p.30 #1 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Tonzah78 wrote:
Here's a few of my favourites I took with the CV21 on our trip to Barcelona. For many landscapes I used the CV40/1.2 instead and took several images that I stiched together. Gotta love these two lenses as a really versatile, lightweight and fun combo for trips. All of the following shots are with the magnificient 21mm Color-Skopar.
p.30 #2 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
The 40mm does get much more use than this one but that's purely a focal length/aperture thing rather than anything else. I still love carrying this beauty about with me
p.30 #3 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Cross posted from the main FE images thread
The creek at Camel's Head in Plymouth showing the railway bridge and the waste incineration plant. The northern part of Devonport Dockyard is close by but hidden at this level.
p.30 #7 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
From NYC walk yesterday. Harsh light but the lens is really fun for city architecture stuff. Compact and inconspicuous. I used it to grab some usable environmental portraits of friends too.
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p.30 #8 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Whoa! Looks like you are getting along well with it!
Tonzah78 wrote:
Here's a few of my favourites I took with the CV21 on our trip to Barcelona. For many landscapes I used the CV40/1.2 instead and took several images that I stiched together. Gotta love these two lenses as a really versatile, lightweight and fun combo for trips. All of the following shots are with the magnificient 21mm Color-Skopar.
p.30 #9 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Whoa! Looks like you are getting along well with it!
Heh. I love how this thing pairs up with the CV40/1.2. They are a match made in heaven. As lenses they are very different in a way (complementing each other) but at the same time they have similar kind of rendering, sunstars, handling etc. which I really love. And on a 24Mp body this lens is certainly sharp enough right from wide open. Flare tolerance and contrast is also top notch while shooting in direct sunlight.
p.30 #10 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
To those who already own the lens: with all the sample variation that has been reported, would you even recommend buying it secondhand with no return policy? What are the real chances of running into a decentered copy? I'm not much a landscape photographer (yet) but I do like the occasional city-scape.
p.30 #11 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Never do that. Only buy with return possibility. What do you want to do when you get a lemon? Sell it to another dude without giving him possibility to return?? Or throw the hundreds of $$$ in the wind?
Jun 22, 2019 at 03:06 PM
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p.30 #12 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Is there really a disproportionate amount of sample variation with it? I got a great one, first try. Huh.
p.30 #13 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
hasenbein wrote:
Never do that. Only buy with return possibility. What do you want to do when you get a lemon? Sell it to another dude without giving him possibility to return?? Or throw the hundreds of $$$ in the wind?
Thanks for your quick reply! I'm sure that sounded like a rookie question but what can I say, I've managed to enjoy photography for way too many years without ever taking the time to properly test my lenses... Now thanks to you guys who post in these forums, I think I'm finally "getting it."
So, I'm pretty clear on the sales with no return option but now I'm actually wondering what happens even if an eBay seller offers that option, i.e., if THIS kind of exceedingly subtle defect ever qualifies as an incorrect description and legit reason for return? I suspect the answer is, it depends on the seller...
p.30 #14 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Me too. That’s the risk of buying used, but mine was good on first try.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Is there really a disproportionate amount of sample variation with it? I got a great one, first try. Huh.
Jun 22, 2019 at 06:09 PM
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p.30 #15 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
You can still find things used from folks who are established. Check the used section at Cameraquest. Or on the board here from an active member with good feedback. Posting a "WTB" ad is a smart move. EBay should be a last resort. Seller fees are so high you pretty much have to jack up the price on anything you sell there just to make it worthwhile. Too much shady stuff. PayPal will always sort it out if it is "not as described", but anyone who is willfully selling a lemon will probably be careful to not include anything about it being properly centered or any of that, so you should ask questions if you have concerns.
I also suspect that people mayyy just be a little bit too rigid in their quest to find a perfect lens, rather than considering their application and output format. Plenty of great photos were taken before 42mp sensors and the ability to instantly view an extreme corner of a frame at 10x magnification on a 6k monitor. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate concerns, but I feel like this can become some weird compulsion that has very little to do with actual photography.
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VexFM wrote:
Thanks for your quick reply! I'm sure that sounded like a rookie question but what can I say, I've managed to enjoy photography for way too many years without ever taking the time to properly test my lenses... Now thanks to you guys who post in these forums, I think I'm finally "getting it."
