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Nothing stopping you to also try Canon but honestly don't understand why to bother. Sony 70-200 f4 is fantastic lens. Very sharp, light and will run circles around Canon when it comes to AF. I took 1000's images with it in studio and can't fault this lens.

For my personal use i do prefer 100-400GM for more reach and better IQ, much more expensive though.



Jun 14, 2019 at 11:09 AM
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p.2 #2 · Canon 70-200mm f4L II IS on Sony?


I agree with Jordan, and also own the original Canon 70-200mm non-IS, and it works great for me and is plenty sharp on my a7R2s with MC-11.

One point on your dud rental -- perhaps you do not know that Canon generally recommends turning off IS for most lenses when mounted on a tripod or other stationary support. Sony uses the native lens IS, not the Sony IBIS. If you did not turn it off on the Canon lens, you might be getting erroneous attempts by the camera to keep the IS vibrating. Just a thought.



Jun 14, 2019 at 02:06 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
I agree with Jordan, and also own the original Canon 70-200mm non-IS, and it works great for me and is plenty sharp on my a7R2s with MC-11.

One point on your dud rental -- perhaps you do not know that Canon generally recommends turning off IS for most lenses when mounted on a tripod or other stationary support. Sony uses the native lens IS, not the Sony IBIS. If you did not turn it off on the Canon lens, you might be getting erroneous attempts by the camera to keep the IS vibrating. Just a thought.


Thanks for the suggestion, Gunzorro. I did turn off IS for the Canon. . . . I may have done something else wrong or I may have unrealistic expectations, but I don't think so. I think it was a dud. Also, unlike the previous poster's experience with the Sony 70-200 in a studio, LensRentals confirmed my own experience with that lens. They told me that many people are unhappy with it at infinity focus. It was good at closer distances and would therefore be very good in studio, or it may be that the previous poster won the lottery and got a fantastic copy of the lens (may we all also win the lens lottery!).




Jun 14, 2019 at 03:17 PM
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Thanks for the suggestion, Gunzorro. I did turn off IS for the Canon. . . . I may have done something else wrong or I may have unrealistic expectations, but I don't think so. I think it was a dud. Also, unlike the previous poster's experience with the Sony 70-200 in a studio, LensRentals confirmed my own experience with that lens. They told me that many people are unhappy with it at infinity focus. It was good at closer distances and would therefore be very good in studio, or it may be that the previous poster won the lottery and
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i guess you had bad luck or just have unrealistic expectations All 70-200 lenses f4 or f2.8 are great no matter the brand except old Sigma versions. I used to have Canon 70-200 2.8 non IS on 5D2, also had Nikon 70-200 f4 on D180 and now Sony 70-200 f4 on Sony A7R3. All great lenses. I was trying to say that native Sony lens will give you best AF performance. You get to photograph kids running around. Good luck with that using Canon lens through adapter.



Jun 14, 2019 at 05:16 PM
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Have you tried some other EF mount lenses to check there isn't any alignment issue with your camera and/or the adapter?

Having said that almost all zooms will have some slight discrepancy somewhere in the range (and comparing it to the excellent ZM85/4 is setting a high target) but the 70-200/4 L II is regarded as setting new standards for a zoom; LensRentals found it to have lower variance than *ANY* other zoom they have tested - https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/08/mtf-tests-for-the-canon-70-200mm-f4-is-ii/

And then they did a teardown you can see here - https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/08/nearly-complete-teardown-of-the-canon-70-200mm-f4l-is-ii/

The lens is clearly in the same class as the 100-400L, 24-70L II and 35L II when it comes to engineering. Of course problems can still occur and in that teardown it's because of a faulty IS unit. Nonetheless if the replacement you receive doesn't look right you might want to either try swapping out the adapter or mounting the lens on a Canon camera and seeing how it performs. There have been some reported cases of cameras having mounts incorrectly aligned and if it is slightly out and the adapter is slightly out, well it could all add up.

As a side note it looks a wonderful lens. I have long felt a big strength of both Canon and Nikon is consistently updating lenses, even less "exciting" and "exotic" ones, year after year even when the old one was still being sold. This hasn't been something Sony seems keen on. But some lenses they brought out early in E mount could really do with an update to a Mark II version. The 70-300G is actually a good lens if you get a good copy but they are rare, the same applies to the 35/1.4ZA but good ones there are even rarer. They need to sort out the manufacturing for them. Others like the 24-70ZA or 70-200/4G aren't bad but really don't seem good enough when compared to newer lenses, especially now Canon is in the game and has pretty much perfect adaptability EF-RF. It made sense for Sony to rush out some of these "bread and butter" lenses but going forward it will be a pity not to have a top notch native 70-200/4 option while Canon is already there. The 100-400GM, 400GM and 600GM all prove Sony can make high quality telephotos so I hope they redesign some of the earlier ones.



