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Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review

  
 
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http://findingrange.com/2019/09/21/sigma-45mm-f2-8-dg-dn-contemporary-lens-l-mount-first-impressions/

photo from this initial examination of the lens.



Sep 22, 2019 at 03:03 AM
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Some with the Marumi 330 Achromat (+3), chain was Sigma C 40 > Hoya UV > 55-77 step up rings > Marumi > Breakthrough X4 Cpl

Min = MFD with Achromat, Max = Infinity Focus with Achromat
Min 3.2
_UWU0396 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 5.6
_UWU0398 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 2.8
_UWU0390 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 5.6
_UWU0392 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 8
_UWU0393 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 10 coin is about size of quarter
_UWU0497 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop of above
_UWU0497 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 5.6
_UWU0511 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop of above
_UWU0511 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 5.6
_UWU0509 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 10
_UWU0505 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop of above
_UWU0505 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr



Now without Marumi

10 Min
_UWU0513 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop
_UWU0513 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

10 min
_UWU0514 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop
_UWU0514 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr


Marumi overlaps focus range (unlike on 85 GM where it fills it in). Sigma C 40 CF is very good. I'm going to test the 200 (+5) when it comes in.



Sep 22, 2019 at 12:56 PM
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p.24 #3 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


I tested mine very quickly this morning on Big Bronco before Golf. So only one corner was in sun but its centered very nicely and very sharp at F4 across the frame. Better than i thought but BB is not close up but about 40 ft away to show all the building. Ill be gone for awhile on travel and gigs. Not sure I'm coming back to this forum though, lost interest. PM me if you need me


Sep 22, 2019 at 01:49 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I tested mine very quickly this morning on Big Bronco before Golf. So only one corner was in sun but its centered very nicely and very sharp at F4 across the frame. Better than i thought but BB is not close up but about 40 ft away to show all the building. Ill be gone for awhile on travel and gigs. Not sure I'm coming back to this forum though, lost interest. PM me if you need me


Well I hope you stick around Guy. I have always appreciated your contribution here.



Sep 22, 2019 at 01:53 PM
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p.24 #5 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Well I hope you stick around Guy. I have always appreciated your contribution here.

I agree.

-Jim




Sep 22, 2019 at 05:13 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I tested mine very quickly this morning on Big Bronco before Golf. So only one corner was in sun but its centered very nicely and very sharp at F4 across the frame. Better than i thought but BB is not close up but about 40 ft away to show all the building. Ill be gone for awhile on travel and gigs. Not sure I'm coming back to this forum though, lost interest. PM me if you need me


This forum is a lot more civil than most, Guy. Any online thing is going to be unpleasant sometimes because some people, when they aren't face-to-face, end up being dicks more than they would otherwise. If we are going to help each other we just have to laugh that off from time to time...



Sep 22, 2019 at 05:48 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I tested mine very quickly this morning on Big Bronco before Golf. So only one corner was in sun but its centered very nicely and very sharp at F4 across the frame. Better than i thought but BB is not close up but about 40 ft away to show all the building. Ill be gone for awhile on travel and gigs. Not sure I'm coming back to this forum though, lost interest. PM me if you need me


Just adding my voice to the chorus. You are one of the most trusted contributors on the forum. Please stick around. Illegitimi non carborundum!



Sep 22, 2019 at 07:00 PM
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Thank you gentlemen I really do appreciate it but technically speaking and coming from a actually forum owner and invented GetDPI I moderate to protect members. Not to take this any further as I respect Fred and what he does. End of story

Not to be overlooked but those that responded . I love you folks and respect you very much. Call on me anytime



Sep 22, 2019 at 07:38 PM
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All the best Guy! Good Light and hope you’ll come back from time to time.

