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p.1 #1 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Am I alone in finding that I have almost no need for <24mm when shooting landscapes? It seems the growing trend is that of 18mm and wider is a "must" for landscapes. I do appreciate how difficult is is to compose at these focal lengths, and how unique of a perspective it provides, but for me I tend to shoot on the more telephoto end or around 24-35mm. Is this just a trend in landscape photography the past few years? How many others out there are finding this?


May 04, 2019 at 12:40 PM
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p.1 #2 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


You're definitely not alone! I personally shoot the vast majority of my landscapes with my 24mm TS-E lens and the rest with, hold on to your hats, my 45mm TS-E. Crazy, huh?

In all seriousness, I think that the ultra-wide craze has gone too far. I've seen so many images where the photographer has used an ultra-wide lens and placed so much emphasis on the foreground that the background becomes completely insignificant. Sure there are images where a ultra-wide lens works really well and the result is spectacular, but it's definitely not the end all and be all. That's my opinion...



May 04, 2019 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I used to shoot everything at 12mm. And then I sold my digital gear. Now I’m almost always at 50mm or the approximate 50mm equivalent on larger format. Being forced to move about to compose scenes is an act of discipline and I have a lot more to learn. Zooms contributed to my laziness and bad habits.


May 04, 2019 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #4 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Pre-planning, experimenting, environment.
Inside a narrow canyon or inches from a textured surface, ultra wide-angle will do great. If that's your vision.
It may be less natural for someone below 24mm, or it may be the desired tool to use and "finding" the opportunities with that pre-planning.

16mm and I wanted to go wider
http://robertbody.com/images/500/2018-07-17-ritas-mtns-viv1-7-8-a7r3_2576.jpg

23mm and with the following crop is more like 35mm - because of the sky and surroundings too wide wasn't to my liking
http://robertbody.com/images/500/2018-07-18-gv-cholla-ton1-a7r3_2718.jpg

26mm to adjust the framing to fit the clouds (wider wasn't working for me)
http://robertbody.com/images/500/2018-08-07-gv-strikes-viv1-19-21-60-a7r3_3402.jpg

28mm and with the changing fog I tried 16mm-
http://robertbody.com/images/500/2017-09-28-crested-house-mi100-a7r2_4017.jpg

24mm because any wider just wasn't a right look (11-24mm lens) - saguaro shape, height, clouds look (including more of the clouds than I found optimal)
http://robertbody.com/images/500/2017-08-26-tuc-mtns-land-a7r2_02054.jpg

It may be you don't care for wider than 24mm all year, and then there is that one time where you can't go wide enough. So you could stitch, make 5, 10 images with overlap and combine into 1 photo. Which slows things down.
Or if you go into an environment like narrow canyon and you want to include the walls as much as possible. So you rent it, see how it works for you and rent it in a year or 2 when you get into similar kind of environment.

You get a more specialized look with ultra wides, maybe it works for you and maybe it doesn't. Maybe it's fun with a new (maybe rented) tool and maybe it's too frustrating because it's not rewarding because you don't like the final look.
Right tool for the right job. Right tool for some, not for everyone.



May 04, 2019 at 01:27 PM
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p.1 #5 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Focal length is a matter of subject and style/artistic vision. The current style tends toward wider field of view than 24mm on FF. If you look at books on landscape photography from maybe about 10 years ago you find that most images are shot 24mm or longer. These generally still look appropriate to me. I can see conditions where a person might like to shoot wider, and I also see a lot of images posted that I think are shot too wide. If 24mm works for you then no need to change.

For a long time I've owned a 10-20 for my APS-C camera, but I got the wider lens for other photography in addition to landscapes thinking I might really want to exaggerate things. For my FX system I'm going to try to be happy with 18-35.



May 04, 2019 at 09:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


General modern trend is to create more appealing and spectacular shots with extremely dominant foreground and for that focal lengths below 24mm work better.
I personally find 24mm too tight when I want to include a foreground element and seek for a balanced defined progression foreground-midground-background.
Having said that, it all depends on the dimensional relationship the photographer has in mind and particularly control of background magnification in the frame.



