avuroski wrote:
Wow, just saw this new lens and looks incredible.
Love my CV 40 - that and the 12-24 are my permanent 2 lens kit, since I primarily shoot interiors and video. Never liked the feel of the loxias, too small, not enough grip for my hands. But having a hard time justifying this, bc I don't know if I can ditch the 12-24 for what I do - it's the most versatile lens I've ever owned on any system, esp for shooting that crisp 5k-4k video in crop mode. But 21 is pretty wide, and god does f1.4 sound enticing for the many low-light situations I shoot. Just don't want to carry 3 lenses and a mini-tripod... decisions... 😂...Show more →
I know I'm not helping here (), but I think the FE 12-24/4G and CV 21/1.4 complement each other very nicely. You get the ultra wide range for landscapes and one of the best 21mm lenses for low light work.
Fred Miranda wrote:
I know I'm not helping here (), but I think the FE 12-24/4G and CV 21/1.4 complement each other very nicely. You get the ultra wide range for landscapes and one of the best 21mm lenses for low light work.
I like the 24GM with the 12-24G. Fills in for the weakest part of the zoom, has similar controls/function, and is lighter. I also don't like switching between AF and manual focus lenses while shooting with the A7x bodies.
Aztatlan wrote:
Where a lens has a strong field curvature is where I think having some tolerance at infinity can be useful. Take the Loxia 21 - the "peak" focus for the centre is in a very different spot on the infinity symbol to peak focus for edges/corners, so if it had a calibrated hard stop, where would it stop? The edges or the centre? Far less of an issue for a lens with a flat field like the CV21/1.4 since infinity is infinity, basically. Where is the "real" infinity on the Loxia? Who knows
Indeed! The Lox 21 has infinity AT the hard stop but that's for the corners! Things get a bit complicated with lenses with moderate field curvature. Definitely an advantage for the new Voigtlander 21/1.4, especially when shooting landscapes.
I've been looking for a replacement for my aging minolta 21mm that is up to the task of panorama photography on a a7iii. I think after reading this thread, I've found what im looking for, any input would be appreciated.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Indeed! The Lox 21 has infinity AT the hard stop but that's for the corners! Things get a bit complicated with lenses with moderate field curvature. Definitely an advantage for the new Voigtlander 21/1.4, especially when shooting landscapes.
The absense of field curvature is a very appealing attribute of the new CV, particularly for astro (even stopping down to f2.8 to mitigate coma puts it on-par with the Loxia in terms of aperture, but will be FC free. Probably half a stop less vignette too.)
OK, this thread put me over the top and fed my GAS. I just ordered the Voigtlander 21/1.4. I will compare next to my Loxia 21. One will stay and one will go . . . stay tuned.
I would kill to see a direct comparison between the the CV 21mm 1.4 and Loxia 21mm in a landscape scene.
I have been saving my pennies to pick up the 16-35 GM, and I make the go or no go decision this week. Though it seemed an easy decision to make at first I've found myself completely in love with the way images from the Loxia 21mm pop, not so much in anything as measurable as sharpness but it's rendering character and micro contrast perhaps. I'm consistently blown away and find it's souring my outlook on the GM zoom, as the images that come from it just don't seem to have the same theatre and jazz as the Loxia.
In many regards the CV 21mm 1.4 is superior to the Loxia, and roughly $350 AUD cheaper, though I'm hesitant to jump because I just don't yet know what it looks like comparatively to the Lox in a landscape scene and if it pops the same way.
I'm sorry to deviate a little from the threads subject matter, but I would love any outside input on the idea of CV 21mm f1.4 + CV 40mm f1.2 combo vs Sony 16-35mm GM for someone who does lengthy two to three week long hikes, and really doesn't have time to shuck off a pack and change primes in the middle of a walk but wants them anyway.
User_Friendly wrote:
I would kill to see a direct comparison between the the CV 21mm 1.4 and Loxia 21mm in a landscape scene.
I have been saving my pennies to pick up the 16-35 GM, and I make the go or no go decision this week. Though it seemed an easy decision to make at first I've found myself completely in love with the way images from the Loxia 21mm pop, not so much in anything as measurable as sharpness but it's rendering character and micro contrast perhaps. I'm consistently blown away and find it's souring my outlook on the GM zoom, as the images that come from it just don't seem to have the same theatre and jazz as the Loxia.
In many regards the CV 21mm 1.4 is superior to the Loxia, and roughly $350 AUD cheaper, though I'm hesitant to jump because I just don't yet know what it looks like comparatively to the Lox in a landscape scene and if it pops the same way.