GMPhotography wrote:
Thank you gentlemen I really do appreciate it but technically speaking and coming from a actually forum owner and invented GetDPI I moderate to protect members. Not to take this any further as I respect Fred and what he does. End of story

Not to be overlooked but those that responded . I love you folks and respect you very much. Call on me anytime




Sep 22, 2019 at 09:54 PM
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p.24 #10 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


GMPhotography wrote:
Thank you gentlemen I really do appreciate it but technically speaking and coming from a actually forum owner and invented GetDPI I moderate to protect members. Not to take this any further as I respect Fred and what he does. End of story

Not to be overlooked but those that responded . I love you folks and respect you very much. Call on me anytime


Being a site admin is no easy job. Thanks for your kind words Guy.



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p.24 #11 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Oh, Fred and Guy are gems, was there any doubt? Don't often get to say so, and a lot gets lost in the hurly burly, but I'll be forever grateful.


Sep 22, 2019 at 11:24 PM
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ftllens wrote:
Some with the Marumi 330 Achromat (+3), chain was Sigma C 40 > Hoya UV > 55-77 step up rings > Marumi > Breakthrough X4 Cpl

Min = MFD with Achromat, Max = Infinity Focus with Achromat
Min 3.2
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48770976786_a592671c9a_h.jpg_UWU0396 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 5.6
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48771177342_8cac3a0a6a_h.jpg_UWU0398 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 2.8
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48770978666_6d056907d6_h.jpg_UWU0390 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 5.6
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48770646618_29c64f03b6_h.jpg_UWU0392 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 8
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48771178512_f7b89b4637_h.jpg_UWU0393 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Min 10 coin is about size of quarter
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48776301851_046c18a6e9_h.jpg_UWU0497 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop of above
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48775951868_adecb247c4_h.jpg_UWU0497 1 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Max 5.6
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48776199646_8d44e9349d_h.jpg_UWU0511 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

100% crop of above
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48776199716_2bebd75386_h.jpg_UWU0511 1 by Visual Novel,
...Show more

Does "min" mean the distance which the Sigma has as minimum focus distance, but where the lens is set to whatever it takes to get that distance with the marumi on, or does it mean the lens is set to MFD (but the subject is much closer because of the Marumi)?



Sep 23, 2019 at 12:50 AM
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DavidBM wrote:
Does "min" mean the distance which the Sigma has as minimum focus distance, but where the lens is set to whatever it takes to get that distance with the marumi on, or does it mean the lens is set to MFD (but the subject is much closer because of the Marumi)?


Min means the closest the lens can focus with the Marumi +3 on (since the MFD shifts much closer with it attached). Sorry, I worded it a little confusing, I was just using shorthand.

If you set the Sigma to MFD and attach the Marumi while keeping that distance, it will be out of focus because the focus range shifts with it on.

Max is the farthest away the Sigma can focus with the Marumi attached (with the Sigma being set to infinity focus). Attaching the achromat limits your overall focus range to maybe a foot or so.



Sep 23, 2019 at 02:03 AM
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ftllens wrote:
Min means the closest the lens can focus with the Marumi +3 on (since the MFD shifts much closer with it attached). Sorry, I worded it a little confusing, I was just using shorthand.

If you set the Sigma to MFD and attach the Marumi while keeping that distance, it will be out of focus because the focus range shifts with it on.

Max is the farthest away the Sigma can focus with the Marumi attached (with the Sigma being set to infinity focus). Attaching the achromat limits your overall focus range to maybe a foot or so.


Right. So min is when you put the marumi on, set the Sigma to mfd, and move the camera until the image is in focus.

And Max is where you put the Marumi on, set sigma to infinity, and move the camera until the image is in focus (which will be typically about 33cm for a 3 diopter achromat, and about 50cm for a 2 diopter one.)

I think that something like a 1.6 diopter achromat or even a bit weaker could be useful with the Sigma: allow you to shoot at close portrait distances with the lens set to infinity where it performs best.



Sep 23, 2019 at 03:41 AM
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DavidBM wrote:
Right. So min is when you put the marumi on, set the Sigma to mfd, and move the camera until the image is in focus.

