Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
p.19 #1Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
mudlake wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.
First of all - really nice family picture you took here!
About your impressions concerning the result in crop-mode respectively the use as a moderate wide angle,
actually I am not surprised at all.
The crop abilities of your Sony a7r3 is very well known and the sharpness and qualities of these great new wide angles really make this use as as cropped moderate wide angle very possible!
So not only tele lenses become much more versatile!
The GM 24mm 1.4 is also a good example for this usefulness
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
First of all - really nice family picture you took here!
About your impressions concerning the result in crop-mode respectively the use as a moderate wide angle,
actually I am not surprised at all.
The crop abilities of your Sony a7r3 is very well known and the sharpness and qualities of these great new wide angles really make this use as as cropped moderate wide angle very possible!
So not only tele lenses become much more versatile!
The GM 24mm 1.4 is also a good example for this usefulness
Aug 12, 2019 at 01:53 AM
p.19 #2Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
mudlake wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.
Nice family picture with the King Charles. I have one too.
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
Nice family picture with the King Charles. I have one too.
Aug 12, 2019 at 03:29 AM
p.19 #3Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
pdmphoto wrote:
I don't prefer the sunstars this lens produces. They are not well defined, have color/blobs in or around them, and I just find them to look to skinny and small (the size might be OK, but the sunstar spikes are too skiny - remind me of a cheap sunstar filter). I'd take a Loxia 21 sunstar any day.
..here is the same image taken with the Loxia - is the sunstar realy better?
Baum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
I don't prefer the sunstars this lens produces. They are not well defined, have color/blobs in or around them, and I just find them to look to skinny and small (the size might be OK, but the sunstar spikes are too skiny - remind me of a cheap sunstar filter). I'd take a Loxia 21 sunstar any day.
..here is the same image taken with the Loxia - is the sunstar realy better?
Baum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf FlickrAug 12, 2019 at 03:32 AM
p.19 #4Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
nikonos6 wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.First of all - really nice family picture you took here!
About your impressions concerning the result in crop-mode respectively the use as a moderate wide angle,
actually I am not surprised at all.
The crop abilities of your Sony a7r3 is very well known and the sharpness and qualities of these great new wide angles really make this use as as cropped moderate wide angle very possible!
So not only tele lenses become much more versatile!
The GM 24mm 1.4 is also a good example for this usefulness
Yup, and the 24GM will just get better on the Riv
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
About your impressions concerning the result in crop-mode respectively the use as a moderate wide angle,
actually I am not surprised at all.
The crop abilities of your Sony a7r3 is very well known and the sharpness and qualities of these great new wide angles really make this use as as cropped moderate wide angle very possible!
So not only tele lenses become much more versatile!
The GM 24mm 1.4 is also a good example for this usefulness
Yup, and the 24GM will just get better on the Riv
Aug 12, 2019 at 03:42 AM
p.19 #5Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
abase21 wrote:
..here is the same image taken with the Loxia - is the sunstar realy better?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47957066117_9e860080e4_h.jpgBaum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
I don't think it is a matter of one being "better",it's just what one prefers. I prefer the CV stars, but again that doesn't mean the Loxia is bad.
pdmphoto wrote
I don't prefer the sunstars this lens produces. They are not well defined, have color/blobs in or around them, and I just find them to look to skinny and small (the size might be OK, but the sunstar spikes are too skiny - remind me of a cheap sunstar filter). I'd take a Loxia 21 sunstar any day.https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47957066117_9e860080e4_h.jpgBaum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
I don't think it is a matter of one being "better",it's just what one prefers. I prefer the CV stars, but again that doesn't mean the Loxia is bad.
Aug 12, 2019 at 03:50 AM
p.19 #6Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
abase21 wrote:
..here is the same image taken with the Loxia - is the sunstar realy better?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47957066117_9e860080e4_h.jpgBaum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
That sunstar is not from a Loxia. The Loxia lenses all have 10 point sunstars.
pdmphoto wrote
I don't prefer the sunstars this lens produces. They are not well defined, have color/blobs in or around them, and I just find them to look to skinny and small (the size might be OK, but the sunstar spikes are too skiny - remind me of a cheap sunstar filter). I'd take a Loxia 21 sunstar any day.https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47957066117_9e860080e4_h.jpgBaum in der Morgensonne by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
That sunstar is not from a Loxia. The Loxia lenses all have 10 point sunstars.
Aug 12, 2019 at 06:12 AM
p.19 #7Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
mudlake wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.
I like this family portrait a lot, but you really need the very distant background on this shot. If you use the 21 f/3.5 in crop mode, then your depth of field even wide open is that of an f/5 lens not in crop mode. You also will lose dynamic range (about a stop) and the highest ISO before noise becomes bothersome will be about a stop less. As your shot illustrates there are still lots of applications where this won't matter, but there will be other situations in which it will.
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
I like this family portrait a lot, but you really need the very distant background on this shot. If you use the 21 f/3.5 in crop mode, then your depth of field even wide open is that of an f/5 lens not in crop mode. You also will lose dynamic range (about a stop) and the highest ISO before noise becomes bothersome will be about a stop less. As your shot illustrates there are still lots of applications where this won't matter, but there will be other situations in which it will.
Aug 12, 2019 at 06:18 AM
p.19 #8Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Another test of this wonderful lens. This one is a 5 shot panorama, handheld.
Aug 12, 2019 at 08:47 AM
p.19 #9Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
rji2goleez wrote:
Another test of this wonderful lens. This one is a 5 shot panorama, handheld.
Hot damn i like this one.
Okay enough your making the rest of us look bad.
