I just moved to an M50 for vlogging and hobby photography. I’ve read several reviews online where people say, for photography, it’s not as good as an 80D or other APS-C cameras. Isn’t the sensor the same? Is this camera capable of great shots and workable dynamic range similar to the 80D? What am
I missing?
I'm guessing if somebody favors the 80D for still photography it's because they prefer an optical display, longer battery life and/or the larger amount of physical controls. The T7i, 77D, 80D, M100 and M50 all have the same basic CMOS and IQ. For me, I can work the controls of the 80D without dropping my eye from the VF. With my wife's M100 I have to mess with the menu too much and can't see the LCD well in bright light, thus missing lots of shots.
Gochugogi wrote:
I'm guessing if somebody favors the 80D for still photography it's because they prefer an optical display, longer battery life and/or the larger amount of physical controls. The T7i, 77D, 80D, M100 and M50 all have the same basic CMOS and IQ. For me, I can work the controls of the 80D without dropping my eye from the VF. With my wife's M100 I have to mess with the menu too much and can't see the LCD well in bright light, thus missing lots of shots.
erjennin wrote:
Got it. So it’s simply ergonomics vs capability.
Well one is a semi-pro level dslr and the other is a consumer evf camera.
I wouldn't dream of using an M50 as main gear on a pro job, but it would be ok as a holiday camera
Very different focus systems. In low light with a moving subject, the 80D would give you much better reliability. Focus systems are how most camera companies seem to segment their product lines. I think if you are shooting anything moving (kids playing, someone turning their head, people walking) or anything indoors you are going to notice a difference in the percentage of shots in sharp focus. It won't be a small difference.
But for people posed in indoor settings or in very good light or landscapes or something, it makes little difference.
Sensor is the same, the focusing in AI Servo, using back button focusing is okay, but not up to the speed/response of the 80D or other higher end cameras.
I decided to use the Viltrox speed booster and the 24-70 last night while shooting the game. AF with the booster seems no slower than without, and makes the M50 shoot a FF view with a 1 stop better aperture, so f2 on the 24-70.
I shoot raw and JPEG, but only so that I have the raw should I have missed exposures, then I run the raw through DPP and then into PS.
These are OOC JPEG that have my normal slight contrast, level, NR and USM steps that I run on all my photos. The NR isn't very aggressive at all, but the ISOs are all 5000 or lower I believe.
10fps is nice, but having the EVF lag makes tracking any action more of a lottery than a skilled exercise.
In coming years, I feel that whatever the A9 has in it to do a better job, all mirrorless will be able to show and track while recording and storing, it is just a matter of time and tech.
rek101 wrote:
Very different focus systems. In low light with a moving subject, the 80D would give you much better reliability. Focus systems are how most camera companies seem to segment their product lines. I think if you are shooting anything moving (kids playing, someone turning their head, people walking) or anything indoors you are going to notice a difference in the percentage of shots in sharp focus. It won't be a small difference.
But for people posed in indoor settings or in very good light or landscapes or something, it makes little difference.
Are you speaking from experience or based on specs/what you read?
I own both 80D and M50. I also own 30mm f/1.4 lenses for both (Sigma 30mm 1.4 art and the canon 32mm EF-M). I find the M50 focus system to be vastly superior inside while taking pictures of kids with all lenses. I rarely use the 80D anymore.
I am not saying you are wrong, just that I personally have completely opposite experience.
But to the original poster's question:
As other people noted, the M50 is consumer model, with only one control dial. This get's pretty annoying if you change ISO and exposure compensation a lot like I do. This is not a problem on the M5. I really hope they make an M5 mark II with fully articulated LCD.
Another big issue with the M50 (and M series in general) is lack of a higher end zoom. It does not have to be a f/2.8 L, but a F/4 would be nice. The EF-M 32mm f/1.4 is stellar.
matejphoto wrote:
Are you speaking from experience or based on specs/what you read?
