Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
p.44 #1Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
zalmyb wrote:
...can anyone help with an adapter to Sony that is accurate at infinity (ie infinity on the lens is infinity in practice?). I have 2 and both focus past infinity, which makes focusing by distance, zone, or hyperlocal, more complicated than it should be...
With any macro helicoid adapter you can use the helicoid to set infinity to the hard stop each time you mount a lens. All macro helicoid adapters have very stiff helicoid ring movement, so once you set infinity, it should stay there:
– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used the macro function and moved the helicoid
Another option: Hawk's Factory macro adapters for M lenses have a hardware-adjustable infinity position. I have one for M to Leica L-mount, and it works great. The official Hawk's Factory site should be avoided – they're indefinitely backlogged and your order will just sit there with no contact from the company. I don't see an E-mount version for sale on eBay right now, though.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1748773
Some people shim their adapters to get perfect infinity focus, but that's a bridge too far for me – I don't want to risk ending up with a slightly tilted plane of focus.
...can anyone help with an adapter to Sony that is accurate at infinity (ie infinity on the lens is infinity in practice?). I have 2 and both focus past infinity, which makes focusing by distance, zone, or hyperlocal, more complicated than it should be...
With any macro helicoid adapter you can use the helicoid to set infinity to the hard stop each time you mount a lens. All macro helicoid adapters have very stiff helicoid ring movement, so once you set infinity, it should stay there:
– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used the macro function and moved the helicoid
Another option: Hawk's Factory macro adapters for M lenses have a hardware-adjustable infinity position. I have one for M to Leica L-mount, and it works great. The official Hawk's Factory site should be avoided – they're indefinitely backlogged and your order will just sit there with no contact from the company. I don't see an E-mount version for sale on eBay right now, though.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1748773
Some people shim their adapters to get perfect infinity focus, but that's a bridge too far for me – I don't want to risk ending up with a slightly tilted plane of focus.
Mar 29, 2022 at 12:14 PM
p.44 #2Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
highdesertmesa wrote:
With any macro helicoid adapter you can use the helicoid to set infinity to the hard stop each time you mount a lens. All macro helicoid adapters have very stiff helicoid ring movement, so once you set infinity, it should stay there:
– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used...Show more →
Thank you!! I have been doing that, but worried it could easily change... but you're right, it is pretty rigid. Not a long term solution (as I'd need to make sure it was "calibrated" before doing important work and that takes time and I'd forget...) but should work for now.
I'll keep an eye out on the hawks factory one.
another thing I realized is that since the lens has floating elements, for optimum image quality I'd have to make sure infinity was calibrated (right?).
zalmyb wrote
...can anyone help with an adapter to Sony that is accurate at infinity (ie infinity on the lens is infinity in practice?). I have 2 and both focus past infinity, which makes focusing by distance, zone, or hyperlocal, more complicated than it should be...– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used...Show more →
Thank you!! I have been doing that, but worried it could easily change... but you're right, it is pretty rigid. Not a long term solution (as I'd need to make sure it was "calibrated" before doing important work and that takes time and I'd forget...) but should work for now.
I'll keep an eye out on the hawks factory one.
another thing I realized is that since the lens has floating elements, for optimum image quality I'd have to make sure infinity was calibrated (right?).
Apr 01, 2022 at 01:18 PM
p.44 #3Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
zalmyb wrote:
With any macro helicoid adapter you can use the helicoid to set infinity to the hard stop each time you mount a lens. All macro helicoid adapters have very stiff helicoid ring movement, so once you set infinity, it should stay there:
– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used the macro function and moved the helicoid
Another option: Hawk's Factory macro adapters for M lenses have a hardware-adjustable infinity position. I have one for M to Leica L-mount, and it works great. The official Hawk's Factory site should be avoided – they're indefinitely backlogged and your order will just sit there with no contact from the company. I don't see an E-mount version for sale on eBay right now, though.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1748773
Some people shim their adapters to get perfect infinity focus, but that's a bridge too far for me – I don't want to risk ending up with a slightly tilted plane of focus.Thank you!! I have been doing that, but worried it could easily change... but you're right, it is pretty rigid. Not a long term solution (as I'd need to make sure it was "calibrated" before doing important work and that takes time and I'd forget...) but should work for now.
I'll keep an eye out on the hawks factory one.
another thing I realized is that since the lens has floating elements, for optimum image quality I'd have to make sure infinity was calibrated (right?).
