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p.21 #1 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Thank you for sharing.

Haha, if you follow S1 thread, you will find only a few snaps after I got this lens, I think I know everything I need to know about this lens This is a really special surprise for me. Only other modern offer similar to this one is 58G, with two stop fast but poorer CA performance.

darrellc wrote:
https://www.sigma-sein.com/en/ohsone/45mm-f2-8-dg-dn-contemporary/

Interesting article from head of Sigma product planning on the lens

Some excerpts from the article:

There we were, unable to raise the MTF performance and unsatisfied with the bokeh, when we received a surprising proposal from our optical engineers in charge: to develop the lens with the highest priority given to its expression of bokeh...

1 — The overall MTF performance is lower due to the flares caused by spherical aberrations, but all other aberrations – especially color aberrations – are wonderfully suppressed, resulting in unexpectedly great MTF performance in high frequencies. In other words, the image is covered by a very
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Sep 11, 2019 at 01:58 PM
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p.21 #2 · Sigma 45mm f/2.8 DG DN Contemporary Review


Is this your photo? Because it's on Dustin's review....

One of you guys needs to give the other credit....

sergun wrote:

Don't know how the new Sony 35/1.8 but Loxia 35 bokeh just "explosion at the pasta factory" ), This Sigma is really quite smooth. Sorry, Dustin not found the background a little better, but still the principle is clear.
F4
https://dustinabbott.net/wp-content/gallery/sigma-45mm-f2-8-samples/Sigma-45-Portraits-4.jpg





Sep 11, 2019 at 02:06 PM
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I didn't get the impression he didn't like it, just that he (and most of the people who commented on the video) wasn't sure exactly where an f/2.8, soft-up-close lens fits in, in the grander scheme. It's not going to be for everyone, but there will be folks who "get" this lens.

cwnchkn wrote:
As far as I can tell Dustin has some beef with the lens, he mentioned he was going to test it against a Tamron zoom in a future video. Probably to do with sharpness and/or AF.





Sep 11, 2019 at 02:11 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Thanks for posting!
This is just incredible as it pretty much describes how the Sigma 45 performs.

Basically, depending on subject distance, one can say the lens produces 'soft' or 'sharp' images.

For those who want very sharp images even at close range, an achromat close-up lens add-on is a simple way to achieve this.
However, for portraits, I very much like the SA look from wide open. This is one of my favorite lenses this year.


I wish it were f/2 though..... and if it's a specialty lens, why stick the "Contemporary" series label on it... should be "Art" or maybe a new series....



Sep 11, 2019 at 02:12 PM
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snapsy wrote:
I love the monochromatic look of your photo, including the subject's clothing vs the surrounding foliage. Fantastic image.

This is not a picture of me and Dustin ) Allocated to it , to show how it looks great on the F4 volume. I agree with the statement that this lens is most interesting for the near plans. z.you Wait for the comparison of Dustin with samyang 45.

p/s Sorry for English is not my native language )




Sep 11, 2019 at 02:13 PM
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No worries! I was just confused

sergun wrote:
This is not a picture of me and Dustin ) Allocated to it , to show how it looks great on the F4 volume. I agree with the statement that this lens is most interesting for the near plans. z.you Wait for the comparison of Dustin with samyang 45.

p/s Sorry for English is not my native language )





Sep 11, 2019 at 02:47 PM
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Hi Michael! Miss you on the Sony Forum, so I do follow your work from time to time on the other forums.

If you’ve time, what’s your summary characterization of differences between the Sigma 45 and 58G (other than the obvious like construction and max aperture)... I’m more interested in your take on qualitative differences between them.

I’m in search of some 58G magic in native Sony mount... love the images from that lens and not keen on picking up a Z6/7 on the cheap used just for this lens.

zhangyue wrote:
Thank you for sharing.

Haha, if you follow S1 thread, you will find only a few snaps after I got this lens, I think I know everything I need to know about this lens This is a really special surprise for me. Only other modern offer similar to this one is 58G, with two stop fast but poorer CA performance.






Sep 11, 2019 at 02:58 PM
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Does anyone have a feel for how likely Sigma will be successful at fixing the AF of this lens? I am flirting with a return window, and while I love the rendering and size, the AF performance is weak. Not sure if I should hang on to it or return it and rebuy when/if the AF is fixed.


Sep 11, 2019 at 09:04 PM
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smpetty wrote:
Does anyone have a feel for how likely Sigma will be successful at fixing the AF of this lens? I am flirting with a return window, and while I love the rendering and size, the AF performance is weak. Not sure if I should hang on to it or return it and rebuy when/if the AF is fixed.


