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I thought I would write this to share my experience and to talk about some things that I didn't see mentioned in other reviews/videos I watched over the last couple months. I think it can be relevant to some others getting the Z7/Z6. This is a longer post.

This is my first mirrorless camera I have ever used and this review comes from that perspective. I have owned the D700, D800, D810 and D850, so there will be some comparisons with the camera I am coming from. I am mainly a Scapes/Travel shooter who dabbles in portrait/wildlife/action. I am not a tester when it comes to gear so this is from real world use and not tests.

I got the camera not long after it was released, and leading up to the release I read many reviews/previews and watched videos. I heard over and over how its a Nikon and when you pick it up it will be familiar. After going over the menus I took it out for a couple hours on a hike. I thought it would feel natural from what others said and my years of using a Nikon yet I hated it. It just felt odd and foreign, I struggled with button layout, ergonomics and EVF. I heard many times how the EVF was so good it feels like the OVF, but this was not my experience. This is not about the quality of the EVF but I think EVFs in general. It was awkward and every time I raised it to my eye it seemed distracting. Yes the grip feels like a Nikon, dials are familiar, and the menu looks like the Nikon menu but beyond this the camera does require relearning muscle memory.
After that short hike I was feeling really disappointed and put the camera back in its box. I was set on returning it but thought I would give it some time to think it over. It sat unused for almost 2 weeks and just as I was about to return it I decided I didn't give it a fair try. I think I bought too much into the "It's a Nikon" or "It's a mirrorless D850" mantra and when it didn't feel like a Nikon I was letdown.

I am glad I gave it more time because in most areas my opinions have changed. Here is some of the issues I had with it and how I have adapted.

EVF - Its not like a OVF and don't think it is if you never used a mirrorless. Its obviously EVF when you put it to your eye and I am still not completely adjusted but I now appreciate the options the EVF gives. The lag from turning on isn't real noticeable unless you are shooting action/wildlife. Doing my usual landscape I really don't notice it. I think leading up to getting this camera many places online gave the impression that you can see exposure live. I think this is overstated, in many situations you get a good idea of exposure in the EVF but there is a lot of scenarios where I suggest chimping.

Size - This even takes some adjustment but in most areas its a benefit. I feel comfortable walking around without a strap and it does feel overall good in the hands. The issues I have with this is more ergonomics. I do miss the overall feel of the D850 and its layout.

Ergonomics - The grip feels great and most things make sense once you relearn them but there is one thing I have hated since day one and still hate. Pressing the front function buttons while turning the front dial is extremely awkward. I have average size hands but I don't think its really about this. I have no issues pressing the function buttons but pressing them and turning the front dial feels so uncomfortable. I am scared I will never adjust to this.

Button layout - This was frustrating in the beginning but slowly I have adjusted. I wish there was a couple more programmable buttons but overall you can get the job done. I wasn't someone who used "i" button on my D8XX cameras but its necessary on this camera.

Menu - it looks like a Nikon menu but there is definitely a lot of new settings that require research. I suggest going over it completely instead of just seeking out the ones that are familiar from your past cameras.

Top LCD - I didn't have an issue with the size like others have mentioned. I can see the info and it has a nice brightness, but I do have a couple issues with it. When pressing bracket it does not display on the top LCD like the D8XX cameras. This can be annoying if you setup a shot on a tripod and have it set to EVF. You then press bracket(i use movie record button) and you have to look into the VF again. One other thing I have noticed, when doing long exposure the LCD stays on which can give off some light. The back green light blinks while doing long exposure and I think it flashes every 5 seconds. This can be nice for knowing if the exposure is still in process, but I think there was a better way to deal with this. I wish the top LCD turned off during the exposure and came back on after the shot is done.

Memory slots - enough things have been said about this. I always used mine for overflow so for me personally it is a nonissue. I have seen no issue so far with card door.

