For several months (!) I set an aspect ratio in my cameras (5Diii, 7D), thinking all it did was draw lines in the viewfinder. WRONG! The camera saves the entire (un-altered aspect ratio) image just fine but it also writes the aspect ratio into the raw file header somewhere. The result is that when I open the file in CS5, say, I only get the cropped image and not the whole image. The info panel in CS5 says my image is 4800 wide instead of 5760. When I open the file in DPP, it displays the whole image with white lines indicating the crop, and only lets me edit the cropped portion.
Is there a way to get rid of the aspect ratio in DPP and re-write the raw file without the aspect ratio, so that CS5's ACR or other editors can get the whole image?
I removed the aspect ratio setting from the cameras so I won't have this issue in the future but I have months of raws that I would like to fix and can't seem to find a way to do it.
I went through the preferences and all the menus andI can't find a way to to it in bulk. It won't let you create a recipe using the crop tool. Lot of work one by one.
I'm not positive if my experience translates to your post-processing setup, but here goes.
I prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio, and I have my 5DsR set to default to that and show it in live view instead of showing the full 3:2 ratio image.
When I import my raw files into ACR/Bridge, the software "respects" that option and begins by showing me a 4:3 cropped version of the file. However, if I chose the option to remove the crop (which you can do to all of the files in a current directory at one time if necessary) the missing portions of the raw file are revealed. They were there the whole time, but the default crop simply hid them.
It greyed it out when I tried after adjusting the ratio. It let me create one by adjusting exposure. Maybe I did something incorrectly. If so then this will be easy with a recipe. I have one to apply DLO for multiple files.
gdan: Thanks for the alternate approach....I don't seem to have a "remove crop option" anywhere.....is this just a CC option? I'm in CS5.
Zenon: Thanks, I've had the same results as you.
I have tried the "Trimming Angle" tool, which looks like it ought to do what I need. I can change the aspect ratoio, and it removes the border lines and gives me the whole image. I can "convert and save" to a tiff, and get the whole file that way but not as a raw file. If I just do Save As, it creates a .CR2 file as it should but the file still has the crop in it when I open it in ACR. Arggh!
UPdate: I found DPP ver. 4, but it behaves pretty much like ver. 3 in that I can change the aspect ratio to remove the 5:4 crop and restore the 3:2 crop, but when I save the file Photoshop still reads it as 5:4.
UPdate #2: If I use the crop tool to change the aspect ratio in DPP, and save the file, CS5 obtusely continues to read the file as cropped. If I close and re-open DPP and re-read the files I theoretically just saved, the files I previously saved now show as uncropped (3:2) as they should be. There are no hidden files. This is crazy.
beanpkk wrote:
UPdate #2: If I use the crop tool to change the aspect ratio in DPP, and save the file, CS5 obtusely continues to read the file as cropped. If I close and re-open DPP and re-read the files I theoretically just saved, the files I previously saved now show as uncropped (3:2) as they should be. There are no hidden files. This is crazy.
k
In DPP4's Crop Tool interface, there are two buttons, "Clear", & "Revert to Shot settings"
Are you using the "Clear" tab to remove the Camera's crop?
I just took a 16:9 raw shot with my 6D, & tried a few ways, & so far the only thing that worked was to Clear the Crop, Select 3.2, then choose "Transfer to Photoshop", where it opened in full 3.2 as a .TIF file
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No luck trying to save it as a CR2 raw file.
Thank you Sy for trying it out. Maybe I can do in DPP what I was going to in ACR and then feeding PS a .tif will be OK. I wasn't using "Clear", I was just setting a new aspect ratio and then giving it a new range just below there. The file that DPP writes has enough information that DPP can read the file at a later date and the corrected aspect ratio is there. It's as if DPP saves any altered aspect ratio information in a position in the file header that Photoshop doesn't know about.
Thanks tsangc...I was thinking about something along that line -- write a program that finds the right spot in the file header and change it. Trick is finding the right spot in the header, not knowing the header format or how the numbers are stored in there. It would take some luck and perhaps a lot of work to find it.
Have you tried opening the image in ACR, going into the crop tool, and resetting the crop before opening the image in PS? That worked for me the last time I tried it.
beanpkk wrote:
Trick is finding the right spot in the header, not knowing the header format or how the numbers are stored in there. It would take some luck and perhaps a lot of work to find it.
keith
It's not "in the header" but buried in a tagged field (.CR2 files are, in fact, TIFFs). And the work's already been done.
The link in @tsangc's post gives the exiftool command to change those numbers. I assume it's correct; I haven't tried it. If you're on a Mac, exiftool is very easy to install (because perl's already there) and you can even use bash to script the conversion of all your files unattended.
If that answer's not actually correct, it's close. Use the exiftool tag list I linked above and experiment.
kyle: When I go into ACR's crop tool I don't see any way to reset the crop. There are options for setting aspect ratio but they only apply to newly-selected crops out of the visible (i.e. not full frame) image. Maybe this option only exists in later versions than my CS5.
melcat: Thanks.....I haven't given exiftool a try yet.
Zenon Char wrote:
It greyed it out when I tried after adjusting the ratio. It let me create one by adjusting exposure. Maybe I did something incorrectly. If so then this will be easy with a recipe. I have one to apply DLO for multiple files.
After crop/rotation adjustments, the "copy recipe" is always greyed out for me. It's temporary and either re-starting the program solves the issue, or after a random period of more than 1 or 2 minutes, the "copy recipe" dialogue is available again for the image in question.
sirimiri wrote:
After crop/rotation adjustments, the "copy recipe" is always greyed out for me. It's temporary and either re-starting the program solves the issue, or after a random period of more than 1 or 2 minutes, the "copy recipe" dialogue is available again for the image in question.
