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Dj R wrote:
85GM on Z7

I used it for about 40 shots today
it was not a great experience, I'll say only OK.
hit or miss, when shooting kids with eye-AF
I was expecting more!

THE GOOD
the color that I expect from this combination is there
the resolution is there, with this lens on the Z7!
did some lens test chart shots, and this 85GM performed much better on the Z7 than the Nikon 85 1.4G (with regard to sharpness/overall resolution, as it should)
the fourth image is a crop of the third image
the bokeh, the quality bokeh is there
AF-S seems decent, but sometimes it's just flakey
the
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Holy crap man, the color in these files is GORGEOUS. Thanks for posting.



Jul 02, 2019 at 09:41 AM
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Mat,Thanks!

Mathieu18 wrote:
It was also reported early, but I'm still bummed... with a dumb Sony E adapter mounted (for Contax for example) the camera won't release the shutter. I'd hoped the TZE would work around Nikon's refusal to record Non CPU lens data without the FTZ. But if the shutter won't trip I can't even test. That's #1 on my wish list for a firmware update.


Nikon never change!

A shame this extends to their mirrorless line as well.

Reason why Sony and Canon are so much more versatile than Nikon cameras.



Jul 02, 2019 at 09:43 AM
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Well in fairness... it's dumb but Sony has done exactly the same. No reason they couldn't write IBIS FL into EXIF but they never have. I can use a Nikon Z dumb adapter and it works fine, just (also) doesn't write that data into EXIF.

But Nikon is arguably the best platform, at least when it comes to chipped lenses. The Z focusing aides with a chipped lens is much quicker to MF with great framing, vs the Sony.

realVivek wrote:
Mat,Thanks!

Nikon never change!

A shame this extends to their mirrorless line as well.

Reason why Sony and Canon are so much more versatile than Nikon cameras.





Jul 02, 2019 at 10:14 AM
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Sony are usable with any lens or even without a lens mounted. You can trip the shutter and record something. It is no tbthe same. (You said that the Nikon will not let you trip the shutter)

Mathieu18 wrote:
Well in fairness... it's dumb but Sony has done exactly the same. No reason they couldn't write IBIS FL into EXIF but they never have. I can use a Nikon Z dumb adapter and it works fine, just (also) doesn't write that data into EXIF.

But Nikon is arguably the best platform, at least when it comes to chipped lenses. The Z focusing aides with a chipped lens is much quicker to MF with great framing, vs the Sony.






Jul 02, 2019 at 11:15 AM
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Not with the TZE mounted, but it will with a normal dumb adapter. It’s a problem of the TZE, not the Nikon.

Sorry I wasn’t clear on that.

Doesn’t really matter since it works with a normal Z dumb adapter. But I hoped the TZE would emulate the FTZ, and allow EXIF to actually write the Non CPU lens data. Instead it breaks it entirely, but again it’s a TZE problem.

realVivek wrote:
Sony are usable with any lens or even without a lens mounted. You can trip the shutter and record something. It is no tbthe same. (You said that the Nikon will not let you trip the shutter)





Jul 02, 2019 at 11:36 AM
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The Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros on the Nikon Z7 Camera

I’m a big fan of the Voigtlander APO lenses and have been for years. I was sad that Zeiss forbid them to keep making the Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar when they moved to Japan. It looks like that stricture is breaking up or at least bending with the advent of the Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros in Sony E-Mount.

With my first look at the TZE-01 adapter from TechArt, I find the TZE-01 adapter easy to take on and off, so no “frozen-on” that some adapters show, where I have to take a pair of wide-pliers to gently get the adapter off.

I tested the TZE-01 with both the Voigtlander 65mm APO Macro and the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro. The reviews I have read on these lenses praise the 110mm more than the 65mm, but I’m funny in what I like. First, I like a slightly wider macro lens and 65mm suits me fine.

They say the focus throw for both lenses is comparable, but I am only (or mostly) interested in the close-up and near macro range. For that, the 65mm macro has a focus throw of about 325 degrees, taking perhaps the last 50 degrees for the 2-meter distance and out.

