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Archive 2019Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
p.2 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
genji wrote:
Leica Rumors reports that a "Leica M10 Monochrom will be released in 2020 with a new 41MP sensor".
https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/
Last night I attended the opening of a show of photographs by Craig Semetko (https://semetko.com/) at the Leica Store in Sydney. When asked about the M10M, a store employee confirmed both the rumor and my #1 place on the waiting list.
My first thought after reading this was FINALLY a higher resolution sensor in the M-series.....my second thought was that I would rather like to see it in a successor model of the Leica M10 including color photography instead of just in a specialized B&W M-series version first. I am shooting a lot of B&W, but I feel already by not knowing how much the M10M would go for hard pressed to give up on B&W film. The price for the M-series especially new models will likely be around another $6K. And I am simply not willing to spend this kind of money on any kind of digital camera. And then I am thinking okay, I can shoot my M lenses jut fine on my 36 MP based A7R....what would I gain? Yes, another form factor (not a biggie for me), a slightly better wide angle M-lens performance on a dedicated M-series camera (yes, but not worth for this kind of investment). The M10M will likely be visibly better for digital B&W compared to any other digital FF camera on the market but regarding B&W tonality I can still accomplish more with B&W film, and for resolution if needed I shoot medium-format B&W film.
Leica Rumors reports that a "Leica M10 Monochrom will be released in 2020 with a new 41MP sensor".
https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/
Last night I attended the opening of a show of photographs by Craig Semetko (https://semetko.com/) at the Leica Store in Sydney. When asked about the M10M, a store employee confirmed both the rumor and my #1 place on the waiting list.
My first thought after reading this was FINALLY a higher resolution sensor in the M-series.....my second thought was that I would rather like to see it in a successor model of the Leica M10 including color photography instead of just in a specialized B&W M-series version first. I am shooting a lot of B&W, but I feel already by not knowing how much the M10M would go for hard pressed to give up on B&W film. The price for the M-series especially new models will likely be around another $6K. And I am simply not willing to spend this kind of money on any kind of digital camera. And then I am thinking okay, I can shoot my M lenses jut fine on my 36 MP based A7R....what would I gain? Yes, another form factor (not a biggie for me), a slightly better wide angle M-lens performance on a dedicated M-series camera (yes, but not worth for this kind of investment). The M10M will likely be visibly better for digital B&W compared to any other digital FF camera on the market but regarding B&W tonality I can still accomplish more with B&W film, and for resolution if needed I shoot medium-format B&W film.
Nov 01, 2019 at 06:33 PM
p.2 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
imagesfromobjects wrote:
I don't want to flame Sony - I own (and LOVE) an a7S, as well as an RX100 m3. They are truly marvels of science and I've been very happy with the images I've captured- especially using the a7S in zero llght with a Nokton 40/1.2.
But, as above, I'm not salivating over the new A7RIV. The overwhelming chorus since the first gen Sony's has been about "ergonomics", mostly from DSLR users who are accustomed to larger camera bodies. Sony heeded this call and the 7's have gotten progressively bigger. I don't want bigger! The first-gen a7S, with the "slim" grip...Show more →
+1. My words, too. My dream camera would be either a Leica M with modern Sony FF sensor for a Sony price tag, or a Sony A7R IV with rangefinder style. Both are illusions that it will ever become reality.
Same concern as you have in regard to depreciation. My film Leica M cameras have increased in price between 50 (Leica M3), to 70 (Leica M7), and to more than 100% (Leica M6) of their original sales price from when I bought them in 2016 and after. Love using my M-cameras but could easily sell them with gain. The only benefit digital Leica M still has is that even with depreciation accounted for, you can still make up for about 60% of your original investment cost after multiple years. No other digital camera brand does the same - especially Sony cameras drop like a rock in used pricing when new models are released (selling my A7R now after 5 years of usage would only give me back < 20% of my initial investment.
I don't want to flame Sony - I own (and LOVE) an a7S, as well as an RX100 m3. They are truly marvels of science and I've been very happy with the images I've captured- especially using the a7S in zero llght with a Nokton 40/1.2.