I'm sorry to deviate a little from the threads subject matter, but I would love any outside input on the idea of CV 21mm f1.4 + CV 40mm f1.2 combo vs Sony 16-35mm GM for someone who does lengthy two to three week long hikes, and really doesn't have time to shuck off a pack and change primes in the middle of a walk but wants them anyway. ...Show more →
First you look like you just joined which is great. Welcome but you got a lot of reading to do as we have many threads on the Loxia in particular and it’s a great lens. I’ve owned it and currently have CV 21 now which I like better but more about functional for sure. Head to head comparisons I have not done and the CV 21 was just released so maybe as not as much data. Fred has done some comparisons and I would certainly look at that . But try here and do some looking around on the threads here and get some thoughts together. Now zooms I’m not a fan so I’m a prime guy. That’s just me
I can tell you this neither the Loxia or the CV would be a mistake at all. I have all CV glass and have had most of them. I love everything about them this 21 is no exception . I have the CV 12, this 21 and the 50 1.2. I’ve had others as well
GMPhotography wrote:
First you look like you just joined which is great. Welcome but you got a lot of reading to do as we have many threads on the Loxia in particular and it’s a great lens. I’ve owned it and currently have CV 21 now which I like better but more about functional for sure. Head to head comparisons I have not done and the CV 21 was just released so maybe as not as much data. Fred has done some comparisons and I would certainly look at that . But try here and do some looking around on the threads here and get some thoughts together. Now zooms I’m not a fan so I’m a prime guy. That’s just me
I can tell you this neither the Loxia or the CV would be a mistake at all. I have all CV glass and have had most of them. I love everything about them this 21 is no exception . I have the CV, this 21 and the 50 1.2. I’ve had others as well
Just do your homework and see what may grab you...Show more →
Thank you, it's fantastic here and I'm going to enjoy being a part of it. Oh I've been doing homework, Fred's technical IQ breakdowns and comparisons have been brilliant help. Though I do think I'm just furthering my indecisiveness the more I unravel the strengths and weaknesses of each lens.
I will definitely go hunt down the Loxia specific threads now, do you recommend Fred's main review or are there other places I should look?
I think honestly I'll hang out a little longer before buying and wait for the new CV 21 images to roll in.
Well look at the Loxias . I love the lens quality but not the biggest fan of the ergos. I’ve have all the Loxias. I’m the lens whore here. Lol
Anyway my issue is a the aperture ring is close to the body and the same diameter as the focusing ring. So it’s kinda of tough to feel any diffrence. Than hard to get on and off . There are rubber attachments that help. CV glass aperture ring is out front and easier for on and off.i have a bunch of tests here as well. Search Big Bronco . It’s a test wall I use on everything
Fred Miranda wrote:
I know I'm not helping here (), but I think the FE 12-24/4G and CV 21/1.4 complement each other very nicely. You get the ultra wide range for landscapes and one of the best 21mm lenses for low light work.
I have been thinking this exact same thing. Looking at my 12-24 pics throughout Europe, 40% or so are 19-22mm where the CV21 would fit right in. For me, having the 12-24, the 24-105 and the 24 GM over emphasizes the 24 mm focal length and makes it look ordinary. Having the 21 for low light to supplement the 12-24 seems like a great way to provide variety for environmental UWA shots--and then use 1 of CV40, FE 55 or 135 GM depending on the use case to round out the kit for the day.
Well, my copy arrived but I'm home too late in the evening to really give it a run. But I had to shoot something . . . and of course, wide open. Can't wait to explore more what this lens can do. A big shout out to Camera Quest for quick delivery.
Has anyone done any astro with this lens yet? I read through and haven't see any impressions or astro pics? I'm amusing the thought of selling off my 21/3.5 and getting this so it can do double duty for astro.
rji2goleez wrote:
Well, my copy arrived but I'm home too late in the evening to really give it a run. But I had to shoot something . . . and of course, wide open. Can't wait to explore more what this lens can do. A big shout out to Camera Quest for quick delivery.
Nice now get your butt out there. Okay I had a few tonight.
How would you compare this lens to Loxia 21? Sharpness, colours, rendering, handling etc. is it better or Loxia still has no competitor?
Too soon to say after only a handful of shots. I like the colors, I like the rendering, I like the sharpness. The differences in overall image between the two may be slight in which case, the Voigtlander has an advantage being f/1.4. This is evident in the last image of the flower I posted . . . I really like the bokeh in this scene. A caution to myself however, is that the bokeh is based on just this one picture so far. More to come but so far, I would say these lenses are close. This appears to have a typical Voigtlander rendering . . . something I really like.
), but I think the FE 12-24/4G and CV 21/1.4 complement each other very nicely. You get the ultra wide range for landscapes and one of the best 21mm lenses for low light work.
