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Archive 2019 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both


Our MF system is a Hassy H5D-40 and we're looking at adding a GFX-50S as a second body given they can both use HC lenses (via the adapter).

We'll then rationalize the various lenses so that we have a mix of Hassy & GF glass to cover our occasional need for leaf-shutters and backup coverage, etc.

I'm curious how users or owners of both systems have found the glass in comparison. Also, not normally a fan of zooms, but reading good things on the GF 32-64/4.

The HC lenses we currently have are:

HCD 28
HC 50 II
HC 80
HC 120 II
HC 210






Jun 25, 2019 at 09:33 AM
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p.1 #2 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both


Conner999 wrote:
Our MF system is a Hassy H5D-40 and we're looking at adding a GFX-50S as a second body given they can both use HC lenses (via the adapter).

We'll then rationalize the various lenses so that we have a mix of Hassy & GF glass to cover our occasional need for leaf-shutters and backup coverage, etc.

I'm curious how users or owners of both systems have found the glass in comparison. Also, not normally a fan of zooms, but reading good things on the GF 32-64/4.

The HC lenses we currently have are:

HCD 28
HC 50 II
HC 80
HC 120 II
HC 210



I currently have the HCD 24 f/4.8, and the HC 100 f/2.2 and like them both very much. I had the HC 50 (original not the II) and I have had the HC 300 f/4.5. I like the HC glass a lot and not surprisingly the two I kept more than the two I did not. My problem with the HC 50 is mainly that it is huge especially for an f/3.5 lens. My problem with the HC 300 f/4.5 was just that it wasn't nearly as fast or as good as the Canon FD 300 f/2.8L that I replaced it with that totally covers the sensor. Here is my take on your lenses and how you could integrate them with Fuji GF lenses:

The HCD 28 f/4 is a wonderful lens and I would keep it. I love my HCD 24 f/4.8 on the GFX. The one question I have is do you need something wider. If you do the GF 23 f/4 is a wonderful lens and I think it can pair nicely with you HCD 28 f/4. If you don't, then you could just keep the HCD 28 f/4 as your widest lens.

Your HC 50 II, I would replace with the GF 45 f/2.8. The HC 50 II is a great lens, but the GF 45 is a fantastic lens, half a stop faster and much smaller. You also will get better AF. You will of course be giving up the leaf shutter, but do you use it this wide? If you sell the HC 50 II, you will have money left over after buy the GF 45 f/2.8. The decision here to me depends on how much you need a leaf shutter at this focal length. If you do you might as keep the HC 50 II, it is an excellent lens, but if you don't I think everything else is in favor of the GF lens.

I tried the HC 80 f/2.8, but I never was that impressed. Yeah, it is small for a leaf shutter lens, but I never really liked the rendering. You might feel differently. Fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens yet, although I hope persistent rumors of a fast 80 will turn out to be true. So, the lens to replace it with may be the GF 63 f/2.8, which is wonderfully small on the GFX and notably smaller than the HC 80 when you consider the adapter. It is a very nice performing lens. The GF 63 f/2.8 can be had for less than $800 if you find one used, so not a bad price at all and pretty much a straight trade for the HC 80 f/2.8.

If you want a leaf shutter lens in the range of the 80, I would recommend picking up an HC 100 f/2.2. I love mine. Just a wonderful rendering, IMO. And if you sell the HC 50 & 80 and buy the GF 45 and 63, you will have a little money left over that could make it easier to buy this lens. On the used market you can find them for about $2,000. The Fuji HC adapter only allows sync speeds of 1/800, so that convinced me to go with a used one with the older specs.