Battery usage - There is an obvious decline from the D8XX series. Normal day shooting it lasts long enough and shouldn't be much of a problem. For long exposure night work it drains and I would highly recommend taking at least 2 full batteries for a shoot. I still haven't used the new battery with my camera. I have just used my older ones, so maybe I will see an improvement with the B model.

Tripod Mount - I foresee this being very annoying with the FTZ Adapter. Using a plate on the camera interferes with the FTZ adapter so you have to use it on the FTZ. The issue is you can't remove the FTZ adapter with a plate on it. The plate hits the camera when you try to unmount adapter. I currently only use the FTZ adapter, but when I do get future S lenses this will really be a pain. I use the Arca Swiss PO head with the slidefix setup which uses smaller plates, my ballhead/plate actually can work on the camera with FTZ adapter attached but the top of my ballhead presses against the bottom of the FTZ adapter. I am worried over time it can cause an issue from pressing together so I keep the plate on the adapter for now. A taller plate would fix this issue.

Mount/Adapter - Losing the D lenses was an issue for me. I had a decent amount of them and mostly used them for my tele shots. I had a 300mm F4 AF-D and the 180mm F2.8D. The 180mm is the lens that will be hardest to leave behind. I saw a group of moose one day and the next day a bear and realized I really needed a lens to take their place. I picked up the 300mm F4 PF and I am thrilled with the results.

Part 2 Usage/IQ

IQ - it is as good as the D850 in real world usage. I was blown away when I got the D850 a year ago and the Z7 was not a letdown. I know about the banding issue and I shoot high contrast shots a lot but I have had no encounters with it so far. If I go over my last 5 years of photos I probably would have a hard time finding more than a handful of shots that could be impacted by it.

Metering - I think the metering is great, I am using EXP Comp less on this camera then any other in the past. I have no complaints in this department.

Manual focus lenses - This is the best camera I have owned for my manual lens collection. Focus peaking works well, 100% zoom in EVF is wonderful and the metering is the best I have used. With all my D8XX cameras metering was always hit or miss with the old AI/AIS lenses. I would find myself dialing in -2EV/+2EV and everything inbetween with the MF lenses. With the Z7 I feel like the metering is on par with the newer AF lenses. The live exposure in EVF really plays a part with the older lenses. IBIS also is huge for using these lenses. There is one obvious drawback and that is not being able to see the aperture in camera. I really wish Nikon could have delivered it all, but I would definitely reach for my Z7 over the D850 for manual lens use.
My Milvus lens works exactly like it did on the D850.

IBIS - This is my favorite feature of the new camera. It works really well and I have been surprised what I can get away with. A certain youtuber claims IBIS is only good for video but this is absurd. It helps in countless situations, handholding for wildlife while keeping the ISO down, taking pictures in churches and other building and actually getting a symmetric shot without a tripod. Pulling over on the side of the road during golden hour and not needing to grab a tripod. It really is a game changer and I feel sorry for the canon folks for not getting it.

Hot pixels - I don't see this talked about much in reviews but this is important to me and many others who shoot nightscapes. The biggest issue I had with the D810 was the amount of Hot pixels when shooting greater than 30sec exposure at lower ISO. It was so bad at times it required photoshop tricks to deal with it. The D850 made huge improvements in this area and a few seconds with the healing brush would take care of it. I have only done a few tests with the Z7 but so far it looks on par with the D850.

AF - This has been much talked about and I might not be the best to speak on it since I mostly shoot scapes. Its nice to hear from people with great action/wildlife gear and experience, but it also can be nice to hear from people who dabble like me.

Single point AF-S - I find very little difference between the D850 and Z7. The Z7 does seem to hunt a little more in lower light, but it also seems to have some advantages. I have noticed shooting someone indoors at night can hunt more, but I also have found the Z7 hits critical focus better outside at night. I will focus on a passing car or distant sign lit up by a flashlight to obtain focus for nightscapes and with the D850 it would show focused but when I took the shot it was not in critical focus. The Z7 seems to do much better with this situation and being in critical focus.