But, as above, I'm not salivating over the new A7RIV. The overwhelming chorus since the first gen Sony's has been about "ergonomics", mostly from DSLR users who are accustomed to larger camera bodies. Sony heeded this call and the 7's have gotten progressively bigger. I don't want bigger! The first-gen a7S, with the "slim" grip...Show more →
+1. My words, too. My dream camera would be either a Leica M with modern Sony FF sensor for a Sony price tag, or a Sony A7R IV with rangefinder style. Both are illusions that it will ever become reality.
Same concern as you have in regard to depreciation. My film Leica M cameras have increased in price between 50 (Leica M3), to 70 (Leica M7), and to more than 100% (Leica M6) of their original sales price from when I bought them in 2016 and after. Love using my M-cameras but could easily sell them with gain. The only benefit digital Leica M still has is that even with depreciation accounted for, you can still make up for about 60% of your original investment cost after multiple years. No other digital camera brand does the same - especially Sony cameras drop like a rock in used pricing when new models are released (selling my A7R now after 5 years of usage would only give me back < 20% of my initial investment.
Nov 01, 2019 at 06:47 PM
p.2 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
daleg wrote:
I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...Glad to see this thread and its activity in such a short time. About 2-3 years ago, in a nostalgic frame of mind, I decided to re-visit film photography and re-acquired a Nikon F Photomic FTn - and resumed soaking and scanning film - after a decade or longer hiatus.
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if...Show more →
After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
Dale
genji wrote
Inspired by the separate Drone Images and Discussion threads, I’ve been thinking for a while now that it might be useful to have a thread devoted to discussions about the various Leica camera systems and lenses. ... Rather I’m hoping this new thread will encourage conversations about technical, philosophical, or other issues of interest to Leica users.I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if...Show more →
After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
Dale
Dec 31, 2019 at 10:47 PM
p.2 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
daleg wrote:
I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now.
Glad you finally bought a digital M. The M240 is very good.
BTW, I do not know the Ultron 35/2 but the 50/1.2 ASPH is not a decent lens. It is an excellent lens better than most Leica 50mm including the 50/1.4 ASPH (I have both).
I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now.
Glad you finally bought a digital M. The M240 is very good.
BTW, I do not know the Ultron 35/2 but the 50/1.2 ASPH is not a decent lens. It is an excellent lens better than most Leica 50mm including the 50/1.4 ASPH (I have both).
Jan 01, 2020 at 04:35 AM
p.2 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
daleg wrote:
I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...Glad to see this thread and its activity in such a short time. About 2-3 years ago, in a nostalgic frame of mind, I decided to re-visit film photography and re-acquired a Nikon F Photomic FTn - and resumed soaking and scanning film - after a decade or longer hiatus.
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240...Show more →
Sorry to hear about your M10-P misfortunes but doubtless the M240 will serve you equally well. For reasons I honestly don't understand, I was tempted to try shooting film and got out a Leica R8 that has lain dormant on a shelf for a considerable amount of time. I loaded it with TMax P3200 and took a few frames with each of the Summilux-R lenses I have, the 35mm and the 80mm. But the size and weight of the R8 and those heavy lenses plus the difficulty of focusing in interior light soured me on the R8. Rather than give up I switched to a Minolta XD7 with one of Phillip Reeve's favourite lenses, the unassuming Rokkor PF 55/1.8 and was much happier. Shooting film with a much smaller and lighter camera has, as one might expect, convinced me to pick up a Leica film body and now I'm having difficulty deciding between an M2, an M4, an M4-P, or an M6 TTL.
daleg wrote
genji wrote
Inspired by the separate Drone Images and Discussion threads, I’ve been thinking for a while now that it might be useful to have a thread devoted to discussions about the various Leica camera systems and lenses. ... Rather I’m hoping this new thread will encourage conversations about technical, philosophical, or other issues of interest to Leica users.I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240...Show more →
Sorry to hear about your M10-P misfortunes but doubtless the M240 will serve you equally well. For reasons I honestly don't understand, I was tempted to try shooting film and got out a Leica R8 that has lain dormant on a shelf for a considerable amount of time. I loaded it with TMax P3200 and took a few frames with each of the Summilux-R lenses I have, the 35mm and the 80mm. But the size and weight of the R8 and those heavy lenses plus the difficulty of focusing in interior light soured me on the R8. Rather than give up I switched to a Minolta XD7 with one of Phillip Reeve's favourite lenses, the unassuming Rokkor PF 55/1.8 and was much happier. Shooting film with a much smaller and lighter camera has, as one might expect, convinced me to pick up a Leica film body and now I'm having difficulty deciding between an M2, an M4, an M4-P, or an M6 TTL.