It’s probably more important to set infinity with the helicoid before shooting serious landscape work (affects corners) and at or near MFD where the floating elements are supposed to be doing heavy optical corrections. It depends on how far off the adapter is to begin with. I’ve had adapters that were only the smallest nudge from letting the lens hit infinity at the hard stop and some that were so far off it was laughable.
highdesertmesa wrote
zalmyb wrote
...can anyone help with an adapter to Sony that is accurate at infinity (ie infinity on the lens is infinity in practice?). I have 2 and both focus past infinity, which makes focusing by distance, zone, or hyperlocal, more complicated than it should be...– Attach lens and set lens focus ring to infinity hard stop
– Set lens to widest aperture
– Use EVF to zoom in to infinity/horizon
– Without moving the lens focus ring, move the helicoid until infinity focus is perfect
– Don't move the helicoid again and use the lens normally
– Repeat each time you mount a lens and/or after you've used the macro function and moved the helicoid
Another option: Hawk's Factory macro adapters for M lenses have a hardware-adjustable infinity position. I have one for M to Leica L-mount, and it works great. The official Hawk's Factory site should be avoided – they're indefinitely backlogged and your order will just sit there with no contact from the company. I don't see an E-mount version for sale on eBay right now, though.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1748773
Some people shim their adapters to get perfect infinity focus, but that's a bridge too far for me – I don't want to risk ending up with a slightly tilted plane of focus.
I'll keep an eye out on the hawks factory one.
another thing I realized is that since the lens has floating elements, for optimum image quality I'd have to make sure infinity was calibrated (right?).
It’s probably more important to set infinity with the helicoid before shooting serious landscape work (affects corners) and at or near MFD where the floating elements are supposed to be doing heavy optical corrections. It depends on how far off the adapter is to begin with. I’ve had adapters that were only the smallest nudge from letting the lens hit infinity at the hard stop and some that were so far off it was laughable.
Apr 02, 2022 at 09:39 AM
p.44 #5Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
rscheffler wrote:
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux.
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.
“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux.
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)
Apr 08, 2022 at 08:07 PM
p.44 #6Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
RexGig0 wrote:
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)
Just get the Nokton. It's a steal for the performance it provides.
If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
rscheffler wrote
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux. (hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.Just get the Nokton. It's a steal for the performance it provides.
If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
Apr 08, 2022 at 08:10 PM
p.44 #7Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)Just get the Nokton. It's a steal for the performance it provides.
If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
I have done this, one larger lens for the performance, and another for the portability, in the same focal length, already, at 35mm, so, I could do the same at 21mm, with a rule-the-night lens, and a more-portable lens.
RexGig0 wrote
rscheffler wrote
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux. (hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
I have done this, one larger lens for the performance, and another for the portability, in the same focal length, already, at 35mm, so, I could do the same at 21mm, with a rule-the-night lens, and a more-portable lens.
Apr 09, 2022 at 12:49 PM
p.44 #8Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)Just get the Nokton. It's a steal for the performance it provides.
If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
Good advice, but, well, what to do with these Leica Serie VIII filters, that I have been accumulating?
RexGig0 wrote
rscheffler wrote
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux. (hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
Good advice, but, well, what to do with these Leica Serie VIII filters, that I have been accumulating?
Apr 10, 2022 at 11:17 PM
p.44 #10Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
RexGig0 wrote:
(hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.“Liked” for the usefulness and relevance of your information, not because it was what I wanted to read. The Summilux-M 21mm ASPH has been one of my grail-quest lenses, for a while. Thanks for helping to “talk me down.” Better to pay half as much for the SEM, or, if I really need f/1.4, for low light, or the DOF, the Nokton. (Even a pre-owned Summilux-M 21mm ASPH costs twice as much as an SEM.)Just get the Nokton. It's a steal for the performance it provides.
If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.Good advice, but, well, what to do with these Leica Serie VIII filters, that I have been accumulating?
I found an adapter that holds a Serie VIII filter, and threads onto E72 threads. So, assuming that I never own a Summilux-M 21mm ASPH, I will be able to use my Serie VIII filters, on threaded lenses and adapters. The Leica part number is 14165. I just ordered one, pre-owned, from Roberts Camera.
Fred Miranda wrote
RexGig0 wrote
rscheffler wrote
You should see the mid-zone of the 21 Lux. (hint: not good!) Unfortunately (for me) the Lux shows its age. I agree the SEM is a jewel of a lens.If you really like shooting 21mm, get the SEM as well for portability.
I found an adapter that holds a Serie VIII filter, and threads onto E72 threads. So, assuming that I never own a Summilux-M 21mm ASPH, I will be able to use my Serie VIII filters, on threaded lenses and adapters. The Leica part number is 14165. I just ordered one, pre-owned, from Roberts Camera.
Apr 27, 2022 at 05:05 PM
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p.44 #15Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
^¿tinto de verano? ¡It's not quite summer!
May 09, 2022 at 11:06 PM
p.44 #16Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
sirimiri wrote:
^¿tinto de verano? ¡It's not quite summer!
, it was 70 degrees and we had tinto de verano every hour..!
^¿tinto de verano? ¡It's not quite summer!
, it was 70 degrees and we had tinto de verano every hour..! May 10, 2022 at 05:41 PM
p.44 #17Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
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May 11, 2022 at 12:29 AM
p.44 #18Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
I have been following Camera Quest’s evil-bay store, as a way to monitor the availability of the 50mm f/1.0 and 21mm f/1.4 Noktons. I saw the 50mm f/1.0 appear in my feed, several days ago. I saw that there was only one 21mm Nokton remaining, in stock. This morning, rather than continue to struggle with which one to buy, first, I ordered one of each.
May 24, 2022 at 10:17 AM
