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steveashe wrote:
Nice images Mitch! Are you able to provide an update on your thoughts on the GRIII (or anyone else that owns that camera)? I owned a GRII for a while and used it 1st extensively on a couple of trips to Europe and Greece and I remember liking it very much. The GR III looks like a winner - except for the battery life and slow focus in low light. The non tilt screen is not a problem and neither is lack of built in flash. I don’t remember the battery being terrible on the GR II but I always
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Steve, thanks - Haven't been able to shoot enough for a review. All I can say is that I like the GR III and will keep it, although I never buy a camera with the idea that I might return it. As stated earlier, I don't want an articulated LCD and don't need flash. I like the color rendition and also the B&W I can get from the DNG files. The IBIS works well: the picture of the Gauguin painting at the Louis Vuitton Foundation exhibition, The Courtauld Collection: A Vision for Impressionism, was taken at 1/15th second, and I've had good results at ¼ second. The auto-focus worked quickly for this image because there were sharp edges. Generally, though, in low, flat light the auto-focus is slow, substantially slower than that of the GRD IV. Some people think that Ricoh will improve this with a firmware upgrade. I don't know, but whenever I shoot fast I use Snap Focus.

On the battery life, the dealer tells me that users report that it increases after a few charges. I have that impression as well but am not sure because I've haven't shot enough to have to change batteries on the same day I started using it. I have one spare and will have to see if I'll need another one.

I've tried a few shots with the 35 and 50 mm crops. The 35 mm one has no issue for me, and the 50 mm may be fine for me, but I haven't tried it enough under different light conditions. In the second image below the focus is on the 100-year old embossing press at about 1 meter so the sweater, substantially closer, is out of focus at f/2.8. (This picture was taken at ISO 100, but it seems that the base ISO is 200 and that 100 is a pull.)

I haven't had time to try out the 21mm EFOV wide-converter.


Ricoh GRD III | ISO 400 | f/2.8 | 1/15 sec

Paris


Ricoh GRD III | ISO 100 | f/2.8 | 1/40 sec | 50mm EFOV crop setting

Wier, Friesland, Netherlands


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Mar 30, 2019 at 02:47 PM
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p.4 #2 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


Thanks for the reply Mitch. I'm champing at the bit for the GRIII. I used a Sony RX100 vi on a recent trip (needed the longer zoom as backup for my A7R3/100-400 kit). Now that I'm home I don't need the zoom (I want a faster lens as well) and would like to move to APS-c sensor; it looks like the GRIII would serve me well as street/local photography camera.


Mar 31, 2019 at 11:38 AM
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For those that need extra batteries the Olympus LI-92B (or clones) work fine in the GRIII. You can get a two back with charger for about $15 on Amazon. Make sure it is the 92B (for the TG-5) not the earlier LI-92 as that is a smaller battery for a different camera.

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Mar 31, 2019 at 11:55 AM
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p.4 #4 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


I notice on my GRIII that the lens makes a slight squeak when retracting. Any other GRIII owners experiencing the same behavior?


Apr 02, 2019 at 04:01 PM
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Ricoh’s New GR III Afflicted by Wobbly Control Dial, Ricoh Offers Free Fix

https://petapixel.com/2019/04/02/ricohs-new-gr-iii-afflicted-by-wobbly-control-dial-ricoh-offers-free-fix/



Apr 02, 2019 at 08:29 PM
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2. Fn Button: assigned to Set Snap — Pressing Fn Button now switch between Snap Focus and Touch Select Auto Focus.

I don't know whether this will apply to the GR3 but my favorite way to handle focus on the GR was a lesser known trick of leaving the camera in Snap and.,if you had back button focus set up, you could still AF while in Snap by pressing the AF/L button. So you could AF and lock at 5 meters with the back button but be in Snap preset to 2 meters, for example. So you fairly instantly have 2 preset focus distances. It's not a toggle though, so once you trigger the Snap with the shutter button you'd need to AF again to get that second distance.








Apr 02, 2019 at 08:58 PM
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The GR3 has an APS-C f/2.8 lens. How would that do in low light compared with a 1"type f/1.8 lens? The 1" type sensor area is about 116 sq mm versus APS-C which is 367 sq mm.

We need a pocket street/indoor no-flash camera.



Apr 03, 2019 at 03:31 AM
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The GR3 has an APS-C f/2.8 lens. How would that do in low light compared with a 1"type f/1.8 lens? The 1" type sensor area is about 116 sq mm versus APS-C which is 367 sq mm.

We need a pocket street/indoor no-flash camera.


Those lenses are pretty close for light gathering / DOF control, with about half a stop advantage for the APS-C camera (FF equivalent f/4.9 for the 1 inch camera, f/4.2 for the APS-C camera).

Maybe there is some extra advantage with GRIII because its lens is likely optically better when used wide open (especially in the corners, which may or may not matter ...). This depends on which 1 inch camera you are comparing with (some of them are quite good wide open, others need stopping down a bit). Anyway difference is relatively small and other factors like sensor technology, exposure accuracy, RAW processing etc. also play their part.



