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Archive 2019My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
p.4 #1My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
suteetat wrote:
Here it is.
Top is 14-30@14
Middle is 14-24@14 with no lens profile correction.
Bottom is 14-24@14 with lens profile correction.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46948115534_19b714c7f9_o.jpgtest 14039 ii by Suteetat S, on Flickr
My understanding is that 14-30 is actually optically wider than 14mm to compensate for lens correction already. To my eyes, I guess it is a touch narrower than uncorrected 14-24mm.
Can you post a corrected 14-30 image?
tek9 wrote
Suteetat, since you have both lenses - can you take a sample shot (on a tripod with exactly the same framing @ 14mm) using both 14-30 and 14-24 that would show how much FOV do we lose by those baked in corrections? Not sure if it was shown anywhere in the samples here (I might have missed it).Top is 14-30@14
Middle is 14-24@14 with no lens profile correction.
Bottom is 14-24@14 with lens profile correction.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46948115534_19b714c7f9_o.jpgtest 14039 ii by Suteetat S, on Flickr
My understanding is that 14-30 is actually optically wider than 14mm to compensate for lens correction already. To my eyes, I guess it is a touch narrower than uncorrected 14-24mm.
Can you post a corrected 14-30 image?
Apr 29, 2019 at 06:32 PM
p.4 #2My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Thank you!
The top image shot with 14-30 - it's with corrections applied in LR / PS (that you can't disable unless you're using some other software)? If that's the case looks like all the complaints about 14-30 not being 14mm on the wide end can disappear, I hope.
The top image shot with 14-30 - it's with corrections applied in LR / PS (that you can't disable unless you're using some other software)? If that's the case looks like all the complaints about 14-30 not being 14mm on the wide end can disappear, I hope.
Apr 29, 2019 at 06:34 PM
p.4 #3My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
chez wrote:
Can you post a corrected 14-30 image?
I have been using PS in all my test shots so all 14-30 images are software corrected already.
Can you post a corrected 14-30 image?
I have been using PS in all my test shots so all 14-30 images are software corrected already.
Apr 29, 2019 at 06:39 PM
p.4 #4My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Is there a way to slow down the a animation or control the frame swapping.
snapsy wrote:
Added a comparison to the OP between Adobe ACR and Capture NX-D in terms of how they apply Nikon's built-in geometric lens correction profile (direct link).
snapsy wrote:
Added a comparison to the OP between Adobe ACR and Capture NX-D in terms of how they apply Nikon's built-in geometric lens correction profile (direct link).
Apr 29, 2019 at 09:14 PM
p.4 #5My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
tek9 wrote:
Thank you!
The top image shot with 14-30 - it's with corrections applied in LR / PS (that you can't disable unless you're using some other software)? If that's the case looks like all the complaints about 14-30 not being 14mm on the wide end can disappear, I hope.
tek9 wrote:
Thank you!
The top image shot with 14-30 - it's with corrections applied in LR / PS (that you can't disable unless you're using some other software)? If that's the case looks like all the complaints about 14-30 not being 14mm on the wide end can disappear, I hope.
Apr 29, 2019 at 09:21 PM
p.4 #6My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
But there were also complaints how the corrections make it more than 14mm and how it's not the truly stated FOV. The example/comparison clearly illustrates that there's no loss of FOV due to corrections.
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
But there were also complaints how the corrections make it more than 14mm and how it's not the truly stated FOV. The example/comparison clearly illustrates that there's no loss of FOV due to corrections.
Apr 29, 2019 at 09:27 PM
p.4 #7My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
Maybe you're seeing what you want to see. I get the feeling that you're fixated on one aspect and one focal length of a zoom lens that covers 14-30mm and has many characteristics that make up the overall image quality and performance. This fixation must be causing you to lose almost any perspective about the lens as a whole. If you use a lens like the 14-30 wide open at 14mm most of the time then maybe finding a 14mm prime is something you should consider.... right tool for the job kind of thing. My guess is that most people don't buy a 14-30 f4 to use primarily at 14mm f4 and instead they want to evaluate this lens at other focal lengths and apertures and they want to evaluate other aspects of performance and image quality. I'll probably use the 14-30 f4 at 14mm wide open about 1/8 of 1 percent of the time and the rest of the time it will be used stopped down and/or at other focal lengths in the range. I still care about how the lens performs at 14mm f4 but I'm going to keep some perspective.
