more here and watch a highly instructive but ultra boring 35 minute video if you want
1) I have the 3 black Black ProMist filters currently, which do this:
"Highlight flares are controlled.
Contrast is lowered, but with less lightening of shadows for a more delicate effect
Creates a soft light "pastel" effect
Delicate effect with contained highlight flare"
2) I've also ordered a "Digital Diffusion FX" which really just reduces fine detail resolution without change the character of the lens--no change of highlights, halation, shadow lifting or color affects like the Black ProMist. This is probably what you would want for a 65i. A 1/8 won't be noticeable really, a 1/4 probably a good option, and a 1/2 would probably be too much is my guess for the 65i for your taste.
This filter is described as "The Tiffen Digital Diffusion/FX Filter is a softening and diffusion filter specifically meant to appear invisible, as if no filtration is being applied. Compared to other diffusion filters, this filter offers virtually no flare or loss of contrast for more subtle applications. It helps to lessen facial blemishes, wrinkles, and gently smooth textured backgrounds while maintaining sharp focus."
3) I order a Pearlescent Screw-in Filter which I am hoping to get my CV75/1.5 rendering much close to a 75/80 Lux as it:
"Softens contrast and reduces sharpness
Reduces the appearance of blemishes and softens highlights
Creates pearlescent halo around highlights"
I recently acquired a Tamron 70-180, but I ordered the "Digital Diffusion FX" for it, has the Tamron's have crunchy renderings to my taste, that lens included, but otherwise I like it. I just want the edge take off but not alteration beyond that, similar to 65i. I will make a longer post in a bit and explain thing more with photos, and hopefully others can contribute as well.
BTW, I do like the CV 75/1.5 naked as well. I have been getting more used to it, and below is a photo from my hike a day or two ago. But I do like the ability to have "multiple lenses in one" by adding a filter.
Have you tried playing with Lightroom's contrast, texture and clarity to mimic these effects, in particular the 'Digital Diffusion' type?
Tiffen themselves have a "software version" for most of their filters including the ones mentioned here:
https://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-DFX-Standalone-Mac-Download/dp/B00APPAOC4
I have found though, personally, that adjusting everything in post, whether it's getting canon or leica colors, or film presets or using AI filters and such, they are good in terms of getting 80-90% of the effect quickly, but to get the last part, it's really a pain and often can't get there. That has been my experience, and maybe that last 10% is just me being perfectionistic/neurotic.
I am aware of the Tiffen software, but to my understanding it's been discontinued, so I don't want to invest in discontinued/non-supported products.
The Pro-Mist has the Presets below, each with strengths from 1 to 10:
Black Pro-Mist
Cool Pro-Mist
Pro-Mist
Warm Black Pro-Mist
Warm Pro-Mist
The Diffusers Presets are: (1 to 10 intensity as well)
Black Diffusion
Gold Diffusion
Aside from that the Parameters for the Presets can also be tweaked and masked if desired
If you post an image showing before/after using the real filter, I can try the plugin on your "before" image and see if the software gets close to your "after". :-)
Go here:https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695216/0?nc=1#15557030
Also, where/how do I upload a RAW file for people to download (like you)?
Thanks, missed this, and will do.
Apr 08, 2021 at 03:38 PM
p.27 #20Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Can you link the download? Did you pay or get a trial?
I used a demo. It looks like they are now discontinued (aside from the one selling at Amazon) and the software was sold to Boris FX. It uses an identical interface to the Tiffen DFX app, except that BorisFX Optics changed the filter names and categories a bit and added more filters. (It still includes diffusion and mist options)
https://borisfx.com/products/optics/?collection=optics&product=optics#features
Fred Miranda wrote
I like the Tiffen software a lot. It works as a LR plugin, so it’s easy to edit RAW files. The effects look convincing to me so far.I used a demo. It looks like they are now discontinued (aside from the one selling at Amazon) and the software was sold to Boris FX. It uses an identical interface to the Tiffen DFX app, except that BorisFX Optics changed the filter names and categories a bit and added more filters. (It still includes diffusion and mist options)
https://borisfx.com/products/optics/?collection=optics&product=optics#features
Apr 08, 2021 at 04:47 PM