So, I'm pretty clear on the sales with no return option but now I'm actually wondering what happens even if an eBay seller offers that option, i.e., if THIS kind of exceedingly subtle defect ever qualifies as an incorrect description and legit reason for return? I suspect the answer is, it depends on the seller...
p.30 #16 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
I bought some decentered vintage lenses - and rest assured, it's not nitpicking if you want to do landscape or architecture and one side of the frame or one corner is visibly unsharp (in that "smeary" way) even at f8-11. Then the lens is simply not usable.
p.30 #17 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
MFoucs wrote:
That’s the risk of buying used...
Absolutely. And as I see it now, in each case it's just a personal decision about how tolerant you feel to potentially getting a lemon (also, in case you're truly unhappy, to the prospect of getting rid of it by passing it on to the next dude in the words of hasenbein). For me, this would be one of maybe 2 of my lenses that I'll need the top quality out of, within the parameters of what they're designed for of course.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
You can still find things used from folks who are established. Check the used section at Cameraquest. Or on the board here from an active member with good feedback. Posting a "WTB" ad is a smart move. EBay should be a last resort. Seller fees are so high you pretty much have to jack up the price on anything you sell there just to make it worthwhile. Too much shady stuff. PayPal will always sort it out if it is "not as described", but anyone who is willfully selling a lemon will probably be careful to not include anything about it being properly centered or any of that, so you should ask questions if you have concerns.
I also suspect that people mayyy just be a little bit too rigid in their quest to find a perfect lens, rather than considering their application and output format. Plenty of great photos were taken before 42mp sensors and the ability to instantly view an extreme corner of a frame at 10x magnification on a 6k monitor. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate concerns, but I feel like this can become some weird compulsion that has very little to do with actual photography. ...Show more →
Yes, all legitimate points. Not a compulsion at all for me, if anything, I have quite a penchant for the IMperfect lenses that I like using for the artistic portraits and such. It's just that it's finally dawned on me, after reading thru this and similar forums, why the heck my landscapes never quite reach the standards that I see in the works of the experts here. Well, one of the reasons why...
Good tips on buying used, thanks. I've actually bought and sold a few lenses on FM already, definitely a different level of comfort compared to eBay. Still curious if anyone has had experience returning for the "decentering" on Ebay. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a description there that made claims about a lens being centered, people mostly just say "perfect" or "mint" condition, which is quite a different thing. I know that as a seller, I might have an issue accepting esoteric complaints like this...
p.30 #18 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
Of course decentering is NOT an "esoteric complaint".
You can be VERY sure that decentering is in many cases the true reason why people sell an otherwise fine lens.
But of course nobody tells you that. And if the buyer complains, they respond with BS like that decentering is not a defect, that lenses have tolerances, that they didn't see any optical errors in that lens and that you perhaps have a bad adaptor or focused wrongly etc.pp. BLA BLA, so "unfortunately" there is no sufficient reason to take the lens back.
That's the ugly truth about a big part of the used / vintage lens market.
p.30 #19 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review
VexFM wrote:
Absolutely. And as I see it now, in each case it's just a personal decision about how tolerant you feel to potentially getting a lemon (also, in case you're truly unhappy, to the prospect of getting rid of it by passing it on to the next dude in the words of hasenbein). For me, this would be one of maybe 2 of my lenses that I'll need the top quality out of, within the parameters of what they're designed for of course.
Yes, all legitimate points. Not a compulsion at all for me, if anything, I have quite a penchant for the IMperfect lenses that I like using for the artistic portraits and such. It's just that it's finally dawned on me, after reading thru this and similar forums, why the heck my landscapes never quite reach the standards that I see in the works of the experts here. Well, one of the reasons why...
Good tips on buying used, thanks. I've actually bought and sold a few lenses on FM already, definitely a different level of comfort compared to eBay. Still curious if anyone has had experience returning for the "decentering" on Ebay. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a description there that made claims about a lens being centered, people mostly just say "perfect" or "mint" condition, which is quite a different thing. I know that as a seller, I might have an issue accepting esoteric complaints like this......Show more →
