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Mitch Alland
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John Wolf wrote:
I just canceled my pre-order. Nothing to do with the GR; no question it's the perfect street camera, IMO. But I'm thinking over my personal direction and am not sure I'll continue with street work. We'll see if I can resist. The GRs has been my favorite cameras ever...


I hear you, John. But looking at my old street shots with the GRDx cameras, seems to me there's no need to give up this genre, particularly in cities like Bangkok and Tokyo, where it's never viewed as a hostile act and where there is so much dynamism, megacities.

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Mar 15, 2019 at 10:24 PM
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Yeah, Mitch, it would be a shame to hang it up. But in the US people are so sensitive, and although I'm good at stealth shooting, I don't enjoy it. The problem is, humans going about their lives is pretty much the only genre I find rewarding.

Regarding 28mm, that focal length on an APS-C sensor, combined with snap focus, makes the GR perfect for the kind of quick, nimble, one-handed shooting you mention. And the new IBIS feature should make that even better.

The GR is also one of the few camera I've used that has auto ISO with manual shutter and aperture. So f8 / 250 and let the ISO run is a perfect street configuration.

Johnn



Mar 16, 2019 at 08:18 AM
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AlexNOR wrote:
That's not the manual for the new Ricoh GR III, but for an older model with a similar name "GR DIGITAL III".



Here's the manual for the new model: http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/gr-3.pdf

I've had a quick look to refresh my understanding of the options for when my preorder arrives later this month. It's been a few years since I had the original APSC GR.

Eager to have one back in my kit.



Mar 16, 2019 at 11:31 AM
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p.3 #4 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


Someone broke into my house a couple of weeks ago and stole my M typ240 and a couple of zeiss lenses. I bought it used years ago and the insurance company asked me if I had photos with the camera and/or the camera itself, so I had to go through my LR archive. It was mostly street photos. For fun I counted my street photos, turns out I have 41k of them over 11 years with all sorts of cameras from MF film to all brands of RFs to DSLRs to mirorless to cheap digital P&Ss. I stopped street photography completely 3 years ago (kids/work/life), but just looking at my photos I got a bit of an itch again

So, the camera. Looking at my photos I've learned two things: In hindsight nobody, including myself, gave a crap about the image quality. The only ones who noticed were fellow photographers, but honestly they were never my target viewers. Everybody else was thirsty for interesting content, that's all they cared about. They wanted faces, expressions, colours, shapes, light, drama and comedy. Get a bunch of that in a frame and nobody cares if there's some noise in the shadows or if the colours are not accurate. Then came an exhibition, big prints, and I found that a file out of a $200 point and shoot will print huge, just with massive grain and various IQ horrors. Again, nobody cared, the particular photo was super popular.

2nd thing I learned is that street photography has a very low yield. It takes time and volume, you need to invest hours, move your feet, take tonnes of photos, and if you're lucky and persistent (and good) you'll get 10 photos really worth showing over a long period of time. Could be weeks, months, years. That was as true for Cartier Bresson as it is today. And what really helps in that direction? Having a camera you can slide in your pocket and keep with you everywhere. There is really no more important thing. Looking back my most productive cameras were always the smallest ones. My Leicas as much as I loved them were terrible, too big, too precious, they demanded a bag. Small means one thing and one thing only: flat, ie the dimension front of the lens to the back of the camera, this is the only dimension that matters because it determines how many pant or jacket pockets or glove boxes or computer bags it will fit in.

Do I need a viewfinder? No. Again, looking back at my photos, many if not most of them were taken by zone focusing and simply stretching my arm out to shove the camera in a crowd or in a weird angle. Was I shooting blindly? No, after a while I just knew. I could point the camera behind my head and I had a pretty good idea what would be in my frame, that's what happens if you do it long enough.

So, perfect camera in terms of results? Flat and has the ability to quickly zone focus, that's it. Honestly a modern phone could do it, if it had an ergonomic grip and shutter button, but they don't. Ricoh GR: yes this camera is perfect. I had a GR1 for a short while and it gave me an impressive yield of usable photos. Aaaaaand I hated it. Like I said before I don't need a viewfinder, I know where my frame is, and those times that I need accuracy I can look at the LCD. But I want one, even if I don't always use it. I even tried putting an external glass VF on that Ricoh's flash mount, it was a disaster, it was allover the place. There's just something about bringing a camera to my face and looking through optical glass that makes the whole experience more pleasant and more sustainable to me. It makes no difference to my photos, sometimes it even holds me back, but I just enjoy it more. And yeah some times I take a photo through a glass window and then I look at the photo and there's the reflection of me with a camera on my face, and I'm like "hey look at that, I look like a photographer"
I know it's dumb, but it is a thing. Ιt puts me in some kind of a photo taking mood, which I need.

Second best camera that satisifies both the flat/prefocus criteria as much as possible but also has a glass VF: Fuji x100. I'll probably go with that.

I know most people will have no idea what I'm talking about but I know there will be at least one guy who does. This wall of text is for you



Mar 16, 2019 at 09:45 PM
Mitch Alland
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p.3 #5 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


Just picked up the GR III today. Happy to see that it fits perfectly into the old leather case for the GRD IV (with belt loop), which has much higher leather quality than the case for the GR III. Charging the battery now...