Jun 14, 2019 at 05:21 PM
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The Sony FE 70-200 f/4 G is easily the worst IQ of any 70-200 I have used, which includes the Canon 70-200 f/2.8, 2.8 IS, 2.8 IS II, as well as the Sony FE 70-200 f/2.8 GM.

But yes, the Canon will have worse AF on the Sony bodies.

Edit: Oops, I also owned the Canon 70-200 f/4L and but not the IS (which is reportedly better than the non-IS).

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Jun 14, 2019 at 05:21 PM
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1joel1 wrote:
I went from the Sony 70-200 f4 to the Canon 70-300L f4-5.6 lens. If you can stand the loss of light at the far end, you will be thrilled at how good this lens truly is. You can always try renting lenses and see how they work for you.

Cheers,

Joel


Another vote to check out the 70-300L. It's a lens that often gets dismissed because it is variable aperture and it is expensive new (though you can usually find them at a fair price second hand). I bought mine new and struggle to imagine selling it - I recently got an MC-11 as the EOS-R made me decide I won't be buying a Canon camera again for a while so will test it soon on my A7R III.

But having used it on the 5DS I can say the 70-300L is really excellent - sharp and with a pleasant rendering meaning it can work for portraits. The autofocus on Canon is fabulous and the IS great. And best of all it packs very small (though not light). It has outstanding build quality too.



Jun 14, 2019 at 05:24 PM
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_manny_ wrote:
Another vote to check out the 70-300L. It's a lens that often gets dismissed because it is variable aperture and it is expensive new (though you can usually find them at a fair price second hand). I bought mine new and struggle to imagine selling it - I recently got an MC-11 as the EOS-R made me decide I won't be buying a Canon camera again for a while so will test it soon on my A7R III.

But having used it on the 5DS I can say the 70-300L is really excellent - sharp and with a pleasant rendering meaning
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Hi Manny - Thanks for suggesting the Canon 70-300L. It's next on my list. I've read good reports about it, although it appears that few use it on an A7RIII, probably because when you add the weight of the adapter and length it starts to negate some of its advantages over the Sony 100-400, unless like me you strongly prefer the 70-100mm range to the 300mm-400mm range.

I agree that if I end up having a problem with the replacement 70-200mm I'm getting next week, then I may need to look at alignment of the adapter. However, the Sigma MC-11 I have is brand new from B&H and the MC-11 is reputed to have very little alignment issues. Lensrentals discounted that as a possibility in my telephone call when I suggested to them that that was a possible issue. My stepson who used to work in a different lens rental company told me based on his experience lens that go through lensrental places are pretty heavily abused.

Given that I have about 8 FE lenses and two different A7Riiis (purchased several months apart and separated by about 10,000 in the serial number sequencing) and don't see any difference in swapping lenses between them, I'm pretty sure it's not a camera mount alignment issue.



Jun 14, 2019 at 05:46 PM
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Hi Manny - Thanks for suggesting the Canon 70-300L. It's next on my list. I've read good reports about it, although it appears that few use it on an A7RIII, probably because when you add the weight of the adapter and length it starts to negate some of its advantages over the Sony 100-400, unless like me you strongly prefer the 70-100mm range to the 300mm-400mm range.

I agree that if I end up having a problem with the replacement 70-200mm I'm getting next week, then I may need to look at alignment of the adapter. However, the Sigma MC-11 I
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Ah yes having used that many FE lenses that does suggest it's not your camera and you're right the MC-11 has a good reputation. I'm afraid that many people probably do abuse lenses they rent. It's a sad thing really, I feel it's almost an insult to not treat someone else's property carefully but I think that's how many behave. Years ago I worked one summer at an airport handling car rental returns and it was absurd how people managed to badly damage expensive things in the space of a few hours - and showed no contrition or remorse.

I haven't yet tried the 70-300L adapted but on Canon it's an outstanding lens so I suppose something you must ask yourself is - assuming one day Canon get back into their swing with cameras - you will go back to Canon. Regardless if you get one at a good price second hand you can always sell it later. I think the 100-400GM is an outstanding lens though the 70-300L is a good bit smaller without the adapter - so you might want to consider if you have other EF mount lenses to adapt in which case the adapter size/weight is spread between them. but if you're happy to carry the 100-400GM and want to stick with Sony it would be hard to beat that lens, especially given how well it works with teleconverters.