Jan 01, 2020 at 04:55 AM
p.2 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
genji wrote:
I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...Glad to see this thread and its activity in such a short time. About 2-3 years ago, in a nostalgic frame of mind, I decided to re-visit film photography and re-acquired a Nikon F Photomic FTn - and resumed soaking and scanning film - after a decade or longer hiatus.
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
DaleSorry to hear about your M10-P misfortunes but doubtless the M240 will serve you equally well. For reasons I honestly don't understand, I was tempted to try shooting film and got out a Leica R8 that has lain dormant on a shelf for a considerable amount of time. I loaded it with TMax P3200 and took a few frames with each of the Summilux-R lenses I have, the 35mm and the 80mm. But the size and weight of the R8 and those heavy lenses plus the difficulty of focusing in interior light soured me on the R8. Rather than give...Show more →
If you want to use your R lenses and a Leica R camera, consider any of the R4, R4SP, R5, R6, R6.2, or R7 cameras. All much smaller than the R8 which I still have (I have an R4SP and R7) and haven't used them in years. But the cameras are built on the Minolta XD11 chasis and are quite small and light and inexpensive. They are approaching the Olympus OM series camera size.
Rich
daleg wrote
daleg wrote
genji wrote
Inspired by the separate Drone Images and Discussion threads, I’ve been thinking for a while now that it might be useful to have a thread devoted to discussions about the various Leica camera systems and lenses. ... Rather I’m hoping this new thread will encourage conversations about technical, philosophical, or other issues of interest to Leica users.I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
Dale
If you want to use your R lenses and a Leica R camera, consider any of the R4, R4SP, R5, R6, R6.2, or R7 cameras. All much smaller than the R8 which I still have (I have an R4SP and R7) and haven't used them in years. But the cameras are built on the Minolta XD11 chasis and are quite small and light and inexpensive. They are approaching the Olympus OM series camera size.
Rich
Jan 01, 2020 at 08:22 AM
p.2 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
naturephoto1 wrote:
I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...Glad to see this thread and its activity in such a short time. About 2-3 years ago, in a nostalgic frame of mind, I decided to re-visit film photography and re-acquired a Nikon F Photomic FTn - and resumed soaking and scanning film - after a decade or longer hiatus.
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
DaleSorry to hear about your M10-P misfortunes but doubtless the M240 will serve you equally well. For reasons I honestly don't understand, I was tempted to try shooting film and got out a Leica R8 that has lain dormant on a shelf for a considerable amount of time. I loaded it with TMax P3200 and took a few frames with each of the Summilux-R lenses I have, the 35mm and the 80mm. But the size and weight of the R8 and those heavy lenses plus the difficulty of focusing in interior light soured me on the R8. Rather than give up I switched to a Minolta XD7 with one of Phillip Reeve's favourite lenses, the unassuming Rokkor PF 55/1.8 and was much happier. Shooting film with a much smaller and lighter camera has, as one might expect, convinced me to pick up a Leica film body and now I'm having difficulty deciding between an M2, an M4, an M4-P, or an M6 TTL.If you want to use your R lenses and a Leica R camera, consider any of the R4, R4SP, R5, R6, R6.2, or R7 cameras. All much smaller than the R8 which I still have (I have an R4SP and R7) and haven't used them in years. But the cameras are built on the Minolta XD11 chasis and are quite small and light and inexpensive. They are approaching the Olympus OM series camera size.