Dynamic AF-C - This will likely be my goto for action/wildlife. I have had good results with this and can't see a huge decline from the D850. I know people miss 3D tracking and much has been said about the Z7 shortcomings but I really think for most users they really won't see a huge falloff in performance. If I start AF on the subject and it obtains early it seems to do very well throughout the action. I will post examples below but I would say my hit rate is 80%. There is one thing that would improve my hit rate and that is the EVF lag. Every time I have taken it out to shoot action/wildlife I forget to change the EVF sleep setting. If you are shooting action with pauses remember to change the sleep/shutoff setting. This added a extra delay and would make it harder to start the focusing of the sequence.

Auto area AF - I have used this a couple times and had better than average success. I would say 60-70% hit rate. I used it on snowboarders but there path was predictable. It worked well in this instance.

Burst/Buffer - I have mostly used the camera on 5.5FPS. I struggled to notice the delayed image in EVF with 9FPS when shooting action sequences.
Obviously the buffer is worse than the D850 but I am not the type of shooter who really fills it up.

Conclusion - Overall the camera takes getting used to but is a wonderful camera. I hear people say it can't hold a candle to the D850 but this is an overstatement. The D850 has 2 slots, and has an overall better AF/buffer but these people seem to neglect mentioning the Z7 benefits. IBIS is a huge feature, EVF and what it offers, Video is a huge leap forward, and it has the likely future mount of Nikon.

There is no denying the D850 is better in areas but when you read/watch reviews you get the impression there is a huge gap. This gap is grossly exaggerated. This is the nature of the online photography community, it thrives on making small differences in models and brands into a video worthy issue. I'm not complaining about this since its nice to see indepth tests/reviews but it can give the false sense that these differences are huge in real world use. In my experience the gaps are much smaller and the Z7 offers things no Nikon has offered before.
If you find yourself feeling like I did in the beginning I highly suggest giving it time and trying to let it grow on you.
Also remember some of the issue could be mirrorless related and if mirrorless is the future we will all have to adjust at some point.
I will say after using it for a bit that my dream camera would be a D850 with hybrid VF or EVF, IBIS and Z7 video.



Landscape Images

Nikon 20mm 1.8G ISO800 F3.5 346sec - Hot Pixel test. Nearly 6 minute exposure at 800 ISO. This is a 100% crop of the worst area of the photo.
pixeltest


Nikon 20mm 1.8G - ISO100 F11 1sec - 3 shot pano
View outside Pagosa Springs CO

Zeiss Milvus 15mm ISO4000 F2.8 25sec
Washington Mine Breckenridge CO

Nikon 20mm 1.8G ISO4000 F2.8 20sec - Took a similar shot when I first got the D850. IQ is very similar in these situations
abandonwoodshed

nikon 35mm F2D ISO2500 F5.6 15sec - When I shot this image it was 5-10°F and lots of ice crystals in the air. I was shooting for a couple hours and it got so icy that I couldn't adjust my tripod legs and the ballhead got difficult to move. THe z7 kept performing well in this weather.
Pond Frisco Colorado

Nikon 105mm 2.5 AIS ISO3200 F5.6 10sec - 2 shot pano
105peakonepano

Nikon 58mm 1.4G ISO200 F8 1/400
Ranch Pagosa Springs Colorado

Zeiss 15mm Milvus ISO3200 F3.2 20sec
Breckenridge Colorado

Nikon 105mm 2.5 AIS ISO200 F5.6 1/1600 - 2 Shot Pano
cloudrising

Nikon 20mm 1.8G ISO64 F11 5sec
Creek Frisco Colorado

Nikon 35mm F2D ISO1250 F5.6 2.5sec
Church Breckenridge CO

Nikon 300mm ISO250 F8 1/250
snowyhillside

Nikon 20mm 1.8G ISO64 F13 6sec
Creek Vail Colorado

Zeiss 15mm Milvus ISO3200 F2.8 20sec
Breckenridge Colorado

Nikon 20mm 1.8G ISO64 F11 8sec
Creek Frisco Colorado

Nikon 58mm 1.4G ISO64 F10 1sec - 4 shot pano
Pagosa 58mm Pano by david.silo, on Flickr