This review of the 70-300L really summed up quite well what a nicely balanced package it offers:

https://dustinabbott.net/2015/06/canon-ef-70-300mm-f4-5-6l-is-review/

It's one of those lenses that people who actually use it tend to come to appreciate - the build quality, the size for packing, the rendering (especially the gentle fall off in focus for portraits), the rich colours, the autofocus (and alas that might be the issue on Sony) all put it in a league above the other 70-300 lenses. I'm currently working through my EF lenses via the MC-11 and will test it out soon; so far with the latest firmware I've found the 135L and 50L work great so I am hopeful but you're best checking before spending the money on it!!



Jun 14, 2019 at 06:21 PM
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Hi all - reporting back on my further tests of a Canon 70-200mm f4L II IS on a Sony A7RIII with a Sigma MC-11. This is the second copy I received from LensRentals, the first one not performing properly as I previously reported.

In short, the lens is fantastic from 100mm to 200mm. At 135mm, it equals my Batis 135mm by f5.6. At 170mm setting (equal to 180mm Voigtlander), the Canon equals or slightly betters the Voigtlander 180mm f4.5 APO by f5.6. It maintains its incredible sharpness to 200mm.

As the LensRentals tests show, at 70mm, the newest Canon 70-200mm f4IS II L is at its weakest. It equals my very good Sony 24-105mm f4, by f11. At 85mm, it's about a draw with the Sony 24-105mm, with the Sony's extreme corners being better, but the Canon otherwise slightly sharper by f8.

These comparisons were all done on a tripod, self timer of 5 seconds, tripod collar for the Canon 70-200mm f4.

A couple of other comments:

For portrait use, in the series of images I did of my son in a pretty dark hotel room, ISO 4000, 1/125 of a second, f4, it renders and performs beautifully, using Eye AF with Firmware 3.01.

Autofocus on the Canon zoom is excellent for landscapes using single shot focus, center spot. Very accurate. Manual focus is a complete pleasure as well. Autofocus only works, however, in the center of the image (about the center third when using the 3 x 3 gridlines), and a bit above and below the center grid. Continuous autofocus and eye autofocus also work very well in the center region. Probably not as good as my Sony 24-105mm, but very good to excellent. I did not try to track action because that's not a relevant criteria for me, but my guess is that it would track fine in continuous autofocus to about 5-10 feet from the camera, using 3 or 5 fps continuous shooting.

Image stabilization - as others have reported on this forum and elsewhere, with the MC-11, and a Canon that has lens image stabilization, you can only use the len's image stabilization. You cannot choose between the camera's and len's stabilization. The lens image stabilization was good, but I didn't thoroughly test it. I was able to consistently handhold landscape infinity focus images at 200mm at 1/90 of a second so that the results were to my eye indistinguishable from a tripod (although I didn't do a direct comparison), which is, for me, at least, very good. I did not try at 1/60th or 1/45th.

Now the negative - As Roger Cicala at lens rentals consistently reports, no zoom is perfect. From 70mm to about 100mm, the Canon zoom was decentered or titled on the entire right side/edge and especially in the lower right corner, with it being worse at 70mm, and disappearing by about 100mm. At 135mm setting, the Canon's upper left corner (not just the extreme corner) was materially softer. At the 135mm setting, the upper left corner was essentially perfect, however, when stopped down to f8 and excellent by f5.6, so there may have been something else going on.

I am sending this lens back to LR because the rental period is over, and will next test the Canon 70-300mm f4-f5.6L zoom before deciding which to purchase. If I had received this 70-200mm sample from a retailer, I probably would have exchanged it given the significant decentering/tilting of the lower right corner and right side from 70mm - 100mm. It's also possible that this lens was slightly damaged by previous rentals. The 70-200mm lenses are notorious for being rented a lot for weddings, etc.




Jun 24, 2019 at 08:17 AM
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Roger Cicala some time ago (before the is II was released) said in one post that the non-is version was sharper than the IS.

I only have the non-IS and I'm very happy with it.
My copy is super sharp also from 100 to 200mm, and I love that because 200mm is really 200mm unlike other zooms that breathe a lot at portrait distances.
But my copy also has a problem at 70mm, being the edges (specially the left edge) softer than the rest, and it never gets the same sharpness levels as the rest of the range. I tested it in my old a7r2, in the a73 is not that obvious though, haha. But yes, at 70mm for landscape apertures, the cheap tamron 70-300 f4-5.6 VC is a bit sharper, although in the rest of the zoom range (specially at the long end) the Tamron is a mush outside the center and the Canon performs admirably.
BTW, with a bit of care, I can shoot with this non-is lens even at 1/30s at 200mm, which is awesome.



Jun 24, 2019 at 09:56 AM
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I’m thinking of picking up a non-IS copy and a MC-11. Does IBIS work with it? I plan on doing mostly handheld shooting, and if as reported above the IS version (Id get version I, not II) requires only lens image stabilization, that’s a disincentive for me. I’m also considering the Sony 70-300 G and Canon 70-300. Mostly looking for lowest weight and good IQ in the 200 range.
numbertwo wrote:
Roger Cicala some time ago (before the is II was released) said in one post that the non-is version was sharper than the IS.