I still have to hear that they fixed the AF with the 6 years old 35/1.4.....



Sep 11, 2019 at 09:08 PM
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smpetty wrote:
Does anyone have a feel for how likely Sigma will be successful at fixing the AF of this lens? I am flirting with a return window, and while I love the rendering and size, the AF performance is weak. Not sure if I should hang on to it or return it and rebuy when/if the AF is fixed.


If in doubt, return it. However, Sigma does release firmware updates for their lenses.



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darrellc wrote:
Hi Michael! Miss you on the Sony Forum, so I do follow your work from time to time on the other forums.

If you’ve time, what’s your summary characterization of differences between the Sigma 45 and 58G (other than the obvious like construction and max aperture)... I’m more interested in your take on qualitative differences between them.

I’m in search of some 58G magic in native Sony mount... love the images from that lens and not keen on picking up a Z6/7 on the cheap used just for this lens.



Hi, Darrellc, Thank you for thinking of me As you can see I really like this little sigma and can clearly see sigma's design effort. The limitation of this lens obviously is f2.8. However, the bokeh is really not just quantity but quality. At close range, this lens give a special glowing around focus plain, and background is very smooth without any stress on corner or double edge. The highlight of this little lens is CA control, maybe it is due to f2.8, it is surprisingly good. It is build at very high quality with aperture ring,(Though, TBH, I never use aperture ring on auto lens) with hood on, it is a serious good looking glass.

If there is any drawback, It is a sharp lens but seems don't have the same bite at small aperture as my other best 50mm lenses, but really, with help from sharpening, there is negligible difference.

As for 58G, it is really qualify as a bokeh king, I can't think of any lens can be rated in front of it in term of bokeh even classic ones. (maybe old medium format ones) At close distance, sigma 45mm's rendering instantly remind me of 58G. My relationship with 58G is growing, like this sigma, focus with PDAF is tricky with this lens, so even with D850, its AF results is not consistent. NO PDAF can deal with this kind of lenses, their SA screw phase detection up. (That is why I have doubt either Sony or Sigma can fix this 45mm AFC issue unless Sony offer hybrid focus in AFC like Z does, though for me personally, I will be happy using it just AFS only. S1's AFC never good anyway.) On Z, it is a lot more consistent in term of focus.

For 58G, at close distance, it glow like 80lux used under same way, if you prefer more sharpness, use it at f1.6~f2.2, you still get best rendering you can hope in this focal, no f2 glass can compete. At mid to long distance, sharpness is really becoming fine even WO and you get the isolation asked for from f1.4 glass. Its biggest problem is CA, IMO. it has two ASPH elements, but no ED glass. It really should include some ED glass at this price to solve CA issue. LoCA will cause bokeh issue. For example, if you have multiple person in frame and one at back of your subject, LoCA will create a blue/green halo around your background person, this is disturbing and hard to correct.

However, at 350g, it is small for what it achieves. The rendering looks like medium format to my eyes if you know what I mean

There were a lots of talk about this lens from Nikon engineers and it won the grand prix award in lens design in Japan at that year it introduced. Even I never own one, I think 105E inherent some its characters and I personally think again it is the best 100mm~135mm bokeh ever been, however, at that focal, it just less interesting to my eyes given everything is out of focus anyway.

here is an interest read if you are looking for 58G information. I can't find Nikon engineer interview at this time.

If you like 58G, I don't think there is one for Sony unless you want try manual focus or use AF adapter.(I have serious doubt it will work well given its SA). If you are willing to stretch focal length a little bit, I think Sony 85GM is one of best Sony glasses in term of Bokeh. I always like that lens. but 58G definitely has stronger character.

And, there is one more option but again not cheap. 50mm Summilux ASPH M, up to now, this is still my favorite 50mm glass, call it perfect balance within performance, rendering and size. I like its rendering as much as 58G though I have to give nod to 58G for ultra smoothness and isolation



Sep 12, 2019 at 12:23 AM
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vdo1 wrote:
I wish it were f/2 though..... and if it's a specialty lens, why stick the "Contemporary" series label on it... should be "Art" or maybe a new series....