May 04, 2019 at 10:41 PM
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p.1 #7 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Why limit the way you see landscapes to any "current style"? As others have said, wide angle is usually necessary in tight, narrow spaces. However, in wide open spaces I see few attractive images made by photographers who think there's something good about diluting a vast area into a wide angle image. The result is an uninteresting image where the background is a bunch of undistinguished tiny bumps lost on the horizon. ugh. Unless it's done for a specific visual interest, such as focussing attention or an particular plant, what's the point? It's boring and forgettable, whether it's the current fad, or not.

On the other end of focal lengths, I have seen many attractive landscapes made with long lenses that compress the near and far, which is especially effective when the atmosphere provides nice layering effects. The result is that you see the details of far away background objects, like interesting mountains, brought in close to your foreground features, like interesting rock formations and plants.

As a side note, lost in this discussion is the usefulness of the various panorama stitching tools, which some cameras and post-processing software can do almost automatically. No wide angle lens is needed, and image composition is often superior.



May 04, 2019 at 10:52 PM
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p.1 #8 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I personally don't think anything wider than 24mm is necessary, but that focal length and opinion are dictated by my "style" and what I enjoy shooting. I found myself in some slot canyons last week and while they are something that is more of a typical "landscape shot" I had my camera with me so why not try to make an image. I did catch myself thinking that something around 20mm would be nice for that scenario.

I think as with any focal length, the way it renders a scene needs to be understood and used accordingly. This is a blanket generalization but most of the images I see that are wider than 24mm would be stronger, from a compositional standpoint, if a few of the elements near the edges of the composition were eliminated via the use of a less wide lens. Also, I feel that very wide angle images always tend to scream "I'm a photograph!" much louder than the voice of any of the elements within the image could hope to speak. For me, this detracts from the image turning it into more of a technical feat or documentary in nature instead of an intent filled expression of specific elements or moment.



May 05, 2019 at 12:29 AM
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Personally, and I am sorry if this ought sound a bit rash, I think that limiting oneself "in principle" to this or that focal length or focal range doesn't make much sense if you want to be a versatile landscape photographer. To me, it all depends on what each different location and what each different image "need". I am known to be a lover of wide-angles, and I wouldn't choose a camera system that didn't offer a good 16mm option (or wider, just in case). However, i.e., I go to Tuscany 5-6 times a year leading Workshops, and in Tuscany I pretty much never use anything wider than 35mm - with the occasional foray to 24mm at the widest - and use tele lenses quite a lot instead, just because that's what the landscape needs there. That said, however, even in Tuscany there is a village with an amazing thermal pool in the main square, and there you need 10-12mm... Also i.e., on the Isle of Skye or in Iceland I would use wides and ultra-wides much more, but there too there are situations where a longer lens would help. And so on

Generally speaking, I see myself as an interpreter: the landscape is the musical score, or the theatric text, and my photographs are my interpretation. As any good musician or actor, we should be able to interpret any kind of piece of music or character, otherwise we'll end up being one of these character actors (perhaps very good) playing "always the bad guy", or "always this or that" kind of role. Which, back to photography, is something I see way too often, both in the choice of lenses, of subject matter and of post-processing. Now, if this is something that appeals to you, that's absolutely fine - there are great photographers that limit themselves to one "genre" of landscape photography only, or to one style of post-processing only, or to one lens only, and do that very well. However, seeing a fog shot processed like a high-contrast, midday one just because that particular photographer always uses the one style of post-processing, or seeing a photograph that could have benefited from a wider or longer lens shot with the "wrong" lens just on principle, and so on, is not giving me much visual joy.

Personally, I am more interested in the variety and in the amazement that different locations, different landscapes, and therefore styles of photography create in me - therefore, back to the OP's question, I happily use lenses from 12mm to about 180mm

Best regards,

Vieri



May 05, 2019 at 02:45 AM
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p.1 #10 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


For me landscape photography is about knowing how to see through whatever focal length is in your kit. Once you do that the options are endless.


May 06, 2019 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #11 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I am the opposite. It is rare I like an image shot narrower than 24mm. 90% of my landscape work is at 15mm or 21mm.

Many people on this forum love the 35mm focal length. I consider it the dead zone.

To each their own and how they see.