I only have the non-IS and I'm very happy with it.
My copy is super sharp also from 100 to 200mm, and I love that because 200mm is really 200mm unlike other zooms that breathe a lot at portrait distances.
But my copy also has a problem at 70mm, being the edges (specially the left edge) softer than the rest, and it never gets the same sharpness levels as the rest of the range. I tested it in
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Jun 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM
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MFoucs wrote:
I’m thinking of picking up a non-IS copy and a MC-11. Does IBIS work with it? I plan on doing mostly handheld shooting, and if as reported above the IS version (Id get version I, not II) requires only lens image stabilization, that’s a disincentive for me. I’m also considering the Sony 70-300 G and Canon 70-300. Mostly looking for lowest weight and good IQ in the 200 range.



Yes, ibis works perfect.
I forgot to mention the af performance.
I'm my old a7r2, the lens was fast and very accurate focusing with mc-11 and metabones 4, but not reliable, I mean, with fast moving subjects moving towards the camera, the lens used to miss them and then it took longer to find focus again, and sometimes the lens just stopped focusing at all and I needed to turn the camera off and on.

With my a73 now, the focusing is much better and I haven't had any lock up so far (only tested sigma mc-11).

Interestingly, in both my a7r2 and a73 (prior 3.0 update for the a73) the lens could not focus outside the center at 200mm and close. Zooming in, you could only focus in the central area.
However after the 3.0 update, the area where you can focus is much larger, but still not the edges Zooming in. In the wide end of the zoom there are less problems, I haven't really tested the very edges but I would say it's fine, taking into account that in my experience, all the adapted lenses have accuracy issues near the edges when holding the camera in portrait position (and it's more accurate in the same focus points holding the camera in landscape orientation).

Still, also curious to note that my adapted lenses are more accurate focusing than my native lenses. But yes, I used to have the Sony 85 and the Sony 28 that were very accurate but I don't have them anymore, and in the Sony 50 1.8 (at close distances) the accuracy is pretty bad for eye-af (and was bad as well in the a7r2), and with my samyang 85 1.4 I also have accuracy issues for eye af in af-c. With the Canon 70-200, eye af is much better



Jun 24, 2019 at 11:30 AM
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Great. Thanks. This is super helpful. I think I'll pull the trigger on a used non-IS this week to give it a go.

numbertwo wrote:
Yes, ibis works perfect.
I forgot to mention the af performance.
I'm my old a7r2, the lens was fast and very accurate focusing with mc-11 and metabones 4, but not reliable, I mean, with fast moving subjects moving towards the camera, the lens used to miss them and then it took longer to find focus again, and sometimes the lens just stopped focusing at all and I needed to turn the camera off and on.

With my a73 now, the focusing is much better and I haven't had any lock up so far (only tested sigma mc-11).

Interestingly, in both my a7r2 and
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Jun 24, 2019 at 12:54 PM
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p.2 #15 · Canon 70-200mm f4L II IS on Sony?


The Canon with the metabones V does not focus with the A7r4. I just upload the newest metabones software but it still does not work. Anyone else having this problem?


Oct 12, 2019 at 05:14 PM
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Sigma MC11 + Canon 70-300mm F4 IS L works very well on the A7RIV. That's my only Canon lens and only adapter. Sorry can't be more help.


Oct 12, 2019 at 07:04 PM
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I used to own the Nikon 70-200mm f4 VR and that lens is much better optically than the Sony 70-200 f4 G. If I owned a Z6/Z7 I'd have no problem adapting the Nikon lens. Saying that, I do own a decent copy of the Sony 70-200 f4 G for my Sony bodies and it's still plenty sharp for my uses. Maybe I'd wait for Tamron to release their upcoming telephoto zoom.


Oct 12, 2019 at 08:32 PM
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I can't get the Canon 70-200 f/4 II to focus on the R4 with the metabones V, it just hunts. Any thoughts?

Don



Oct 14, 2019 at 09:59 AM
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hup353 wrote:
I can't get the Canon 70-200 f/4 II to focus on the R4 with the metabones V, it just hunts. Any thoughts?

Don


On the III with the MC-11 it will focus in the middle 2/3s.





Oct 14, 2019 at 10:01 AM
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I've been testing the Canon 70-200 f/4 II with the r4 and it's working nicely (after I figured out the correct metabones setting). Focusing is fairly fast and it does not hunt much except in really low light. I've thought about selling this lens and buying the Sony but I'm going to keep working with it, I only use it for landscapes.

Don



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