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p.32 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


CVickery wrote:
Yeah, the corners look decent by f8...f5.6 still shows a bit of smearing. The edges show a bit of cyan shift at all apertures, but without grey skies or snow it probably would be hard to detect. The vignetting persists at all apertures and the Lightroom profile doesn't eliminate it. Unfortunately the profile doesn't allow adjusting the amount of correction.


Hi Cal,
thanks for your pictures. Yes, the corners are not so bad from 5,6 and f/8. I would say about two f-stops better then with a Sony A7RII/III. I made a print from the building upper left side in Din A3+ an it looked quite well, also in A2 (both with Nik pre sharpener and Nik output sharpener - from Photoshop with lens profile and manual vignetting correction).

The litte cyan shift is also better than with the Sony. My tip: Use Capture one. There is a function LCC (lens cast correction) which helps much (vignetting & color shift).
An Introduction can be find here:

https://www.phaseone.com/Search/Article.aspx?articleid=2047

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Jan 06, 2019 at 07:21 AM
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p.32 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


@mvjasper Thanks for that epic Z6 report! Your posting count suggests you are a newbie FMer, but you don't post like one.


Jan 06, 2019 at 09:50 AM
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p.32 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


lhmf wrote:
Hi Cal,
thanks for your pictures. Yes, the corners are not so bad from 5,6 and f/8. I would say about two f-stops better then with a Sony A7RII/III. I made a print from the building upper left side in Din A3+ an it looked quite well, also in A2 (both with Nik pre sharpener and Nik output sharpener - from Photoshop with lens profile and manual vignetting correction).

The litte cyan shift is also better than with the Sony. My tip: Use Capture one. There is a function LCC (lens cast correction) which helps much (vignetting & color shift).
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Thanks Michael. I'll look into Capture One, I used it years ago, but stopped upgrading. Your conclusion sounds right ot me.

I shot a similar series this morning with the SEM 21... the results are even better. Corner smearing between 1-2 stops better than the SEM 18 and a bit less vignetting/cyan edges (I think).





SEM 21 @ f8




Jan 06, 2019 at 10:44 AM
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p.32 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Hi Cal,
The SEM 18mm is a little bit uneasy to use even with the M9, so it sounds good, that the 21 SEM is working so good (I've "only" have the older 21 2,8 non ash.) but the 24mm/3.4 - I think/hope that this is also working good (an other member post some picture with this lens). Let's cross the fingers.



Jan 06, 2019 at 12:12 PM
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p.32 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


mvjasper wrote:
I didn't look at the post after I uploaded the images until now and see that they have a horrible blue cast are are a bit over saturated. I used a different workflow with these images to process them quickly and I think an embedded color profile may have contributed to the odd cast as they look fine on my mac. I'll look into what went awry and replace the images shortly.

Updated


You might look at the ZF 25/2, unless you need 25 at 1.4. Much smaller and as capable a lens.

It'd be great if you could post more images of the Voigtlander 58 and 40 amongst the other Zeiss glass.

Great write-up.




Jan 06, 2019 at 10:03 PM
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p.32 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


As requested, I’ll provide a few shots from each lens as time permits. Not a whole lot went into image selection, other than perhaps a little effort to provide some diversity of subject. For each, I’ll add what some will no doubt consider a few subjective comments that I am happy to call my own.

The Voigtlander 40 has turned out to be a gem of a lens, mechanically and optically. It’s made at the same Cosina factory in Japan as the Zeiss Classic, Milvus, and Otus lenses, and I can’t find anything about it’s build to suggest any less care has gone into its manufacture than its Zeiss counterparts. Without intending to bash an otherwise fine lens, with equal care this Voigtlander feels like it will be in service long after the very plasticky feeling and about five times the cost Nikon 105E/1.4 has gotten brittle and fallen apart. OK, I admit that I can’t say with any certainty that Nikon hasn’t used a high quality, scientifically developed plastic for its lenses that could remain intact in land fills or floating around the ocean if not remaining undigested in some form of sea life for decades if not centuries. But I can all but guarantee you that one bite out of this lens and any fish is going to break a few rows of teeth and spit it out without much damage to the lens!!!