Lot of the reports on the GR III — there are too many that just list features — complain about the lack of flash and an articulated LCD. I don't miss either of these.



Mar 19, 2019 at 11:23 AM
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p.3 #6 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


Congrats, Mitch. You're the first I've heard of to have the camera. Look forward to your impressions.

John



Mar 19, 2019 at 03:29 PM
Mitch Alland
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Only managed a few trial shots indoors before getting bogged down for a couple of hours trying to set up the camera for street shooting before going out for a late evening walk — didn't get out because the battery ran out. I'm waiting for the dealer to get a second battery.

My reference point for the setup is what I used on the GRDiv: M Mode with exposure compensation assigned to the rocker button: pressing the rocker button (in AV Priority) sets the shutter speed to the "optimal exposure, shown in the middle of exposure indicator (bar). I then adjust the shutter according to the exposure I want, as seen on the histogram and on the exposure bar. This adjustment, I always found was a fast and practical method.

Now, the GRiii has no rocker button, nor any other means that I could find for centering on the suggested "optimal exposure", to which the final adjustment could then be made. At this stage, the M Mode looks useless to me because all I can do is to move the indicator along the exposure indicator bar, which is slow in the absence of a way to center it first. Maybe I'm missing something but can't see that I am, having looked extensively at the user manual.

Next, I tried to Av Mode. The user manual states that If [Auto EV Compensation] is set to [On], the exposure is automatically compensated when the correct exposure cannot be achieved in Av or Tv mode. The way this works is if I pan the camera from the light side of a room he the dark one, the shutter speed decreases along this path. When I stop along this path, I can adjust the EV Compensation with the ADJ to what I want by looking at the histogram — but I would have wanted to see the exposure indicator bar as well. In other words, I would have preferred the M Mode with a centering facility. As far as I'm concerned, Ricoh has screwed up a great way for quick manual focus that the Gr iv had — I don't know if the GR II had this.

Does anyone know if there is a better setup for effective manual exposure adjustment than AV Mode with Auto EV Compensation together with with ADJ for manual EV/shutter adjustment, as I have just set up now?

For focusing I've set up the Fn button to change between AF-Touch and Set Snap Focus. In this way I can either use the touch screen to set the AF target or switch to Snap Focus in more dynamic situations.

The couple of test shots I was able to make have very good color and also are easily processed into dramatic B&W. Otherwise, all this trouble on setting up an exposure method wouldn't be worth it.


EDIT: Some progress: I've figured from the user manual that I can assign in M Mode the One Push AE in M Mode to the Fn. That centers the exposure for the suggested optimum.

Now I have to see if I can assign somewhere else the switch between AF-Touch and Set Snap Focus. Anyone know how to do this?

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Mar 19, 2019 at 11:27 PM
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I'd better continue this in a new post. The next solution, for the switch between SNAP focus and AutoFocus is simply to use the half-press of the shutter for AF and turn the menu on for the Full Press Snap for SNAP focus. That should work okay, but the GRD iv had two Fn buttons, and I had the switch between SNAP focus and AF set to the Fn2 button. Does anyone know how to do that with the GRiii? I had thought it might be possible with the setting for the press of the ADJ — but I haven't been able to do that.


Mar 20, 2019 at 04:44 AM
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Spyro P. wrote:
Someone broke into my house a couple of weeks ago and stole my M typ240 and a couple of zeiss lenses. I bought it used years ago and the insurance company asked me if I had photos with the camera and/or the camera itself, so I had to go through my LR archive. It was mostly street photos. For fun I counted my street photos, turns out I have 41k of them over 11 years with all sorts of cameras from MF film to all brands of RFs to DSLRs to mirorless to cheap digital P&Ss. I stopped street
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This is so true! Hated the previous Ricoh too.. as someone who were used to Nikon FF ans Sony FF, its a bit letdown in usability and ergonomics.

This or the sony rx100 which I could use for scuba..



Mar 20, 2019 at 10:03 AM
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p.3 #10 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


^ Have no idea what you're talking about. The Ricoh GRD cameras had a great user interface and could be set up to shoot street photography with virtually no shutter lag. My frustration above was with the setup process on the GRIII, which was difficult for me because it has changed — and been improved — from that of the GRDiv I last used. Below are a few random pictures I just took: just to show the color, with which I'm pleased.

Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/4 | 1/250 sec

Paris

Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/4 | 1/250 sec

Paris

Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/4 | 1/400 sec

Paris




Mar 20, 2019 at 10:57 AM
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p.3 #11 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


Mitch Alland wrote:
EDIT: Some progress: I've figured from the user manual that I can assign in M Mode the One Push AE in M Mode to the Fn. The centers the exposure for the suggested optimum.

Now I have to see if I can assign somewhere else the switch between AF-Touch and Set Snap Focus. Anyone know how to do this?


I think I'd miss the rocker switch. I used it a lot.

Not sure if my exposure technique will work on the III, but I'll share it, FWIW.

