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Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review

  
 
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DavidBM wrote:
Gosh that's really interesting: the concentrating on bokeh schtick wasn't just marketing. They've traded off ultimate resolution for remarkable smoothness at f2.8.


That's what I thought too. I'm a very happy owner of the Voigt 40/1.2, but these test images makes for a very interesting comparison, and the difference isn't subtle either.

I find that, on paper or based on specs, a 45mm f2.8 isn't, or shouldn't be, a very exciting lens. But this new Sigma manages to feel just that; a bit exciting. Strictly due to its rendering. Well done Sigma indeed. IMO, sharpness is overrated and rendering is everything, so I guess I'm in the core target audience for this lens.

My bank account is shouting profanities at you/Fred from somewhere in the back, but myself, I'll just give thanks for this interesting comparison.



Aug 10, 2019 at 03:22 AM
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p.4 #2 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Check the test I did with Panasonic S1.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1581322/43#14938376

Do you guys think there is FC going on? It is not obvious to my eyes. Though mine is only 24M.

DavidBM wrote:
I think most MTF is flat-field MTF, meaning that regardless of whether it's a real resolution dip or wavy curvature it should show up on the MTF. Weird.



Aug 10, 2019 at 03:40 AM
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p.4 #3 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


d.s. wrote:
Apparently not many here have tried the C-Biogon natively (there's more to a lens than speed).


Agreed. The C Biogon 35/2.8 ZM is a tiny gem on a Leica body. On the other hand, the Distagon 35/1.4 ZM does complement it perfectly.



Aug 10, 2019 at 04:08 AM
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p.4 #4 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


AmbientMike wrote:
Wondering what the selling points are for this lens. $549 seems a lot for a 2.8 normal lens (that doesn't say Leica lol)


For me, it's the combination of:
- Size
- Rendering
- Handling
- Build Quality
- Weather Resistance

I also like that it gives me something different than my CVs (af, rounded blades/no sunstars, etc), while still being small and nearly as enjoyable to use.



Aug 10, 2019 at 07:08 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Wondering what the selling points are for this lens. $549 seems a lot for a 2.8 normal lens (that doesn't say Leica lol)


FL, AF, size/weight, and the lack of LoCA green outlining. I would use it for casual “environmental” portrait in urban settings. Like in going out with your gf to have a walk and an ice cream and taking the camera with you. You’ll be doing handheld so ultimate sharpness you couldn’t attain anyway. The big guns (like 50/1.4) have to stay at home due to size. The alternatives aren’t better, unless you’re into psychedelic / impressionistic bokeh (Batis 40) or would like to paint the background with green outlines (FE 50/1.8) (which is ok in natural settings but terrible in urban ones).

The competitor I see for this is the 35/2.8, however as soon as you say “portrait” the slightly longer 45mm FL has immediate advantages. The 55/1.8 is a little bit on the longer side and has similar LoCA issues as the 50mm. The incoming 35/1.8 is said to have “vivid LoCA” (Ken R’s review) so I don’t have big hopes with that one. Time will tell.



Aug 10, 2019 at 08:28 AM
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p.4 #6 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


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Here is a quick rendering comparison to the CV 40/1.2 with both lenses at f/2.8.

To put in perspective, the CV 40/1.2 is famous for its smooth rendering and from previous tests, you guys know it beats the 50/1.4 ZA and even the new Sigma 35/1.2 in smoothness.
So, it's hard to beat the Voigtlander...But as you can see from the crops below, Sigma 45/2.8 does!!

It's also interesting that their FL is not that different at this distance (~2.5m) and even though the Sigma is wide open, it has better LoCA correction compared to the Voigtlander. Keep in mind the latter
...Show more

Wow, that's not even close. Well done, Sigma.



Aug 10, 2019 at 09:35 AM
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MayaTlab wrote:
Weirdly enough... that it is slow. In 2019 I think that you'll struggle to find a faster prime with enough spherical aberration to have the same rendering as the Sigma at f2.8. Combined with fairly good homogeneity throughout the frame (with the notable exception of vignetting), that's quite rare these days.


Agree 100%. There is nothing like this lens on the market right now as it's the closest thing to a 45mm STF. Could be a favorite travel lens.