As for the 110mm lens, it has about 250 degrees for the distance from 1:1 to 1:2, so for my purposes it has a more limited focus throw and it shows. I am used to a long focus through like the Voigtlander 125mm APO-Lanthar (630-degrees) and the Leical 100mm Elmarit-R (720 degrees) lenses. Compared to these classic lenses, the focus throw of new Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO lenses are a bit shorter than I like. Of the two new ones, the 65mm focus-throw does not bother me, but the 110mm is just enough shorter to make life more difficult than they would have had to. For close-up work I need a longer focus throw, although I try to make do.

Both lenses have 10-blades, not the best, but for me not a real problem. The 110mm lens goes 1:1, while the 65mm lens goes 1:2. I seldom work 1:1, so the wider range of the 65mm is just fine with me.

Neither of these lenses is up to what if find as the best for my work, lenses like:

APO EL Nikkor 105mm f/5.6
Schneider Macro-Varon 85mm f/4.5
Printing Nikkors (95mm, 105mm, and 150mm)
Nikkor “O” CRT lens 55mm f/1.2
Hartblei Superrotator Macro 120mm f/4 T/S
and others.

These new Voigtlanders are in the category of the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm f/2.5, but I prefer the 9-blades of the CV-125 to the new 65mm and 110mm with their 10-blades. The CV-125 APO Lanthar is a magic lens, IMO. These three Voigtlanders (like the CV-125) produce more artifacts when stacked than I like, but they clean up pretty well. I see the two new Voigtlanders (110mm and 65mm) as a good bet for non-studio work, shooting outside in the field, etc.

Right now, I am being a little hard on the 110mm and the 65mm APOs, to see if I will really use them. I probably will. The TZE-01 is so small that it’s almost like they were made for the Nikon Z7. I have a TZE-01 for each of them, so I won’t be doing a lot of taking the adapters on and off.

I may find I want to use these two lenses on a focus rail to get a smoother result when stacking focus, as I do.
I hate to do that because the focus rail is not the best for the stacking software, but will check it out anyway.

I don't know how to post images here, but there are images (same article) on NikonGear.com and LuLa here:

http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,8672.new.html#new

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130241.0






Jul 02, 2019 at 12:15 PM
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sungphoto wrote:
Holy crap man, the color in these files is GORGEOUS. Thanks for posting.


THANK YOU
1. the 85 GM has a fantastic color delivery, more so than any other sony lens I've ever used - and I've used them ALL.
2. these are from JPG, and hardly touched
3. the color is so accurate it's insane. this girl was in a pool all day, and the skin below her eyes was a little red compared to the rest of her face. you can see it perfectly. great lens. great camera.


but damn, I am at a cross roads.
well I was...

will this adaptor get a firmware update in July?
I had to buy a 105 1.4E and I'll use that until this adaptor is not beta. I just can't count on it for people shots.
it is great for my commercial wide angle needs, not people! sony 12-24 works great on the adaptor.





Jul 02, 2019 at 12:16 PM
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Dj R wrote:
THANK YOU
1. the 85 GM has a fantastic color delivery, more so than any other sony lens I've ever used - and I've used them ALL.
2. these are from JPG, and hardly touched
3. the color is so accurate it's insane. this girl was in a pool all day, and the skin below her eyes was a little red compared to the rest of her face. you can see it perfectly. great lens. great camera.

but damn, I am at a cross roads.
well I was...

will this adaptor get a firmware update in July?
I had to buy a 105 1.4E and I'll
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I agree, the GM 85 f1.4 and zeiss planar 50 f1.4 were my two fave lenses on Sony FE.

I'm on the fence on the Nikon 85 f1.4G. Used it for a commercial jewelry shoot last week, and it does not do well with high contrast point sources found in reflections in diamonds - quite a bit of CA. It made me miss the optical performance of the Sigma art 85 f1.4, but hated the size/weight.

Gave you a follow on insta - super solid work!



Jul 02, 2019 at 12:23 PM
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for what you shoot, may as well get the GM (if that's the best FL for that type of shooting).
I have mine listed, but when I get an offer - I may not sell it. depends on what you guys think about this adaptor being updated during the summer. I need more AF-C reliability!