Optically, I haven’t found anything I don’t like about this find piece of craftsmanship. I may have been criticized in another thread for saying this, but it’s sharp from corner-to-corner. I’m not talking “better MTF chart” sharp, but the kind of sharp you notice when looking at an image that has visibly recognizable detail in the corners that aren’t distorted or out of focus - sharp. You can somewhat see the sharp I’m talking about in the second, third, and fifth images below. You’ll never (someone will contradict me) notice corner issues in wide open portraiture with intentionally blurred backgrounds (and perhaps intentionally blurred foregrounds) that extend to the corners (see my self-portrait in image six for an example (OK, the self-portrait is actually more recognizable in image seven - can you see my wife?)). My Milvus 50/1.4 (and a couple others Milvus 50/1.4 lenses I have scrutinized) falls short in this definition of sharp. Does the Milvus have a better MTF chart? I wouldn’t know because I don’t look at those charts so you won’t get that information from me, and I don’t care.

I also really like the look of the lens. The scalloped focusing ring is not only attractive but functional. It’s nice to use a finger or two in the indentations to adjust focus, especially when you’re after a shot that requires two steady hands supporting the body. Try it and you’ll see what I mean. On the topic of focusing, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read about the Zeiss’ buttery smooth focusing rings. Well, I believe the folks at Cosina grease these Voigtlanders up with the very same butter.

The images below start with a shot from Hong Kong Disneyland’s Mysic Manor, right where you get in the cars. I like the shot because of the very lifelike rendering and the richness of the black/dark areas.

The next two images are full-frame and a crop of some ruins in Ayutthaya. At full resolution you can see the leaves on the plants up top. I could have worked around the imposing tree on the left, but wanted to give you a full-frame image.

The next two images are from Wat Arun in Bangkok, with the second hopefully showing the lenses ability to render fine detail (look at the heads/faces ringing the structure at the top of the frame). Once again this image has rich black in the middle, but still holds detail that is visible if I crank up the exposure in post (that’s more a plus for the sensor’s ability to capture and represent the photons delivered by the lens).

The last two, a self-portrait in the eye of my best friend Jasper. That’s a f2 shot taken about a foot away from my little buddy.

Don't beat me up on my post processing with Capture One Pro output. It's relatively new software for me and after almost 20 years with Photoshop (I'm a CS5 Mac and CS5.5 PC hold out who refuses to pay a subscription), adapting to the new way of doing things is painful.


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HK Disneyland's Mystic Manor





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Ayutthaya ruins





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Ayutthaya ruins cropped for detail





© mvjasper 2018


Wat Arun





© mvjasper 2018


Wat Arun cropped for detail





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My buddy Jasper





© mvjasper 2018




Jan 08, 2019 at 08:49 AM
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p.32 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


V, I agree with build quality of Voigtlander glass. Your samples really show off the 40mm Voigtlander (f2? I assume). I think many people will be interested in new 40mm f1.2. Unfortunately, I sold that one given I prefer 50lux ASPH on M.

As for Nikon glass build quality, out of all gold ring Nikon, I actually like 58G the most, which is the lightest and most plastic one

I couldn’t help myself but pre-ordered Nikon 14-30mm. It definitely reminds me of 24-70S with retractable design. A brilliant idea. And it weight only 450g with regular 82mm filter thread. I think this lens itself will draw many traveler and landscape shooter to Z.

Nikon also announced that they will include eye AF and Video raw in the future. The significance of this information is not eye AF itself ( A feature I think is very useful) but a commitment to show Nikon willing improve the product they shipped. I expected Nikon should be able to improve their AF through firmware update, but I wasn't sure they will do that. Some manufacture want you buy new units for new features Anyway, It is a good news for Z owner. I don’t know the reason, could be this was as planed or could be from market pressure from competitor. here

I definitely expect better sale number from Z than reality.

Now a few random samples from 75mm Summilux M

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4829/46543665052_9820714594_h.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7809/46543666452_b4481db5c0_h.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/31654600997_ac006a1f9d_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4869/31654600377_d42cec8298_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4866/31654613037_90d3b55b7e_h.jpg



Jan 08, 2019 at 03:27 PM
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p.32 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


zhangyue wrote:
V, I agree with build quality of Voigtlander glass. Your samples really show off the 40mm Voigtlander (f2? I assume). I think many people will be interested in new 40mm f1.2. Unfortunately, I sold that one given I prefer 50lux ASPH on M.