I own both 80D and M50. I also own 30mm f/1.4 lenses for both (Sigma 30mm 1.4 art and the canon 32mm EF-M). I find the M50 focus system to be vastly superior inside while taking pictures of kids with all lenses. I rarely use the 80D anymore.
I am not saying you are wrong, just that I personally have completely opposite experience.
But to the original poster's question:
As other people noted, the M50 is consumer model, with only one control dial. This get's pretty annoying if you change ISO and exposure compensation a lot like I do. This is not a problem on the M5. I really hope they make an M5 mark II with fully articulated LCD.
Another big issue with the M50 (and M series in general) is lack of a higher end zoom. It does not have to be a f/2.8 L, but a F/4 would be nice. The EF-M 32mm f/1.4 is stellar.
I don't own an 80D but I do own a 5D4 and 7D2 and in my experience I don't find the M50 gives up much in terms of autofocus accuracy in low light compared to my DSLRs. Either the EF-M 32mm f/1.4 or EF-M 22m f/2 are on my camera 99% of the time and both combos do amazing in low light. Even in low light the face detection of the M50 is fantastic. Where I do find the M50 lacks a bit is just in autofocus usability. The auto AF point selection, zone AF, and 1 point Af options just are not as good IMO and for shooting my kids running around I much prefer my DSLRs. And I wish the 1 point AF was a smaller point.
Yes, I wish the AI Servo mode AF box was smaller (like the One shot box), and also wish there was at least one custom slot on the dial. Both of these have bit me a bit as I tried using this for sports.
matejphoto wrote:
Are you speaking from experience or based on specs/what you read?
I own both 80D and M50. I also own 30mm f/1.4 lenses for both (Sigma 30mm 1.4 art and the canon 32mm EF-M). I find the M50 focus system to be vastly superior inside while taking pictures of kids with all lenses. I rarely use the 80D anymore.
I am not saying you are wrong, just that I personally have completely opposite experience.
But to the original poster's question:
As other people noted, the M50 is consumer model, with only one control dial. This get's pretty annoying if you change ISO and exposure compensation a lot like I do. This is not a problem on the M5. I really hope they make an M5 mark II with fully articulated LCD.
Another big issue with the M50 (and M series in general) is lack of a higher end zoom. It does not have to be a f/2.8 L, but a F/4 would be nice. The EF-M 32mm f/1.4 is stellar.
I’ve used about a dozen slrs and mirrorless cameras over the years and not once has the autofocus system on anything I’ve used not alligned exactly with the price of the system. The canera industry segments products by focus system. On these forums I read things that usually ammount to i can use a pinhole camera to shoot the kentucky derby and have never had a problem or whatever, but it just has never played out that way for me. Entry level does portraits, pro level does events, top of the line does sports.
Using the .71x speedbooster, converting my Sigma 50 1.4 to an f1.0 lens, and then my 100L to be a 70mm f2.0. Pretty nice effects, basically a tiny FF-ish camera, probably very comparable to the EOS RP.
TeamSpeed wrote:
Using the .71x speedbooster, converting my Sigma 50 1.4 to an f1.0 lens, and then my 100L to be a 70mm f2.0. Pretty nice effects, basically a tiny FF-ish camera, probably very comparable to the EOS RP.
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Based on your posts, I just ordered the Viltrox speed booster. It's a very interesting gadget which might be rather fun on the M5.
Just remember that if you keep the booster on the camera, it will drain your battery. This stinks as I don't like to keep mounting and unmounting the booster, I would rather just leave the lens on, or take the lens off and put the booster cap on.
It is a fun little accessory though, it adds a new dimension of using EF lenses on the M series.
Just spent a couple of days walking around with the 50 f1.8 and the vilotrox speed booster on an m50 in New Orleans. Very pleased with the combo! Will post a few pics soon!
Interestingly, using the EF adapter on the M50 makes IS lenses continue to run the IS untiL I go to a menu or shut it off. However, that doesn't seem to be the case with the booster, strange.... That means the booster works a bit better in this regard for conserving battery life while shooting, but still drains the camera down when everything is turned off, so a double-edged sword.