Rich
Thanks, Rich, that's an excellent suggestion which, frankly, I would never have considered. Initially, I was inclined to dismiss it on the grounds that the Summilux-R lenses (35mm & 80mm) would still be unwieldy on a smaller, lighter R body but upon consideration I realise that this might not necessarily be the case. And, as you say, the R4 through R7 bodies are inexpensive enough to make it worth trying one out.
genji wrote
daleg wrote
daleg wrote
genji wrote
Inspired by the separate Drone Images and Discussion threads, I’ve been thinking for a while now that it might be useful to have a thread devoted to discussions about the various Leica camera systems and lenses. ... Rather I’m hoping this new thread will encourage conversations about technical, philosophical, or other issues of interest to Leica users.I was prompted to start this thread today after watching the live announcement of the Sony A7R IV camera last night...
Months later, after adding another 7 nikon film bodies, I bought my first ever Leica - an iconic and CLA'd M3 with Summicron 50/2 DR w/goggles. Epic. I now fear that the seeds of my eventual Leica downfall were then sown.
Most of my photography remains digital. I "normally" (as if anything is ever "normal") shoot with Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony RX sensor bodies. More and more, I've gravitated to the lighter, less obtrusive Fuji X trans bodies and their XF series lenses.
I have two distinct yearnings as a result of running film through my M3: first, an interest in obtaining a metered M6 and 35/2 'cron (my FL of choice) - note, this yearning remains. and also, most frighteningly - financially speaking, the nagging curiosity for what it would be like (leica?) to shoot with Leica glass and a Leica digital sensor/body. Hmmm and big gulp.
Then Leica introduced the Q2 and prices on the original Q instantly become more friendly! Then, last night, I purchased a gorgeous (no bias here) Leica Q-P - that's barely escaped from its packaging. So, I now await the arrival (why isn't it here yet?) of my second Leica gateway drug.
Again, nice thread. Will follow until my ultimate demise!
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240 with Leica grip and EVF-2. Clean and nice. I added 2 CV lenses - the Ultron 35/2 ASPH and the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH - both decent lenses for now. My final and only other Leica transaction was to add a "Barnack" IIIf with a pretty clean Summitar 50/2. Like I needed another challenge. If it is half as rewarding as the M3, I'll be thrilled.
No specific thoughts for 2020 - at least presently. I'm still recovering from the M10-P debacles. Ugh. Perhaps by years end I'll consider a metered M film body and maybe a 35 'cron, no hurry for now.
Happy new year to fellow Leica-phile fans.
Dale
Rich
Thanks, Rich, that's an excellent suggestion which, frankly, I would never have considered. Initially, I was inclined to dismiss it on the grounds that the Summilux-R lenses (35mm & 80mm) would still be unwieldy on a smaller, lighter R body but upon consideration I realise that this might not necessarily be the case. And, as you say, the R4 through R7 bodies are inexpensive enough to make it worth trying one out.
Jan 02, 2020 at 02:33 AM
p.2 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
daleg wrote:
After several months since this first Leica post, perhaps it's time for a short update as 2019 comes to a close.Initially, the M10 - particularly the black P version - drew me as a moth to the flame. Twice, I negotiated a purchase and even paid the seller. Talk about exciting. Omitting the details which were beyond my control - as there's no point going there in both cases, after fully negotiating the transactions, I had to request refunds, cancelling the transactions. Major disappointments. Not close to fun. Ugh.
Lowering my objective a notch, I purchased a low mileage M240...Show more →
I'm curious why the M10-P fell through. Was it problems with the sellers or was there something about the camera that didn't meet expectations?
Jan 09, 2020 at 01:29 AM
p.2 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
There were aspects re each transaction - serious enough - to cause me to decide to cancel and back out. I wanted out more than I wanted the cameras. I've no need or desire to say anything negative about those sellers, so that's all I'll say.
Jan 09, 2020 at 02:19 AM
p.2 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
I have an M10 which I love to shoot with EVF, but also rely on rangefinder focusing for fast street photography... in my travels I shoot more on the A7R, now the A7RIV, and in some instances like airshows, rely only on the A7R4, Canon before...I will conciously take more images with the M10 in my travels next week.