Just kidding
Need to get out and shoot. So hot here
Another test of this wonderful lens. This one is a 5 shot panorama, handheld.
Hot damn i like this one.
Okay enough your making the rest of us look bad.
Just kidding
Need to get out and shoot. So hot here
Aug 12, 2019 at 08:50 AM
p.19 #10Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
GMPhotography wrote:
Hot damn i like this one.
Okay enough your making the rest of us look bad.
Just kidding
Need to get out and shoot. So hot here
Thanks! And I feel like I haven’t been out shooting enough!
rji2goleez wrote
Another test of this wonderful lens. This one is a 5 shot panorama, handheld.Okay enough your making the rest of us look bad.
Just kidding
Need to get out and shoot. So hot here
Thanks! And I feel like I haven’t been out shooting enough!
Aug 12, 2019 at 08:51 AM
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p.19 #11Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Well this lens fuels the fire for me. Now i got the 75 coming I'm in a nice place to get the juices flowing. For me its a burn out thing. Ive been fighting it for decades.
This is exactly why I have 2 lens kits one for me and one for work. I know its weird
This is exactly why I have 2 lens kits one for me and one for work. I know its weird
Aug 12, 2019 at 08:55 AM
p.19 #12Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
That sunstar is not from a Loxia. The Loxia lenses all have 10 point sunstars.
sorry - you are right! The image was from the 24mm GM
Here is the image from the Loxia
Morgensonne mit Loxia 21mm by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
On flickr. you can see the exifs
sorry - you are right! The image was from the 24mm GM
Here is the image from the Loxia
Morgensonne mit Loxia 21mm by H. Wiedow, auf FlickrOn flickr. you can see the exifs
Aug 12, 2019 at 09:01 AM
p.19 #13Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
mudlake wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.
I've been doing the same and love the 32mm FL. (similar FOV to RX1RII)
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
I've been doing the same and love the 32mm FL. (similar FOV to RX1RII)
Aug 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM
p.19 #14Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
This CV 21/1.4 looks like a stellar lens! Sadly, it's not for me — I have the CV 21/3.5 for size and the 24 GM for speed, so I don't have a place for this lens. Seeing the lovely images in this thread eases the pain a little 
Aug 16, 2019 at 12:37 PM
p.19 #15Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
So I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out😂 I do the SAME thing.
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.The 24GM was my plan too, the cv21/3.5 as the walkabout complimented with the 24gm, but now I am just not sure where the 24 fits in for me, I think a fast AF 35 will suit me better, will give the 21/3.5 more time but I am tempted by the f1.4Off topic, but at a recent family reunion I tried using the CV 21/3.5 as a portrait lens in crop mode on the R3. Set at f4 and with an equivalent 32mm focal length, it was VERY good. So sharp I was amazed and with a rendering that was quite beautiful. Now, I’m sure the 1.4 version would be better, but dang was it a nice experiment.
*edit* Example below.I've been doing the same and love the 32mm FL. (similar FOV to RX1RII)
I really like this field of view too. It is also the field of view of my GF 45 f/2.8 on my Fuji GFX if I use a 4 X 3 or squarer aspect ratio.
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
mudlake wrote
Uncle Chip wrote
HmmSo I bought the CV 21f3.5 and 35f1.4 I wanted a really small kit, only had them both a month, enjoyed the small size, I am going away for a few days and will be taking just one lens, my hand went past the CV 35 and picked up the CV 40 and just like that I realized I will always go for the 40,
And why is this relevant to the 21 thread, well I also realized that I may well go for the 21f1.4 over my 21f3.5 and I suppose there is only 1 way to find out
Luckily for me, I picked up the CV 21/3.5 too and I’m not tempted by the 21/1.4 since the 24GM is so good.
*edit* Example below.
I really like this field of view too. It is also the field of view of my GF 45 f/2.8 on my Fuji GFX if I use a 4 X 3 or squarer aspect ratio.
Aug 16, 2019 at 12:48 PM
p.19 #16Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Thanks for the review Fred and the many sample images and thoughts to everyone else! I have been shooting a Loxia for a while and really enjoying the small and light form factor, awesome rendering sharpness/clarity, and the beautiful sunstars. The 16-35 f4 rarely comes out since I got it. Now I'm super intrigued in the CV 21. The main reason I'm interested is for night/astro photography, and the wider aperture can probably open up some creative possibilities in other situations. Has anyone replaced their Loxia with the new CV?
As an aside, yowza did the second-hand price of the Loxia 21 drop! I bought one for $1200 two years ago and now it looks like it's going for $800.
As an aside, yowza did the second-hand price of the Loxia 21 drop! I bought one for $1200 two years ago and now it looks like it's going for $800.
Aug 17, 2019 at 09:15 AM
p.19 #17Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
OT
New lens new bag
I get a Tenba Cooper 8 today. Let you know how it fits my small kit. Need to sell bags now
New lens new bag
I get a Tenba Cooper 8 today. Let you know how it fits my small kit. Need to sell bags now
Aug 17, 2019 at 09:27 AM
p.19 #18Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
Weather sucks but safe to say the CV 21mm f/1.4 meets expectations...
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Aug 17, 2019 at 01:30 PM
p.19 #19Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
GMPhotography wrote:
OT
New lens new bag
I get a Tenba Cooper 8 today. Let you know how it fits my small kit. Need to sell bags now
I know this is OT but hopefully this will be a quick answer. Guy, will the Cooper 8 fit more than your PD 5L? Just curious if you think the Cooper is better than the 5L.
Aug 17, 2019 at 02:17 PM
p.19 #20Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review
I will let you know for sure I'm counting on it. The 5 will fit body and three lens total stacked
Aug 17, 2019 at 02:26 PM