Nov 11, 2018 at 07:17 AM
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p.1 #2 · Z7 Review: From A First Time Mirrorless User (Image Heavy)


Action/Wildlife


All shots have been taken with the Nikon 300mm F4 PF handheld


I used both Dynamic AF and Auto Area AF with the snowboarding shots.I was very successful with Dynamic 80-90%. Auto area AF was probably around 65-70%. I think it could have been better if I turned off the EVF going to sleep.
ISO100 F5 1/2000
snowboard2

ISO100 F5 1/2000
snowboard1

ISO100 F5 1/2000
snowbaord3

I used Dynamic AF for the skaters. THis is a little more unpredictable with movement so I think it was around 70%.

ISO250 F5 1/4000
skater

ISO200 F4 1/2000 - This guy was really moving and was pleased with how the Z7 kept up
roller

ISO6400 F4 1/60
Porcupine

ISO400 F5.6 1/15 - Adding this shot to show what you can get away with using IBIS handheld. Also tracking a black cat after sunset with Dynamic AF it did a great job hitting critical focus.
cattodd

ISO3200 F5 1/800
foxbok

ISO3200 F5 1/1600
foxportrait

ISO3200 F4 1/800 - The AF struggled with this scene. I think it was the heavy snowfall making it hard for the AF to hit critical focus. I have a feeling the D850 could have struggled with this as well. Also it was snowing hard and some got on the EVF sensor. This confused the sensor and it acted poorly till I wiped it off.
bluebirdsnow

ISO1600 F4.5 1/8000
bluebird

ISO3200 F4 1/640
birdonstick

ISO400 F4 1/5000 - Unfortunately the geese weren't cooperating and they were flying away from me and the light. It did do well capturing sequences of them taking off in Dynamic AF
goose



Nov 11, 2018 at 07:18 AM
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Thank you for taking your time for this. I really enjoyed your detailed comments and you have posted great examples of what a new owner might expect!
Well done Sir and appreciated/enjoyed VERY much!
Greg



Nov 11, 2018 at 07:35 AM
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Great review. Have exactly the same opinion on the camera. While D850 is great and still better in some areas, the Z7 trounces it in others. Personally have hard time using a DSLR for anything after spending time with the Z7.

I think the Z7 is a winner. The only downside is the price. Wouldn't mind if it was slightly cheaper than it currently is.



Nov 11, 2018 at 07:39 AM
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Your images clearly show that the Z7 is a capable camera in the hands of a very competent photographer. Great photos and write-up!


Nov 11, 2018 at 07:49 AM
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I feel the same way since receiving my Z7. Truly an excellent article which should be mandatory reading for any doubters out there, and of course for all those Sony users.


Nov 11, 2018 at 08:14 AM
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You took all these amazing shots over the last couple of weeks? Wow!!!

Thanks a lot for your extensive write-up and the beautiful pictures with so many different lenses. Makes waiting for the Z6 delivery even harder and eases some of the worries along the "should I cancel my preorder and wait or go for it now" lines. Amazing photography, there are so many great photographs in these two posts but let me point out the 58G shot of the horse in the mist, the nightscapes of the bridge and the fox looking at you as being absolutely spectacular. Kudos!

Markus



Nov 11, 2018 at 08:16 AM
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Thanks very much for that real-world use review!

I've been torn, and am still torn and undecided whether to add a D850 (Actually unopened on my table right now since the inventory freed up I grabbed one) or go the Z7 route instead. I am bothered by the tripod mount problems you're describing, the plate won't fit? I'm not exactly understanding what you are describing and if the lens plate is the mount, like on a heavy telephoto how would that affect it? if it's the camera body mount, is it going to be solved by RRS or the other third-party manufacturers? How were you mounting the camera to the tripod ballhead?