And Max is where you put the Marumi on, set sigma to infinity, and move the camera until the image is in focus (which will be typically about 33cm for a 3 diopter achromat, and about 50cm for a 2 diopter one.)

I think that something like a 1.6 diopter achromat or even a bit weaker could be useful with the Sigma: allow you to shoot at close portrait distances with the lens set to infinity where
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Yep, here is a shot at infinity with the +3 Marumi.

_UWU0749 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Bokeh (low light)

_UWU0752 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

So if you want to fill the frame at infinity for pets and children it will be usable but definitely 1.5-2x if you want adults or some context. That being said after testing the Marumi +5, I ordered a 55mm to tag along whenever I bring the Sigma, since it seems to extend the macro function better and the Sigma is good stopped down at MFD for portraits too. If you'd want to change nature of bokeh it would also be useful to have weaker diopter for more background control.


Sigma (no diop MFD)
_UWU0727 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +3 Infinity
_UWU0729 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +3 MFD
_UWU0730 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +5 Infinity
_UWU0734 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +5 MFD
_UWU0736 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +5 +3 stacked Infinity
_UWU0739 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Marumi +5 +3 stacked MFD
_UWU0742 by Visual Novel, on Flickr

Really liking these Achromats though. Quality seems great!











Sep 25, 2019 at 06:00 PM
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p.24 #16 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


This is a intriguing lens. Either there is massive copy-to-copy variation, or the characteristics vary considerably according to distance, mount, etc. For example,

* https://www.opticallimits.com/sonyalphaff/1068-sigma45f28fe?start=1 finds "The Sigma lens is already pretty sharp across the frame at f/2.8 albeit it doesn't bite yet. The center does bite - hard - at f/4 and f/5.6 and the outer image region is very good indeed at these settings."


* https://www.camerastuffreview.com/nl/sigma-lenstest/sigma-45mm-f2-8-dg-gn

* https://www.lesnumeriques.com/objectif/sigma-45-mm-f-2-8-dg-dn-contemporary-p53135/test.html finds that "The results obtained after measurement show a very good homogeneity of the lens, with the edges and corners of the image almost equivalent to the centre in sharpness, at all apertures. It's very rare, but not surprising, for Sigma, who had already impressed us on this point with lenses like the 40mm f / 1.4 DG HSM Art. Another highlight of this lens is to offer a quality virtually equivalent at all apertures. In the field it is an important point that allows to choose aperture only for its aesthetic implications for the image and not for the best performance of the lens at a given aperture. This is all the more significant as this 45 mm opens at most only f / 2.8. Finally, the measured sharpness values are excellent. We do not have many comparison points for L-mount lenses on the Panasonic S1R yet, but they easily reach the measurements made with the Panasonic S Pro 50mm F1.4."

* https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/sigma-45mm-f28-dg-dn-review "Centre-frame sharpness is average with the lens aperture wide open at f/2.8, but as soon as you stop down to f/4 sharpness becomes very respectable and stays so right through to f/11. Corner sharpness is less outstanding, but still acceptable, even wide open."

* https://www.pcmag.com/review/369976/sigma-45mm-f2-8-dg-dn-contemporary finds that "I tested the 45mm F2.8 with the 42MP Sony a7R III and Imatest software. At f/2.8, the pair resolves 3,715 lines on a center-weighted evaluation, a result that is considered very good for the a7R III sensor. The lens captures images with very even resolution from center to edge, an indication fo a flat field of focus and very strong optics.

There's no noticeable change in resolution when shooting at f/4, just an imperceptible drop to 3,654 lines on average. We see a big jump at f/5.6, where the lens hits 4,349 lines, an excellent result. It peaks at f/8 (4,425 lines), and is just as good (for all practical purposes) at f/11 (4,286 lines).