Jul 02, 2019 at 12:24 PM
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Dj R wrote:
for what you shoot, may as well get the GM (if that's the best FL for that type of shooting).
I have mine listed, but when I get an offer - I may not sell it. depends on what you guys think about this adaptor being updated during the summer. I need more AF-C reliability!


Techart in general... I think they're pretty good on updates of newish products. Older ones, not so much. The TAP for example had 6 FW updates, the last being with the release of the MkIII Sony's. In July might be a push, it's likely they'll let it hit the wild and see what feedback is received. I think we'll see one by early fall anyway, but I don't think it'll be in the next 30 days. Happy to be wrong.



Jul 02, 2019 at 12:28 PM
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Just had a moment to play with the APS-C 18-135 in my office which isn't too dim, but it's not sunlight either. Performance in AF-C seemed rock solid, and very quick. Not sure what the discrepancy is from other reports. I was using AF-C and Wide-S and Point. Snapped right where I wanted it to go. No pulsing and all look to have focused accurately over about 20-30 shots.

As an aside, EVF looked like crap in crop mode, so finally found Nikon's scaling trouble...



Jul 02, 2019 at 03:37 PM
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When I was testing AFC, I was shooting people using eye AF

Are you getting pulsing?
I’m seeing it at iso 800 or so

Mathieu18 wrote:
Just had a moment to play with the APS-C 18-135 in my office which isn't too dim, but it's not sunlight either. Performance in AF-C seemed rock solid, and very quick. Not sure what the discrepancy is from other reports. I was using AF-C and Wide-S and Point. Snapped right where I wanted it to go. No pulsing and all look to have focused accurately over about 20-30 shots.

As an aside, EVF looked like crap in crop mode, so finally found Nikon's scaling trouble...




Jul 02, 2019 at 04:52 PM
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I was shooting static subjects, but using AF-C. I was mostly in central point, which could definitely effect it. Zero pulsing though, around 6400 for me. Will test off center tomorrow, don’t have the lens at home.

Dj R wrote:
When I was testing AFC, I was shooting people using eye AF

Are you getting pulsing?
I’m seeing it at iso 800 or so





Jul 02, 2019 at 06:04 PM
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The Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm f/2.5 for Sony E-Mount

I have checked out the second Macro APO-Lanthar, this time the 110mm f/2.5 Lens for the Sony-E Mount, but on the TZE-01 adapter for the Nikon Z7. In the previous blog, I worked with the 65mm f/2 lens and found it very useful for my work, which is close-up stacking of images.

I am not as happy with the 110mm, for a couple of reasons, which may not affect most readers here, especially if you don’t stack focus.

Both the 65mm and the 110mm Voigtlander APO-Lanthars are about the same size, and they are external focus, so they hang way out there on the Nikon Z7 and the TZE-01 adapter. This is not SO bad if you are taking a single shot photo. Yet, for stacking, where I may have to take 150-250 images (or less or more), that overhanging lens is very hard to keep stationary. And the 110mm weighs 771 grams (1.78 lb.), while the 65mm weights 625 grams (1.4 lbs.). that 146 grams difference actually makes a difference in this case and for my work.

I usually use as a tripod head the geared Arca-Swiss C1 Cube. However, the C1 Cube is a little spongy because of the manual knob that allows the whole head to swing open 90-degrees. That knob has a little give to it. And so, given the long extension of the 110mm and the extra weight (146 grams), plus the helicoid on the 110mm is “stiffer” than the helicoid on the 65mm, the effort to turn the helicoid moves the lens more than it otherwise should, IMO. It’s no fun if you are doing many layers of images.

So, I went to the most steady tripod head I know of which is the Burzynski “Protec,” which as lens-master Bjørn Rørslett says “It simply defines what “dead solid” is all about.” Using the Burzynski helped a lot, but I still have to say that for complex focus stacking, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm lens may not be for me. I can make it work, but my guess is that I may call on other lenses more often than choose it.

So, there you have it. I like and can use the Voigtlander Macro APO-Lanthar 65mm lens, but have my doubts (and gave reasons) why the 110mm is probably a bridge too far as for stability in stacking images. It is just not steady enough because of weight, overhang-stress on the adapter, and stiffness of the helicoid, plus the focus throw is not (IMO) as long as I like them.