Thanks!

I love that fox image! No wonder Martin and Aykroyd loved foxes!



Nov 11, 2018 at 10:22 AM
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Nice review.


Nov 11, 2018 at 10:32 AM
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Very nice review. Clearly you put a lot of time, and effort into it. It looks like the Z7 will be a near perfect match for your style of photography.

Thanks for posting,

Steve



Nov 11, 2018 at 11:33 AM
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Those are just gorgeous images! Wow.

I'm selling my D850 now that I have the Z7, mainly because I don't use these cameras so much (mainly a film shooter) and I really like the Z7's ability to use my non Nikon mount lenses.
I do think the handling of the D850 is far superior, I only have medium size hands but this 'big' camera is just perfect. And I prefer the buttons/layout etc. But the Z7's ability to nail focus and exposure with any lens that I have is something else.

Anybody who has complaints about the Z7 as an actual camera should just look at your work!



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ckcarr wrote:
Thanks very much for that real-world use review!

I've been torn, and am still torn and undecided whether to add a D850 (Actually unopened on my table right now since the inventory freed up I grabbed one) or go the Z7 route instead. I am bothered by the tripod mount problems you're describing, the plate won't fit? I'm not exactly understanding what you are describing and if the lens plate is the mount, like on a heavy telephoto how would that affect it? if it's the camera body mount, is it going to be solved by RRS or the other third-party
...Show more

Won't this https://www.kirkphoto.com/l-bracket-for-nikon-ftz-adapter.html solve the FTZ plate problem. I don't think that this will interfere with a camera L-Bracket

I am looking at adding the Z6 kit + FTZ to my wildlife and landscape workflow. I never seem to need the 36MP of my D810, not sure what I'd do with 47MP.



Nov 11, 2018 at 02:51 PM
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Very nice write-up and outstanding images to support your experience!


Nov 11, 2018 at 03:03 PM
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Dave,
Well written review and awesome photographs to go with it. Thanks.



Nov 11, 2018 at 03:08 PM
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These excellent images shown here have not really to do with the Z7 in the first place. They show the work of a talented photo worker!
Stunning, Sir, stunning.

Veey mzch apprechiated!



Nov 11, 2018 at 03:18 PM
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Wow, fantastic review, lots of great real life information and the pictures are amazing.

You just put me in a very hard position after reading the review, I was ready to click the buy button on the Z6 and now I am back at the beginning of my research :-).

Thank you for sharing it.

Marcelo



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Absolutely stunning images, Dave! Fantastic write up!

Just one question. I am not sure of what you mean when you say you have to press the Function buttons and turn the front dial, do you mean at the same time? I have say F1 button set up for changing the focus point but I press it then take my finger off and then turn the front dial and it alters the focus point. I don't need to have my finger on the F1 button whilst I turn the front dial. If it is not working that way for you, maybe you need to set up "f16" "Release button to use dial" to "on"?

Also, Hot pixels. Isn't that fixed when you do two sensor cleaning cycles back-to-back? That triggers a function that remaps any dead pixels and has been this way on all modern Nikon bodies.

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Lance B wrote:
Absolutely stunning images, Dave! Fantastic write up!


+1

Really appreciate the time / effort into your thoughtful post ... as well as the terrific images supporting your conclusions.

I myself am happy with my D850, and it's never going anywhere, but I appreciate the changing times coming our way, as well as your experience and efforts in describing your experiences enjoying them.



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Thank you Dave! Great write up and superb images


Nov 11, 2018 at 05:12 PM
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Exactly what I've experience with my short time I had with the Z7 . Ergonomics are not too good when you are used to the d850 button layout . I know I would get more critical sharp focus shot with the Z7. If I was living in the usa, im pretty sure I would have one by now. 4600$+ 15% taxes is too expensive imo and for slow moving subject I use the electronic mirror on my d850. I know i'll get a mirrorless later on but I'm waiting to see if they realease a better body with a real battery grip, better ergonomics and better af.


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