Diffraction sets in at f/16, with resolution dropping to 3,858 lines. It's more of a concern at f/22—the resolution drops all the way to 3,027 lines on the a7R III. Even if you aren't using a high-resolution body, diffraction will soften shots at f/22."

Their design is said by Sigma to have the following characteristics:

https://www.sigma-sein.com/en/ohsone/45mm-f2-8-dg-dn-contemporary/

1 — The overall MTF performance is lower due to the flares caused by spherical aberrations, but all other aberrations – especially color aberrations – are wonderfully suppressed, resulting in unexpectedly great MTF performance in high frequencies. In other words, the image is covered by a very thin veil, but its optical resolution is extremely high.

2— The remaining aberrations are spherical in nature, meaning that an aperture stopped down two stops already results in an MTF profile to rival our Art series lenses.

3— With our optical design, the spherical aberrations are low towards the infinity focus and increase towards the minimum focusing distance, so we achieved sharpening the distant view area with few bokeh and making soft and beautiful bokeh at the distant view area where many bokeh occurs.

which translates to the following MTF:

https://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/contemporary/c019_45_28/data/

ie, uniform, but not record-breaking performance, flat to the edges, but not the corners.


So this seems to be more of a test of the testers, than the lens...

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Sep 28, 2019 at 01:41 PM
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MTFs for the C/Y mount Zeiss Tessar T* 2,8/45 mm, https://www.zeiss.de/content/dam/camera-lenses/files/service/download-center/datasheets/historical-lenses/contax-yashica/datasheet-zeiss-tessar-2845-de.pdf

Sigma shows 10lp/mm and 30 lp/mm. Zeis shows 10, 20 and 40 lp/mm.

The old Zeiss Tessar can keep up at 10 lp/mm until about 15 mm off axis. Everywhere else Sigma wins. The Sigma 45/2.8 has noticably better MTFs into the corners. All at f/2.8.



Sep 28, 2019 at 03:10 PM
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Goodrich wrote:
This is a intriguing lens. Either there is massive copy-to-copy variation, or the characteristics vary considerably according to distance, mount, etc. For example....

So this seems to be more of a test of the testers, than the lens...


It took me three tries to get a good copy of this lens. The first had mild softness in the top right and left corners. The lens that I exchanged it for, copy 2, was much worse with global peripheral softness and blurring. The final copy, copy 3, the one that I kept, is sharp from f4 and very well centered.

This is why I test my lenses...

Copy 2 at f4:

Sigma 45mm f2.8 DG DN Contemporary at f4, 75 feet


Copy 3 (the copy I kept) at f4:

Sigma 45mm f2.8 DG DN Contemporary at f4, 75 feet



Sep 29, 2019 at 09:37 AM
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smpetty wrote:
It took me three tries to get a good copy of this lens. The first had mild softness in the top right and left corners. The lens that I exchanged it for, copy 2, was much worse with global peripheral softness and blurring. The final copy, copy 3, the one that I kept, is sharp from f4 and very well centered.

This is why I test my lenses...

Copy 2 at f4:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48809172073_1ed5904c46_c.jpgSigma 45mm f2.8 DG DN Contemporary at f4, 75 feet

Copy 3 (the copy I kept) at f4:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48809676162_0f0998e8d3_c.jpgSigma 45mm f2.8 DG DN Contemporary at f4, 75 feet


I bet copy 2 was making nice bokeh though



Sep 29, 2019 at 09:45 AM
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Goodrich wrote:
So this seems to be more of a test of the testers, than the lens...


Putting aside sample variation - and that might not be a good idea according to smpetty - that's exactly what I think about this lens' reviews.

That said I'm less and less convinced that Imatest is of any value to accurately describe a lens' resolution performance. How can you even remotely describe the corner performance of the two lenses below with just one number, given the performance difference in terms of fine / large scale contrast, sagittal / tangential orientation, etc. ?



I'd rather take a set of full res aperture runs on various scenes to evaluate resolution than these tests.



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