As for Nikon glass build quality, out of all gold ring Nikon, I actually like 58G the most, which is the lightest and most plastic one



Wonderful shots Michael I agree, give me polymers and new materials for fast lenses so the weight is minimal. The 58G is a great example! If you look at Sigma Arts they are metal, large and l really wonder why they cannot incorporate polymers to reduce the weight.



Jan 08, 2019 at 04:56 PM
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p.32 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


mvjasper wrote:
As requested, I’ll provide a few shots from each lens as time permits. Not a whole lot went into image selection, other than perhaps a little effort to provide some diversity of subject. For each, I’ll add what some will no doubt consider a few subjective comments that I am happy to call my own.

The Voigtlander 40 has turned out to be a gem of a lens, mechanically and optically. It’s made at the same Cosina factory in Japan as the Zeiss Classic, Milvus, and Otus lenses, and I can’t find anything about it’s build to suggest any less care
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Thanks very much for the images from the V 40/2. Not very many examples on the web. I'd like to use it with early Nikon F's since it has the aperture tab. (Nikon F2Sb in particular). Looks like it would be very good with 35mm transparency film. My Milvus 50/1.4 is, as are the ZF series I've used.



Jan 08, 2019 at 04:58 PM
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p.32 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Just recently purchased a Z6 - using it with my Zeiss Contax C/Y lenses (18mm f4, 28mm f2.8, 50mm f1.4, and 85mm f2.8) with a Kipon C/Y - Nikon Z adapter. Lenses work great with the Z, giving me a light travel kit with Zeiss glass. The 28 f2.8 and the 85 f2.8 had excellent reviews by users and are much smaller and lighter than the 28mm f2 and 85 f1.4.







Zeiss Contax C/Y 18mm f4 @ f8







Zeiss Contax C/Y 28mm f2.8 @ f8







Zeiss Contax C/Y 28mm f2.8 @ f5.6







Zeiss Contax C/Y 50mm f1.4 @ f1.4







Zeiss Contax C/Y 85mm f2.8 @ f8



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Jan 10, 2019 at 02:13 PM
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p.32 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


rivercrew, Congratulation for the Z6. Z6 will offer perfect platform for you. thanks for sharing.

charles.K wrote:
Wonderful shots Michael I agree, give me polymers and new materials for fast lenses so the weight is minimal. The 58G is a great example! If you look at Sigma Arts they are metal, large and l really wonder why they cannot incorporate polymers to reduce the weight.


Yeh, I personally don't mind glass with high build quality with premium material. However, the end results is those lenses are tend to stay at home than travel with me


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4805/31702723207_735c27ad16_h.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7875/46644095081_7e20839c86_h.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7814/39679174283_41142ee86e_h.jpg

All with 300PF. Yes, here you want every pixel Z7 can offer and Here is one more image with 300pf. My son push me start shooting bird more
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7816/32769575468_829ef4bc1b_h.jpg



Jan 10, 2019 at 02:31 PM
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p.32 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Hi guys,

Has someone tried the Leica Summon 28mm f2.0 ASPH. on the Z7?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard



Jan 10, 2019 at 05:45 PM
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p.32 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Bernard,

There were two version of this lens. I sold my 1st version 28cron due to lack of use. However, it was not worth its price for Sony but is one of most loved Leica glass for M. I don’t expect it will perform as great as M on Z, even it should perform better than Alpha. Depend on what you want use it, for use at f2, I wouldn’t worry it performance given it is never sharp to corner on M as well. However, for landscape, without test at F8-f11, it should offer decent sharpness at corner but not have the same fidelity on M. I see these effect on 21 SEM, useable but not top grade.

Leica redesigned it to latest version, which report perform much better on SL for cross frame, even slightly better than on M. I would expect it will have great performance on Z with this 2nd version.

Test M glass on Z is also tricky. Adapter should be adjusted to have perfect flange distance to show real potential of the glass. Many internet test didnot/cant have correct setting to draw objective conclusion.