May 07, 2019 at 08:06 AM
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p.1 #12 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


For a 4x5" film I use 90mm as wide field and occasionaly 75mm.
With FF camera those are close to 28mm and 24mm (wider if FF is to be cropped to 4:5 ratio).

Personally I haven't never got to famous 'landscape needs ultrawide' trend. 24-70mm sticks on my FF camera almost always.



May 10, 2019 at 05:40 AM
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I find real dead zones in focal lengths in landscapes but that's mostly down to my style. I typically shoot somewhere 14-24mm and then skip everything else until I'm at 100mm+. I just find 35-50 in particular to be a real struggle to find compositions I like. That middle ground is hard because I tend to either see vistas or details - wide or telephoto. That's completely the opposite with people and events where 35mm is so often the sweet spot for me


May 24, 2019 at 08:50 PM
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p.1 #14 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Trends? They play no part in my creative process. I use what lens gives me the necessary angle of view for the image I want to make from the scene in front of me. Anywhere from 11mm to 720mm.


May 24, 2019 at 10:47 PM
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BPsmith511 wrote:
Am I alone in finding that I have almost no need for <24mm when shooting landscapes? It seems the growing trend is that of 18mm and wider is a "must" for landscapes. I do appreciate how difficult is is to compose at these focal lengths, and how unique of a perspective it provides, but for me I tend to shoot on the more telephoto end or around 24-35mm. Is this just a trend in landscape photography the past few years? How many others out there are finding this?


On 35mm cameras (film and digital) I've carried lenses that go down to 16 or 17 mm for decades. I feel a bit foolish because in all of that time I have kept or used less than a dozen shots created with focal lengths wider than 24 mm. Once in a great while it's nice to have access to these very wide focal lengths, but I could easily do without them, and probably should to save some weight.

I often enjoy isolating elements within a scene, and more often "distilling" a scene down to its simplest and most graphic form using longer focal lengths. That's neither good nor bad, but it's what I like doing. I'd say just take pictures as you see them and forget about what anyone else does.



May 25, 2019 at 06:28 AM
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p.1 #16 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I look at a lens like a chef looks at recipes.
A 16mm wide angle shot follows a certain recipe: foreground subject close with a vast background.
That's not the only recipe I want to follow . . . .

I find shooting with 50mm, 24mm, 90mm, 200mm and even 300mm gives me plenty of different views and makes my landscapes more creative. I don't follow the same recipe every time.

But I DO use my 16-35mm wide angle. It's valuable but not exclusive to my photography.



May 27, 2019 at 08:22 AM
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p.1 #17 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I don't see this as a growing trend at all.

If anything, I think the pendulum has swung back from maybe 11 years ago, when the 14-24mm first came out for full-frame, or the 12-24mm lenses for DX were used.

Now, as the industry has matured (somewhat) and people have gained experience and refined their own style, and have moved away from gear acquisition madness, they are using almost any focal length to bring their vision to life.

I think Vieri explains it quite well.



May 27, 2019 at 09:25 AM
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p.1 #18 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


I am no professional but here is my opinion. Isn’t photography about capturing the moment and telling a story Thur your image? So it all boils down you your style and what works in a given situation. I believe chasing a given trend will not help improve your photography skills. I have seen amazing images on this forum in variety of focal lengths. So I feel that your landscape will dictate your lens. Just my $.02.


May 27, 2019 at 02:08 PM
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p.1 #19 · Landscape photography with primarily >24mm?


Underwater a common technique is a "near and far" shot with a large object less than a meter from the camera at one side of the frame and then the rest of the frame goes out to "infinity". With landscape images this concept is seldom seen and instead there is a very wide view angle and a diminution of objects in the middle ground and background that usually weakens the image. This starts to be quite apparent at focal lengths shorter than 35mm on a full frame camera.




May 28, 2019 at 11:22 AM
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Agree: very well said. I would add that, prior to selecting a lens, the artist will generally feel the raw requirements for the composition’s particulars...exceptions made for unexpected stimuli, of course!

dbehrens wrote:
For me landscape photography is about knowing how to see through whatever focal length is in your kit. Once you do that the options are endless.




May 28, 2019 at 12:06 PM
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