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
Maybe you're seeing what you want to see. I get the feeling that you're fixated on one aspect and one focal length of a zoom lens that covers 14-30mm and has many characteristics that make up the overall image quality and performance. This fixation must be causing you to lose almost any perspective about the lens as a whole. If you use a lens like the 14-30 wide open at 14mm most of the time then maybe finding a 14mm prime is something you should consider.... right tool for the job kind of thing. My guess is that most people don't buy a 14-30 f4 to use primarily at 14mm f4 and instead they want to evaluate this lens at other focal lengths and apertures and they want to evaluate other aspects of performance and image quality. I'll probably use the 14-30 f4 at 14mm wide open about 1/8 of 1 percent of the time and the rest of the time it will be used stopped down and/or at other focal lengths in the range. I still care about how the lens performs at 14mm f4 but I'm going to keep some perspective.
Apr 29, 2019 at 10:19 PM
p.4 #8My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
tek9 wrote:
But there were also complaints how the corrections make it more than 14mm and how it's not the truly stated FOV. The example/comparison clearly illustrates that there's no loss of FOV due to corrections.
Indeed. And after corrections, the 14-24 f2.8 looks to have a narrower FOV at 14mm than the 14-30 f4S, at least at the distance it was used in Suteetat's examples on the last page.
The more I use this little lens, the better I like it. It's a real little gem.
GroovyGeek wrote
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.Indeed. And after corrections, the 14-24 f2.8 looks to have a narrower FOV at 14mm than the 14-30 f4S, at least at the distance it was used in Suteetat's examples on the last page.
The more I use this little lens, the better I like it. It's a real little gem.
Apr 30, 2019 at 02:43 AM
p.4 #9My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
Is there a way to slow down the a animation or control the frame swapping.
You can download the animated GIF then load it into an image editor like Photoshop to see the individual frames.
Is there a way to slow down the a animation or control the frame swapping.
snapsy wrote
Added a comparison to the OP between Adobe ACR and Capture NX-D in terms of how they apply Nikon's built-in geometric lens correction profile (direct link).You can download the animated GIF then load it into an image editor like Photoshop to see the individual frames.
Apr 30, 2019 at 03:29 AM
p.4 #10My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
Hmmmm. what class should 14-30/4 be in?
So far from my own experience, with lens correction, it is not inferior to Sony 12-24/4, Leica WATE, Zeiss 15/2.8, Nikon 14-24/2.8.It does certain things better and certain things worse. And if anything, it seems to have more advantages over the other lenses than disadvantage for most part. For a small, very portable $1300 (and cheapest lens among those I compared to at the same focal length) , I think it already plays well above its level relatively.
Sigma Art 14/1.8 is an odd result. However, a few people
on Dpreview already reported a lot of corner smearing with 14/1.8 on Z6/7 and no problem with D8xx.
If you only care about the extreme corner at 14mm then may be this lens is not for you.
Most of the discussion has centered around the extent and effectiveness of the corrections and its relationship to the class and price point at which Nikon is selling the lens. The images of the 14-24 vs 14-30 from a few posts back illustrate the magnitude of the effect, even after correction, quite clearly.
Hmmmm. what class should 14-30/4 be in?
So far from my own experience, with lens correction, it is not inferior to Sony 12-24/4, Leica WATE, Zeiss 15/2.8, Nikon 14-24/2.8.It does certain things better and certain things worse. And if anything, it seems to have more advantages over the other lenses than disadvantage for most part. For a small, very portable $1300 (and cheapest lens among those I compared to at the same focal length) , I think it already plays well above its level relatively.
Sigma Art 14/1.8 is an odd result. However, a few people
on Dpreview already reported a lot of corner smearing with 14/1.8 on Z6/7 and no problem with D8xx.
If you only care about the extreme corner at 14mm then may be this lens is not for you.
Apr 30, 2019 at 03:51 AM
p.4 #11My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
suteetat wrote:
A quick comparison to Zeiss 15/2.8 ZF.2 .