That aside, it is my best judgment, after examining the 110 APO-Lanthar that this lens is a step above in quality of the image from the legendary CV-125 (Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm) lens. And so, I will be keeping it, but using it a little sparingly perhaps. This is an exquisite lens and I would recommend it.

Images can be found here:

LuLa
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130241.0

NikonGear
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,8672.new.html#new



Jul 03, 2019 at 09:24 AM
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The Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm f/2.5 for Sony E-Mount

I have checked out the second Macro APO-Lanthar, this time the 110mm f/2.5 Lens for the Sony-E Mount, but on the TZE-01 adapter for the Nikon Z7. In the previous blog, I worked with the 65mm f/2 lens and found it very useful for my work, which is close-up stacking of images.

I am not as happy with the 110mm, for a couple of reasons, which may not affect most readers here, especially if you don’t stack focus.

Both the 65mm and the 110mm Voigtlander APO-Lanthars are about the same size, and they are
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Have you considered adding lens support? It is quite easy to implement either with a bar and the lens support that RRS makes or with a 15mm rod system (I use the latter whenever I worry about a lens having enough support). I think that may solve your issues with this lens. You certainly have the ballheads to make such a system work.



Jul 03, 2019 at 09:42 AM
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I didn’t get to play today, will tomorrow but plan to shoot the 4th events with the Loxia 25, 35 & 85 so won’t get any AF time.

That said, anyone spend more time using the adapter in AF-C mode? Was reading the DPR thread and it seems like everyone is testing AF-S and complaining about pulsing, and assuming AF-C is worse. Not on DPR anymore so thought I’d ask here.

These lenses are made for AF-C (PDAF) and Nikon does less CDAF from what I understand, so I’m thinking AF-C performance is going to be much better. It’s kinda like the crappy Sony 50/1.8, it’s focusing action is much better in AF-C without the CDAF pulse. I didn’t see pulsing in AF-C either so I’m curious...

Also everyone talks about AF-S pinpoint not working. I read the Techart instructions, they don’t say pinpoint, they say single point which is a reference to AF-C. Pinpoint is only AF-S and a known bug.



Jul 03, 2019 at 07:46 PM
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Adding a support would help some and I have various methods, but that won't help with the stiffness of the helicoid. If you are taking single shots, I see no problem. When we take 100 or more layers, a number of factors conspire in order for that to be done smoothly. The shorter focus throw is not something we can do anything about other than place the whole camera and lens of a focus rail.


Jul 03, 2019 at 11:15 PM
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Just now took delivery of my TZE-01. First impressions so far:

- Update went smoothly.

- Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2 works pretty well for my use cases. Af-S and AF-C under daylight conditions (architecture and slowish moving passers-bye, also on bicycle) spot-on. Exif data complete. Not perfectly sure regarding VR/IBIS. Image Quality seems unimpaired.

- Same with the Sony FE 28mm f/2. At 200% magnification you can detect that this lens is OKish, but clearly inferior to the Batis 25 (as should be).

Thus very content with the purchase, not cheap, but worth every penny.

On the flipside though: Now perhaps I want to rebuy the Sony/Zeiss Sonnar 35mm f/2.8 (since IQ is nice and it's so tiny, now even adapted) :-)



Jul 04, 2019 at 06:26 AM
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Additional information on first impressions with the Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 mounted on my Z7:

- AF-S and AF-C mostly fast and accurate, sometimes a bit pulsing near the edges (particularly when not supported by vertical lines), Eye-AF seems pretty accurate and locks on quickly. OSS seems to work perfectly well, too.

Again for my use cases an absolut winner and probably I'll keep the Batis even though I own the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G as well (due to less bulk and weight -> ca. - 350 grams).



Jul 04, 2019 at 07:55 AM
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When I got mine I just started using it. Was I supposed to update it first?

So last night I downloaded the app. Clicked the update for 1.00. I assume it worked but I have no idea.

But honestly, I feel it came to me with 1.00??



Jul 04, 2019 at 08:22 AM
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