In case you don't mind manual focus, the Contax G45, Zeiss Planar 45/2.0 might be an alternative.
Very sharp lens with a lot of contrast, good coating and colors. I even use mine with extension for macros on a Fuji.
Philip has a nice review.
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-zeiss-planar-245-t/



Sep 12, 2019 at 02:32 AM
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Alternatively one may accept the Sigma “as is”. zhangyue nailed it right with the comment that the bokeh is about quality not quantity. So for portraiture of the kind where you want to dissolve the background, this f/2.8 lens won’t help you much, regardless of AF-C working or not. This leaves landscapes and travel (pics of places and people) as the potential main usage. The size and build quality are just perfect for that. AF-S which is essential for this works. And you will never get surprised when inspecting your travel photos at home by some atrocious rendering of your backgrounds. Then if Sigma ever fixes AF-C you can see it as a bonus.
I have recently satiated my GAS with the 35/1.8, but I predict that around Christmas I’ll get restless again so I’ll be all over this little lens, and if there are some discounts by then, the better



Sep 12, 2019 at 05:43 AM
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zhangyue wrote:
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its AF results is not consistent. NO PDAF can deal with this kind of lenses, their SA screw phase detection up. (That is why I have doubt either Sony or Sigma can fix this 45mm AFC issue unless Sony offer hybrid focus in AFC like Z does
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So if the PDAF doesn't work properly due to the SA, wouldn't it help to stop down the lens in AF-C mode?
Has anyone tried to use the lens in AF-C mode at aperture F4 or F5.6?



Sep 12, 2019 at 06:42 AM
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vdo1 wrote:
I wish it were f/2 though.....


While a 45mm f2 lens would have my favourite specs ever in a lens, I'm not sure that we'd get such an interesting lens if it had been faster.
Spherical aberration deteriorates resolution, and also goes away quickly when stopping down.
This makes it a bit of a conundrum to quantitatively balance it with faster lenses.
If it had been an f2 lens, either Sigma would have designed it to preserve as much spherical aberration at f2.8 as the current model, but resolution would have perhaps been poor enough wide open that most lens reviews would have trashed the lens for it (like the Nikon 58). If it had had less spherical aberration to preserve resolution at f2, it wouldn't have had quite as much when stopping down.

Perhaps a solution to this conundrum would be if we saw the return of lenses that can adjust spherical aberration. I'd love to see a lens with a sort of constantly gaussian look in the transition area, even when stopping down.

I hope that this lens will lead lens reviewers to question their practices because most (but not all of course ) so far are missing what it's all about. It's a unique lens, I don't think we've ever had such a combination of solid correction of field dependent aberrations and chromatic aberrations, with lots of spherical aberration. Most older lenses aren't quite as good with the former, and most modern lenses aren't quite as aggressively designed in regards to the latter.

Now dear Sigma I'd love to see a whole series like this please ! I'll gladly take a 28mm f2, 85mm f2.8 and 130mm f4 of that kind.


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Sep 12, 2019 at 07:16 AM
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Hmm.. they are usually manual focus lenses.

MayaTlab wrote:
..I don't think we've ever had such a combination of solid correction of field dependent aberrations and chromatic aberrations, with lots of spherical aberration.


Ask dear Sigma to make them manual focusing to solve the problem.



Sep 12, 2019 at 07:21 AM
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realVivek wrote:
Hmm.. they are usually manual focus lenses.

Ask dear Sigma to make them manual focusing to solve the problem.


I doubt that most other classic MF lenses are as well corrected for things like astigmatism for example...



Sep 12, 2019 at 07:47 AM
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MayaTlab wrote:
I doubt that most other classic MF lenses are as well corrected for things like astigmatism for example...


No but you could have done some other "creative" stuff with them. I fondly remember the vintage Pentax M 50/1.4, it had a different personality at each aperture stop, you could have done everything from stuff resembling Orton effect to sharp landscapes. Add variable veil, glare and tint depending on position to light source, and you can play with it and stay excited for the whole day. Was quite onerous to do such experiments during film days, but now with digital it doesn't matter any more. And yes I still have it but I'd like one with AF, it's so much more expeditive



Sep 12, 2019 at 09:42 AM
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vdo1 wrote:
Alternatively one may accept the Sigma “as is”. zhangyue nailed it right with the comment that the bokeh is about quality not quantity. So for portraiture of the kind where you want to dissolve the background, this f/2.8 lens won’t help you much, regardless of AF-C working or not. This leaves landscapes and travel (pics of places and people) as the potential main usage. The size and build quality are just perfect for that. AF-S which is essential for this works. And you will never get surprised when inspecting your travel photos at home by some atrocious rendering of your
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Honestly the only issue I get from it being only "f/2.8" is the hunting in very low light. (and the lower DR from the extra noise)



Sep 12, 2019 at 11:11 AM
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What I found it helps with AF-C accuracy is to change the camera's 'creative style' settings. This only affects jpeg files so it won't be an issue when shooting in RAW file format.

I have mine set to "Standard" with a bump in sharpness and contrast (+3) for each. I will try the new +5 with the A7R4 once it arrives.



Sep 12, 2019 at 11:20 AM
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