Apr 03, 2019 at 06:25 AM
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You might want to wait until Ricoh solves the issues with its production:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/2495300791/ricoh-says-it-will-repair-gr-iii-cameras-affected-by-a-wobbly-control-dial-scroll-wheel

Low light af is also very slow unless you use mf/snap focus:
GRII vs GR III

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walts.photo wrote:
The GR3 has an APS-C f/2.8 lens. How would that do in low light compared with a 1"type f/1.8 lens? The 1" type sensor area is about 116 sq mm versus APS-C which is 367 sq mm.

We need a pocket street/indoor no-flash camera.





Apr 03, 2019 at 08:00 AM
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Thanks for the alert and videos. Between the wheel issue, low-light focus, and removal of TAv, I'm kinda glad I held off.

For me, snap focus would not be considered a viable alternative in low light. AF is certainly one feature they needed to improve. If those videos are accurate, that's really disappointing.

Perhaps the GR III is pushing against the limitations of very small form factors.

John



Apr 03, 2019 at 09:38 AM
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John - Of the issues you mention, only the slowness of the low-light auto-focus would concern me — and that only if AF were important to me, as I am much more interested in the minimal shutter lag that you get form using Snap focus. It's strange that the AF is substantially slower in low light than that of the GRDiv. I don't know how it compares to that of the GR II. I would hope that this will be improved through firmware updates.

I'm not an apologist for Ricoh, but the wheel is fine on my camera, even though my serial number falls within those identified in the Ricoh recall on this: I'll eventually get this wheel replaced during the two-year warranty. The Tav can be set up using the Tv mode.

Ricoh GR III | ISO 200 | f/2.8 | 1/160sec

Paris



Apr 04, 2019 at 07:24 AM
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Thanks, Mitch. Your photos with it look very good.

Can you tell me, if you set both aperture and shutter manually, does auto ISO still function? Not many cameras offer that and I relied on it with the GR.

I always used snap focus when the light was sufficient. You're in f11 land, but here in gray Chicago reasonable AF speed is important. One of the videos above compares the II and III low light AF. If that's accurate, it's pretty disappointing.

John



Apr 04, 2019 at 12:10 PM
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John - Thanks. I'm happy with the image quality and the ease of use and size of the camera.

Low-light AF on the GR III is dismally slow. Seems to me that Ricoh has to fix that.

I believe you can set up the camera to set the aperture and the shutter manually and have the ISO speed change automatically, which I guess is the equivalent of the Tav mode. Also, I read a post somewhere stating that this can be done.

I don't know more because I've always been happy using setting ISO manually and using manual exposure, by assigning in manual exposure (M Mode) One Push AE in M Mode to the Drive/Right Button. Pressing this button brings up the Exposure Indicator (bar) and "centers" the suggested "optimum" exposure; I then use the ADJ./EV Compensation Lever to adjust the shutter speed, usually increasing the shutter speed to underexpose a bit. All very fast.



Apr 04, 2019 at 04:38 PM
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I'm curious. Given it has similar light gathering capability as the Sony RX100, what does this have over the Sony that you guys are picking it?


Apr 04, 2019 at 05:23 PM
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The reason is the extra dynamic range and optically corrected lens in comparison to RX100, but the low light af is a bummer. I got a used XF10 and has also slow af, at least at a cheaper price. In comparison Canon G1X M3 has a much better af with the apsc sensor, but again zoom comes with distortion correction plus the bigger size.

Here is the dynamic range for GR III:
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Ricoh%20GR%20III

Per Photonstophotos/Bill Claff:
"Noise Reduction (NR) is baked into the raw files starting at ISO 200. This is an unusually low ISO setting to start NR. The camera also exhibited very strong Fixed Pattern Noise (FPN) in the deep shadows. It's unclear whether this FPN would show in any "normal" photograph; I suspect you would need an extreme push to see it. I think hard pushes in the shadows might also be prone to color shifts."

hiepphotog wrote:
I'm curious. Given it has similar light gathering capability as the Sony RX100, what does this have over the Sony that you guys are picking it?





Apr 04, 2019 at 07:01 PM
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Two pictures of the demonstration in Paris for yesterday's teacher strike. The second picture was taken using the GR III's 50mm EFOV crop mode, four seconds after the first one. I find the 35 an 50 crop modes very usable and quick, having assigned the Crop function to the Movie/Wireless button, where the Flash Open button was on the GRDiv.