I just found out this thread, thanks for starting...I have used range finder film cameras before, Voightlander my first 35 mm, Leica CIII and Leica M3, I still use the Elmarit 28 from the M3 on the M10.
I just found out this thread, thanks for starting...I have used range finder film cameras before, Voightlander my first 35 mm, Leica CIII and Leica M3, I still use the Elmarit 28 from the M3 on the M10.
Jan 10, 2020 at 06:53 PM
p.2 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
I don't see the appeal of the M10-P when you can get a mint M10 for $4500 used. I have 2 and have come to prefer the plain top. I did replace the red dots with black, but only because I had to adjust the vertical RF alignment on both cameras (both bought new). My shutters are pretty quiet!
Jan 11, 2020 at 10:49 AM
p.2 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
Only the built-in level gauge on the M10P appeals to me over what my M10 has. However, to be realistic, I often skew my images intentionally — intuitively, in the zen sense — and absolute rectilinear accuracy is not that important for the overwhelming bulk of my photography: when I do need it, I can do a minor crop to level the image. The script on the top plate strikes me as Leica-kitsch, although I confess that I do like it on my M3! And a piece of black electrical covers the red Leica logo-disk of my M10, although in the tropical heat of Thailand it occasionally slips a bit.
Now, I'm also deaf to the siren call of the M10M: The gamut of tonality, gradation and resolution where I want to be is in the two images below, and for that, my M10 is perfectly adequate. Also, I prefer the greater flexibility of digital filters from processing than from glass contrast filters. I had the M-Monochrom and prefer the M10, also for having the choice of using the color version of the image whenever I want. Of course, the full quality of these images cannot be seen in the JPGs, but these can be printed at 100 x 150 cm without difficulty. However, I understand that others do want the added resolution and possibly smoother gradation: Joakim's landscape work comes to mind. Otherwise, I generally feel that too many people equate technical image quality with good photography.
M10 | DR Summicron 50 | ISO 400 | f/5.6 | 1/60 sec | Bangkok
Bangkok — Empire of Signs
M10 | DR Summicron 50 | ISO 400 | f/5.6 | 1/60 sec | Bangkok
Bangkok — Empire of Signs
Now, I'm also deaf to the siren call of the M10M: The gamut of tonality, gradation and resolution where I want to be is in the two images below, and for that, my M10 is perfectly adequate. Also, I prefer the greater flexibility of digital filters from processing than from glass contrast filters. I had the M-Monochrom and prefer the M10, also for having the choice of using the color version of the image whenever I want. Of course, the full quality of these images cannot be seen in the JPGs, but these can be printed at 100 x 150 cm without difficulty. However, I understand that others do want the added resolution and possibly smoother gradation: Joakim's landscape work comes to mind. Otherwise, I generally feel that too many people equate technical image quality with good photography.
M10 | DR Summicron 50 | ISO 400 | f/5.6 | 1/60 sec | Bangkok
Bangkok — Empire of Signs
M10 | DR Summicron 50 | ISO 400 | f/5.6 | 1/60 sec | Bangkok
Bangkok — Empire of Signs
Jan 11, 2020 at 09:21 PM
p.2 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q Discussion Thread
genji wrote:
Leica Rumors reports that a "Leica M10 Monochrom will be released in 2020 with a new 41MP sensor".
https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/
Last night I attended the opening of a show of photographs by Craig Semetko (https://semetko.com/) at the Leica Store in Sydney. When asked about the M10M, a store employee confirmed both the rumor and my #1 place on the waiting list.
Leica Rumours says this Friday is the announcement.
Leica Mononochrom M10M
Hopefully they also announce when it will be available and price.
Leica Rumors reports that a "Leica M10 Monochrom will be released in 2020 with a new 41MP sensor".
https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/
Last night I attended the opening of a show of photographs by Craig Semetko (https://semetko.com/) at the Leica Store in Sydney. When asked about the M10M, a store employee confirmed both the rumor and my #1 place on the waiting list.
Leica Rumours says this Friday is the announcement.
Leica Mononochrom M10M
Hopefully they also announce when it will be available and price.
Jan 13, 2020 at 03:14 PM