Aug 10, 2019 at 10:00 AM
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p.4 #8 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


What aperture would you need to shoot the CV to match the Sigma at f/2.8 Fred, from a blur perspective?

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Agree 100%. There is nothing like this lens on the market right now as it's the closest thing to a 45mm STF. Could be a favorite travel lens.




Aug 10, 2019 at 10:03 AM
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tsdevine wrote:
What aperture would you need to shoot the CV to match the Sigma at f/2.8 Fred, from a blur perspective?



I think these are different things Tim. The Sigma's rendering may give the impression is capable of more blur at f/2.8 but it's just under corrected SA giving a more pleasant rendering to the images. The difference in FOV is very small but it's also an advantage for the Sigma (being a tad longer) since the test was done at same distance.



Aug 10, 2019 at 12:53 PM
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Thanks Fred, you can tell I’m more of a stopped down landscape shooter...



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i would be comparing this with the fe50/2.8, given that you get much more for your money with the sony lens, at $500.

20fps af-c on the a9, 1:1, dual-Floating design, weather sealing, Aspherical and ED elements, rounded blades, etc.



Aug 10, 2019 at 02:08 PM
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osv2 wrote:
i would be comparing this with the fe50/2.8, given that you get much more for your money with the sony lens, at $500.

20fps af-c on the a9, 1:1, dual-Floating design, weather sealing, Aspherical and ED elements, rounded blades, etc.


Lol that particular lens is an excellent litmus test for the honesty of photo review sites - the kind that assign stars and ranks lens accordingly. Some will dismiss this one with 2.5 stars or so (for slow AF, slow aperture etc). Then two reviews later they’ll be ecstatic in front of a Loxia.... 5 stars! Must have! lol



Aug 10, 2019 at 03:02 PM
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p.4 #13 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


I just picked up both the Samyang 45mm f1.8 and the Sigma 45mm f2.8, to do a little shootout this weekend between the two and to help me decide on which one I like better.
I gotta say...it's been really hard to decide because both of these lenses have pros and cons, which even them out. I'll post some images later when I've imported them into my computer, because I just got back from a morning of testing the two lenses.

Build quality definitely goes to the Sigma. It's built like a professional lens, and it also looks extremely cool on your camera. Definitely see it looking nice not only on the Sony, but the Panasonic and Leica cameras as well.

Image quality wise they are slightly different. When shooting portraits with subjects that are close, they produce about the same level of background blur, with the Samyang edging out a little more. But you really have to look at it, to see the difference. I also agree with Fred, that the rendering does look slightly better on the Sigma, even if the background blur is not as prevalent as the Samyang's.
For more street shots, where subjects are far, the difference in subject separation varies. I would say that the Samyang edges out a little bit more in that department with it's f1.8 aperture, when subjects or objects show up in the foreground, but the difference to be honest is negligible.

Color rendition is slightly different as well. Samyang had a more saturated color orange-ish hue to it, while the Sigma had a slightly cooler temperature. I would say based on looking, side by side, the skin tones look more accurate to me on the Sigma.

Differentiators for the Sigma I would say are that the Sigma's minimum close focus distance was impressive. You can get really close to a subject and get some really interesting shots, and that's where you see some serious background blur and bokeh. And speaking of Bokeh, I found the Samyang bokeh to be a little too busy and swirly, at times, while the Sigma was a bit more calm and aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.

Differentiators for the Samyang was that I often got brighter shots, and when shooting portraits, got some really great subject separation. Sometimes you would get a little bit of a dreamy effect which looked cool. Also I found the Samyang to lock on eye autofocus a lot better than the Sigma. In most situations I did not run into any focus issues with the Samyang, and that's on v1.0. The Sigma however I got some inconsistent behavior, especially when using eye autofocus. When comparing the two, I would say the Samyang definitely locks on face detection and eye autofocus better than the Sigma currently.

All in all comparing these two lenses, they felt like different animals all together.
It's clear that the Sigma is a street/travel lens, with solid construction, and with the right techniques, offers some really interesting images. However it could use a firmware or two to fix some of the autofocus issues talked about here in this forum as I ran into similar issues.
The Samyang, feels more like a portrait lens, to me. I felt I got the best results with this lens is when I shot portraits, then I did with street. If I were a street portrait guy, I would probably lean more heavily towards this lens. The build quality sucks, but is not too bad, and it is really light..but most importantly it's a sharp lens and the image quality overall is very good.