....Surprisingly, beside the slightly off center where both is pretty much a tie, my 24-30 seems to have better edge and corner than my Zeiss Classic.
Shocking!! The Zeiss gets manhandled by the 15-30 here!!
I would love to see a comparison with the Rokinon/Samyang 14mm - anyone have one to compare with the 14-30?
A quick comparison to Zeiss 15/2.8 ZF.2 .
....Surprisingly, beside the slightly off center where both is pretty much a tie, my 24-30 seems to have better edge and corner than my Zeiss Classic.
Shocking!! The Zeiss gets manhandled by the 15-30 here!!
I would love to see a comparison with the Rokinon/Samyang 14mm - anyone have one to compare with the 14-30?
Apr 30, 2019 at 06:00 PM
p.4 #12My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Cameralabs received and tested a second copy of the Nikkor 14-30 S. https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-14-30mm-f4-s-review/
May 11, 2019 at 05:07 PM
p.4 #13My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Z7 + 14-30mm f4 S at 20mm - 4 images pano stitch
Cheers,
Bernard
May 12, 2019 at 11:39 PM
p.4 #14My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
I'm a bit puzzled by your results. I have the Milvus 2.8/18, not the Milvus or Classic 2.8/15. In the far corner, the Milvus 2.8/18 still clearly outresolves the Z6 sensor and really needs the Z7 sensor to realize the resolution. No problems with reflective specular highlights; backlit in darkness may be another matter, I cannot test this right now. I would say the Milvus 2.8/18 is noticeably better than the Nikon 14-30, but it's 18mm, of course, so I would encourage people who own the Milvus 2.8/15 to chime in. The Milvus 2.8/18 is a new optical build, while the Milvus 2.8/15 apparently retains the Classic 2.8/15 optical formula - so we my need to wait for an update of the 2.8/15 to know more about what Zeiss can achieve at the ultra-wide focal lengths.
Jun 07, 2019 at 07:08 AM
p.4 #15My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
i'd rather just take a picture with it instead. it delivers essentially what I need/want. the ultimate test.
Jun 08, 2019 at 04:36 AM
p.4 #16My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
The flimsy lens pouch is a deal breaker for me. How can Nikon allow themselves to fall they low. Ahem...
AcuteShadows wrote:
Cameralabs received and tested a second copy of the Nikkor 14-30 S. https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-14-30mm-f4-s-review/
AcuteShadows wrote:
Cameralabs received and tested a second copy of the Nikkor 14-30 S. https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-14-30mm-f4-s-review/
Jun 09, 2019 at 01:48 AM
p.4 #17My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
The flimsy lens pouch is a deal breaker for me.
The lens pouch is a free optional gadget. It's not as necessary as the lens hood.
Actually, my Zeiss ZF.2 lenses didn't have any lens pouch in the box.
I have never used Nikon lens pouches, including my AF ED 200/4 Micro hard case.
I have several LowePro lens cases that suits my needs better than any pouch supplied by Nikon.
Many years ago I bought the No. 61 flexible lens pouch (by Nikon). I never used it !! The similar size 7x8 cm lens case by Lowepro is much more useful and practical.
The flimsy lens pouch is a deal breaker for me.
The lens pouch is a free optional gadget. It's not as necessary as the lens hood.
Actually, my Zeiss ZF.2 lenses didn't have any lens pouch in the box.
I have never used Nikon lens pouches, including my AF ED 200/4 Micro hard case.
I have several LowePro lens cases that suits my needs better than any pouch supplied by Nikon.
Many years ago I bought the No. 61 flexible lens pouch (by Nikon). I never used it !! The similar size 7x8 cm lens case by Lowepro is much more useful and practical.
Jun 09, 2019 at 03:03 AM
p.4 #18My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
Someone missed the "Ahem..." at the end of my post
This was a dig at the cameralabs review, bringing up the pouch as a negative.
This was a dig at the cameralabs review, bringing up the pouch as a negative.
Jun 09, 2019 at 05:46 AM
p.4 #20My 14-30mm f/4 Z tests
GroovyGeek wrote:
Someone missed the "Ahem..." at the end of my post
Repetita iuvant
Someone missed the "Ahem..." at the end of my post
Repetita iuvant
Jun 09, 2019 at 12:09 PM