This is not first hand experience, but I am quite confident about my comment I really have too much experience on M glass on both alpha and Z.

bernardl wrote:
Hi guys,

Has someone tried the Leica Summon 28mm f2.0 ASPH. on the Z7?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard




Jan 10, 2019 at 07:44 PM
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Really looking forward to the 14-30. The firmware announcement is welcome. Shows Nikon is listening. I think the Z6 is a steal.

Is their 24-70 worth it or would you get a prime instead? We should be getting the 2.8 24-70 this year!

I suppose it’s if you want a super compact kit.



Jan 13, 2019 at 10:40 AM
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davewolfs wrote:
Really looking forward to the 14-30. The firmware announcement is welcome. Shows Nikon is listening. I think the Z6 is a steal.

Is their 24-70 worth it or would you get a prime instead? We should be getting the 2.8 24-70 this year!

I suppose it’s if you want a super compact kit.


The 24-70 is surprisingly good and quite compact, I am also looking forward to the 14-30 and together the two zooms would make up a very competent and small landscape kit. At least that is what I hope , the 14-30 isn't out yet.

Two from today with the S-50/1.8












Jan 13, 2019 at 11:41 AM
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Now that a few people have had more experience with this camera and M lenses, what is the consensus on focusing?

a) is it possible to manual focus accurately and consistently without magnifyfing the image?

b) If it is neccessary to magnify, can it be done fluently and quickly, without missing the moment? - I'm thinking of moving subjects and blinking eyes as two obvious difficulties.

c) With the A7rIII it is possible to raise the sharpness/IQ setting which then introduces a shimmer for easier focusing (I've only read this about the A7rIII, but have experience of it on the A6000). This makes focusing without magnification fluent and relatively accurate. Is it possible to do this on the Z7? Has anyone had any experience of its accuracy, particularly for wide angles? (Note: this 'shimmer' has nothing to do with focus-peaking).

d) Is focus-peaking on the Z7 accurate and useable? Can anyone compare its accuracy to the A7rIII?



Jan 17, 2019 at 09:22 AM
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After using the Z6 for a few weeks with a range of M lenses, here are my findings:

a) EVF is a little better than that of Sony A7RIII and looks less digital. I find it easier to focus with it with no magnification.

b) I find the zoom mode of the Z6 has a very serious lag, compared with Sony. There is no way you can make sure not to miss the moment. Taking a picture of yourself in the mirror in zoom mode and blicking a eye, you can then see yourself blinking in the EVF. I recommend using the zoom only for static or very predictably moving subjects.

c) Haven't played that much with these settings, but I confirm you can get the shimmer to help manually focus, but maybe not as obvious as with he Sony.

d) I don't like focus peaking much, so haven't really used it.



Jan 18, 2019 at 02:20 AM
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p.32 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


mvjasper wrote:
As requested, I’ll provide a few shots from each lens as time permits. Not a whole lot went into image selection, other than perhaps a little effort to provide some diversity of subject. For each, I’ll add what some will no doubt consider a few subjective comments that I am happy to call my own.

The Voigtlander 40 has turned out to be a gem of a lens, mechanically and optically. It’s made at the same Cosina factory in Japan as the Zeiss Classic, Milvus, and Otus lenses, and I can’t find anything about it’s build to suggest any less care
...Show more

I'm looking forward to picking up the 40mm F2, I had previously used the 40mm 1.2 on Sony E-Mount and loved everything about it.

Also, I wish my Schnauzer would sit still for photos.... bugger requires a minimum shutter of 1/2000 it seems like!




Jan 18, 2019 at 04:12 AM
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p.32 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I noticed that DPR reported that K&F are releasing a swath of adapters for the Z shortly. Interesting that they include one for Canon EF lenses, albeit dumb. I hope this might lead other makers to consider a smart adapter. I'm eyeing the Nikon, but only if I can include using my Canon TSE lenses, and I'll want aperture control (not interested in shutting down on another body)

https://www.dpreview.com/news/3320671376/k-f-concept-nikon-z-lens-adapters-start-shipping-on-january-22nd



Jan 19, 2019 at 04:29 AM
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It looks like Techart is trying to give a smooth transition from Sony to Z ownership...

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-techart-electronic-adapter-allows-e-mount-lenses-to-be-used-on-nikon-z-cameras-with-autofocus/



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