For the HC 120 f/4 II Macro, I would consider replacing it with the GF 120 f/4 Macro. I think the GF lens is a strong performer and probably a bit sharper with a very nice rendering. The HC lens, however, goes to 1:1 magnification and the GF does not (it is 1: 2 magnification). So a lot of the decision is do you need to go to 1:1 magnification. If you do, a fine and cheaper option is to go with the Contax 645 120 f/4 APO, which is a lovely lens and one of my favorites. It is cheap, but you do need an expensive adapter to make it work. Still if you sold you HC 120 f/4 II, you would have money left over after buying the Contax 645 macro and the adapter. Enough to pay a huge chunk of the HC 100 f/2.2

I would keep the HC 210 f/4, which I think is a great and under appreciated lens. It also would pair nicely with what you already have. You won't get all that much for it if you sell it either. The resale market for this lens doesn't seem to appreciate how good it is. The Fuji GF 250 f/4 is a wonderful lens, but it is a bit bigger than the HC 210 and it would take a lot of money to switch and although you may gain in sharpness and AF, you will lose the leaf shutter, which I think could be important at this focal length. So, the tradeoffs are clear for the HC 210 vs the GF 250. I you need the extra length, then also appreciate that the GF 250 with the 1.4X TC make a really nice combo.

So here is summary of my recommendations:

Get the GF 23 f/4 if you need a lens that wide.
Keep the 28 f/4, it is a great lens and a useful focal length that is not available in a GF lens yet.
Get the GF 45 f/2.8 unless you really need a leaf shutter lens this wide. If you do the HC 50 f/3.5 II is a great lens and keep it.
Get the GF 63 f/2.8 (especially, only?) if you got the GF 45 f/2.8 as I think it is a better lens than the HC 80 f/2.8.
Get the HC 100 f/2.2. A great lens that is totally worth getting, IMO, just for the rendering.
Swamp the HC 120 f/4 Macro II for the GF 120 f/4 Macro if you don't need 1:1 magnification. If you do consider the Contax 645 120 f/4 APO.
Keep the HC 210 f/4, unless you are willing to sacrifice the leaf shutter for the better AF and sharpness of the GF 250 f/4. It will cost you to upgrade, however. It might be worth it especially if you need the longer reach the 1.4X TC can provide.

I hope this helps.



Jun 25, 2019 at 01:00 PM
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p.1 #3 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both


Steve,

Thanks very much. Great input.

I think I agree on the 28/4. It's just so nice.

I'be been pondering selling the 50 II. It's considered the 'Otus' of the line, but the GF 45 is far cheaper and so far, and that FL is not one I 'need' a LS with that often.

I'm a bit of a heretic on the 100/2.2. I had one and sold it, keeping the 80. The 100 does have a great rendering, but it had nasty CA against strong backlight (I do some work on white seamless) until about F8+ whereas the 80 it's basically absent. The 80 is also sharper in the first few stops. That said, it's always a candidate (as is the GF 110) for future consideration. Never say never.

I may still get the 63 to go along with the 80 as i'll need 1-2 duplicate commonly used focal lengths such as ~50mm

The 120 II is actually for sale already. Stunning lens, and much improved over the older v1, but the 120vII, like the 50vII, would be overkill with a strong macro on the GFX - and I don't need a LS in a macro. The LV and mirrorless nature of the GF would also make a strong macro on it a more logical fit.

As you say the C645 120 is an option, but 1:1 isn't really needed by me. The M645 120 (always liked that lens) is also a candidate if I can do without AF (it is a macro after all), OIS and WR.

Complete agreement on the 210/4. It's stunning and idiotically cheap for some silly reason.

Thanks again.

Rob



Jun 25, 2019 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #4 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both


As a self-appointed GF 250 evangelist, I would argue that the extremely-effective 5.5 stops of OIS + EFCS more than makes up for or exceeds the low-shock advantage of a leaf shutter – unless you need it for flash sync and don't want to use HSS. The GF 250 at 1/30 second handheld is razor sharp, and in all but the dimmest post-twilight I can keep the ISO between 100 and 160. If you only use a tripod, then maybe there is a slight advantage to leaf shutter versus EFCS, but provided there isn't any action in the shot you can use the full electronic shutter.


Jun 25, 2019 at 05:17 PM
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p.1 #5 · Fuji GF vs Hassy HC/D Lenses - For Users of Both


We work a lot with animals, so tripod rarely works and the leaf shutter and fast packs makes outside work a doddle using flash.

When we do get a GFX, we will get a couple of HS heads (use all Action now) for our Elinchrom packs (use Profoto Pro B2s and Eli Quadra) to cover all the bases.

Do read awesome things about the 250, but the HC 210 is stunning and cheap as hell.



Jun 25, 2019 at 05:48 PM





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