Which one am I getting? I'm not sure. I've always had trouble with the 40-45 focal range. Thought I'd give it another try, and I'm still on the fence. I may just have to shoot some more with it to determine whether this focal range is right for me. And to be honest I liked both these lenses, so it's gonna be hard to decide between the two.




Aug 10, 2019 at 03:08 PM
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p.4 #14 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
Agree 100%. There is nothing like this lens on the market right now as it's the closest thing to a 45mm STF. Could be a favorite travel lens.


Don’t tempt me, you know I do weird things

Although the 100 STF wasn’t intended for flashlight photography, I might do exactly that

And use a Playboy centerfold as slightly out of focus background, to make sure no one can concentrate on the flashlight itself



Aug 10, 2019 at 07:48 PM
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p.4 #15 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm sure [that the AF-C issue] is something that can be resolved via firmware update. I will send my tests to Sigma and let them know right now.

How would Sigma implement firmware updates for this lens? Would it be advisable to wait months (and how many months?) before purchasing the 2.8/45 to be certain of getting a fully functional copy?

Edited on Aug 10, 2019 at 08:16 PM · View previous versions



Aug 10, 2019 at 08:01 PM
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Fred, thanks for this review. The Sigma looks like a special lens! I hope all the folks who have been wishing for some smaller, slower, character primes are following this one.

I suspect the pricing will come down over time, but may also be a factor of Sigma realizing that this lens is going to be criticized for lack of sharpness and speed in many quarters and thus is more of a niche product. It’s ironic that, despite the focus on rendering over more prosaic qualities, they can’t attach the “art” label to this product.



Aug 10, 2019 at 08:11 PM
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vdo1 wrote:
Don’t tempt me, you know I do weird things

Although the 100 STF wasn’t intended for flashlight photography, I might do exactly that

And use a Playboy centerfold as slightly out of focus background, to make sure no one can concentrate on the flashlight itself


That was for meant for you!

I do think it's the closest we can get to that look at 45mm. Your 100/2.8 STF is begging for a companion.

Here is a very complex background that would make any lens look bad.
The Sigma 45 didn't get intimidated by it...









Perhaps not the sharpest lens on lensrentals charts still great for portraits. It's growing on me. :)




Aug 10, 2019 at 10:38 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
That was for meant for you!

I do think it's the closest we can get to that look at 45mm. Your 100/2.8 STF is begging for a companion.

Here is a very complex background that would make any lens look bad.
The Sigma 45 didn't get intimidated by it...


Now we're talking.... I predicted that this is the best usage case somewhere earlier in this thread:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1608234/3#14940852

Had you started the review with this type of photos, the thread would had followed a pretty different course

Now let me seek redemption after the infamous flashlight pics. I noticed that the stonework in your pic is remarkably devoid of LoCa green. Here is what happens with the FE 50/1.8 @ 2.8 (and the 55mm is not any better). My model is internet shy so I observed her wish and cropped just the parts relevant to bokeh / LoCA discussion:













As you may see, the bokeh is acceptable (but not great), however LoCA creates havoc on both the dress details and the stonework pillar. The lens is also pretty sharp, contrary to the "general consensus" that it's not (and I knew that before taking the flashlight pics, I was being somehow mischievous with those).

I have high hopes that the Sigma 45 can address the LoCA issue, all in a small street friendly package.

P.S. One may ask why in hell am I taking portraits with the lowly FE 50/1.8 when I also own the 100 STF. It’s simple, as much as I love the rendering of the 100, I also appreciate a small package, the pic above was taken while visiting a local winery, where we concentrated on dinner not photography. One of the reasons I went with Sony. You can have it both ways, small and light, or class leading big glass.





Aug 11, 2019 at 06:52 AM
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Aug 12, 2019 at 02:43 AM
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I surrender. The rendering is amazing. It will be mine, and I'm not sure I can wait until a potential update for the close focus af-c thing.

Juha, I misplaced the thread where you posted a *ton* of samples, but thanks a bunch for those! The ones with human subjects were the ones that told me I need this lens.



Aug 12, 2019 at 06:23 AM
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