Ricoh GR III | ISO 200 | f/4.5 | 1/400 sec | 28mm EFOV



Ricoh GR III | ISO 200 | f/4.5 | 1/400 sec | 50mm EFOV]

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Apr 05, 2019 at 01:48 AM
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The GRIII is ever so slightly faster to focus than the II, but not to the point where it would be considered a speed demon. The addition of PDAF isn't that much of a help, especially since it has to move the entire lens assembly. When it locks, it's accurate, but you'll see it rack back and forth before locking. When taking pictures in an arcade, it struggled to focus on my daughter playing. Eventually when it focused and took the picture, the results were as fine as I could expect from a 2.8 APS-C, just the process of taking the picture was glacially slow. Comparatively the a6400 with the 20mm f/2.8 in a different setting (but also low light), had no issues with focusing. The GRIII is considerably sharper than the 20mm f/2.8 pancake though. Seems like we can't have both, there's tradeoffs. Either sharp and slow or fast and soft.


Apr 08, 2019 at 10:52 AM
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serhan_ wrote:
The reason is the extra dynamic range and optically corrected lens in comparison to RX100, but the low light af is a bummer. I got a used XF10 and has also slow af, at least at a cheaper price. In comparison Canon G1X M3 has a much better af with the apsc sensor, but again zoom comes with distortion correction plus the bigger size.

Here is the dynamic range for GR III:
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Ricoh%20GR%20III

Per Photonstophotos/Bill Claff:
"Noise Reduction (NR) is baked into the raw files starting at ISO 200. This is an unusually low ISO setting to start NR. The camera also
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Nice jump from the GRII's DR.



Apr 08, 2019 at 11:32 AM
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TMaG82 wrote:
The GRIII is ever so slightly faster to focus than the II, but not to the point where it would be considered a speed demon. The addition of PDAF isn't that much of a help, especially since it has to move the entire lens assembly. When it locks, it's accurate, but you'll see it rack back and forth before locking. When taking pictures in an arcade, it struggled to focus on my daughter playing. Eventually when it focused and took the picture, the results were as fine as I could expect from a 2.8 APS-C, just the process of taking
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I beg to differ on your conclusion that the tradeoff between sharpness and camera speed is "Either sharp and slow or fast and soft". That is only true for anyone who wants to use autofocus all the time for any type of photography, including street photography — and photographing your daughter playing in an arcade. Even cameras with state-of-the-art autofocus speed like the Nikon 850 are not ideal for this type of photography: autofocus is just a dumb auto-mechanism to focus the lens, whose success still depends on the photographer telling it what to focus on. For street photography zone focusing — the systematic pre-focusing of a lens at specific distance and aperture to achieve a sharp image — is preferable. That is what Weege's dictum, "f/8 and be there" is all about. And that is what Ricoh's Snap Focus is. When using Snap Focus on the GR III there is as little shutter lag as with a Leica rangefinder camera. Actually, I have always thought of Ricoh's GRD and the digital GR cameras as today's "Barnack" cameras — because of their easy of one-handed shooting.

By no means do I think that the GR III is for everybody. I like it for the ease of one-hand shooting and for it's size, which allows it to be put into a pocket or worn on a belt. In an earlier thread I mentioned that I miss neither a viewfinder nor an articulated LCD monitor. These two items seem to be routine comments by hack blog reviewers, one of them stating that an articulated LCD is good for discreet hip-shots — believe me a photographer holding an small camera at his or her hip while looking down on articulated LCD monitor extended horizontally attracts as much attention as one looking through a viewfinder. Not to mention that adding an EVF and an articulated LCD monitor would significantly require incasing the size of this camera.

The first picture below was below was literally a walk-by hip-shot: I was holding the camera at my right side, with my thumb on shutter, which I pressed when I saw the waiter extending his arm. To shoot the second picture, I simply pointed the camera ahead of me to get the low viewpoint. Incidentally, I normally would have used Snap Focus at 1.5m for these shots, but here used auto-focus to try it out. The GR III is fast in daylight with some contrast, but struggles in low light.

The third picture is another example of using the 50mm crop, which I'm finding very useful. In this case, the autofocus was fine because of the contrast of the light — this was shoot in converation and is not a posed portrait.The fourth picture, shot at 1/13 sec, shows the effectiveness of the IBIS of the GR III. Finally, the last picture, is a street portrait taken with the 50mm EFOV crop facility. Again, in this intense, high-contrast light, the autofocus is fast. (In this one, I've added grain in LR.)


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/6.3 | 1/800 sec

Paris


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/6.3 | 1/1000 sec

Paris


Ricoh GR III | ISO 800 | f/2.8 | 1/40 sec | 50mm EFOV facility

Potomac, MD


Ricoh GR III | ISO 200 | f/4.5 | 1/13 sec

Paris


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/11 | 1/640 sec | 50mm EFOV facility

Paris

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Apr 12, 2019 at 01:24 PM
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I thought I should add this picture, since it's one of my favorites that I've taken with the GR III. Two weeks ago, I spent three days in the Netherlands meeting with the team for the design and production of my book project, whose working title is “What’s in a Haiku”, incuding a designer, a lithographer and a bookbinder. This image is of the beach in Wier in the Frieslad Province, with a dike built in the 15th century behind me.


Ricoh GR III | ISO 100 | f/6.3 | 1/40 sec



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