I use TaV, which sets manual aperture and shutter and let's ISO run. I typically use f8/250. I have the AE/AF button set to AE only and lock/hold. On the street I point the camera at something middle gray and press the AE button, which essentially locks ISO. All three variables are now held until I press the button again. It's somewhat like using an external meter with a manual camera, but faster.

When the light changes, I take another quick middle gray reading, although this time you need to press twice - once to cancel the previous hold and once to capture the new.

Combined with snap focus, this works really well in good light. Exposure and focus decisions are pretty much eliminated. For snap focus, I set one back button to turn it on/off and another button to select distance.

Is the button on the left side still there? I used it to turn on focus points. Although they probably figured the touch display makes that unnecessary.

John




Mar 20, 2019 at 02:04 PM
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p.3 #12 · Pre-order now: Ricoh GR III


John - There is now only Tv and Av, but no TaV mode. However, I read somewhere the the equivalent of TaV can somehow be set up on the GR III. I didn't pay much attention to that because, so far, I've preferred to select the ISO rather than using auto-ISO.

The Fn key on the top left is still there: it's what I'm using for "centering" the exposure indicator in the manual exposure mode — it's functionally the closest to how I shoot with a Leica-M. That, together with touch select AF and hard press SNAP focus works well for me now, so that I can shoot as quickly and fluidly as I did with the GRD IV.



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Mar 20, 2019 at 05:32 PM
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Wanted the III but it wouldn’t come in time for my trip to Vegas so picked up the II. Now I have the III coming in tomorrow. I’ll miss some things (no TAv), but won’t miss others (I never used the flash and rarely the rocker for + and - for exposure comp). Will like the closer macro, will like the touch screen for focus, and like the swipe. Won’t like the lower battery and indifferent about the size.

Will hold onto both for a while before I decide what to do with the II.



Mar 20, 2019 at 06:16 PM
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I just got a II. The price is good.


Mar 20, 2019 at 06:45 PM
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Mitch Alland wrote:
I'd better continue this in a new post. The next solution, for the switch between SNAP focus and AutoFocus is simply to use the half-press of the shutter for AF and turn the menu on for the Full Press Snap for SNAP focus. That should work okay, but the GRD iv had two Fn buttons, and I had the switch between SNAP focus and AF set to the Fn2 button. Does anyone know how to do that with the GRiii? I had thought it might be possible with the setting for the press of the ADJ — but I
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Finally figured out how to make use of two function buttons to get what I want in manual exposure mode (M Mode), essentially allowing me to shoot the way I do with a Leica-M camera.

1. Drive Button: assigned One Push AE in M Mode — Pressing the Drive Button now "centers" the exposure on the Exposure Indicator bar for the recommended optimal exposure. I can then adjust the Aperture or Shutter Speed as I wish.

2. Fn Button: assigned to Set Snap — Pressing Fn Button now switch between Snap Focus and Touch Select Auto Focus.






Mar 21, 2019 at 10:25 AM
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Interesting that the brochure for the Ricoh GR III concentrates on photography: no ad-speak at all, just a dozen full-page or double-page spreads of images taken by Ichigo Sugawara in Paris with the new camera and, at the end of the brochure, the camera specs. The images here:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/gr-3/gallery/?utm_source=gr3_news_e&utm_medium=textlink&utm_campaign=gr_spgallery

You can see that the the 5th and the 7th images were taken using the camera's 50mm crops; a couple of the other ones were with the 35mm crop. Actually, I wasn't thinking of even trying the 50mm crop, only the 35mm one. However, the look of these 50mm-crop images makes me want to try out the 50mm crop.



Mar 22, 2019 at 11:48 AM
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Taken across the table at lunch today, focus probably at 80 cm. In this light, the autofocus was fast, but in low light it's slow: slower than my GRD IV. However, that is not important for me because I expect to use the GR III with SNAP focus to eliminate any shutter lag. I added a bit of grain in Lightroom.


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/2.8 | 1/400 sec

Paris

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Mar 23, 2019 at 05:44 PM
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Not much activity here...
Two different types of B&W. The second one is literally a walk-by hip-shot.
(I haven't tried Highlight-Weighted Metering yet.)


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/2.8 | 1/100 sec

Paris


Ricoh GR III | ISO 400 | f/6.3 | 1/1000 sec

Paris



Mar 25, 2019 at 11:04 PM
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Nice images Mitch! Are you able to provide an update on your thoughts on the GRIII (or anyone else that owns that camera)? I owned a GRII for a while and used it 1st extensively on a couple of trips to Europe and Greece and I remember liking it very much. The GR III looks like a winner - except for the battery life and slow focus in low light. The non tilt screen is not a problem and neither is lack of built in flash. I don’t remember the battery being terrible on the GR II but I always walk around with a spare in any case. I’ve read some user reports that it is absymal.

Whaddaya think?



Mar 29, 2019 at 07:01 PM
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I'm curious to know if the lens of the GR III is as good as the one in the GR I and II, in terms of sharpness across the frame (which was great even wide open) and bokeh.

I find the battery of my GR I not terrible, but I always do carry one spare with me. I hope the GR III isn't significantly worse...



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