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p.5 #1 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


timerickson wrote:
Yep, I have and love it, best bag I've ever owned (among many). It's very similar to their 40 as well, but with now removable hip belt. You owe it to yourself to try a Shimoda


Interested to hear how the Explore 30 is holding up, I am debating between this and the Loka UL from F-Stop



Mar 24, 2019 at 05:57 PM
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p.5 #2 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?




BPsmith511 wrote:
Interested to hear how the Explore 30 is holding up, I am debating between this and the Loka UL from F-Stop



I’ve actually owned both for a considerable amount of time. The materials on the Shimoda are just a bit thicker without being too much heavier, which has meant considerably better durability. The Loka UL has some weak points, namely the mesh side pockets have torn on me after just a few months of consistent use. My Shimoda 30/40 directly replaced my Loka UL. I used the 40 until the 30 was released, hence “30/40”. They’re very similar packs which I’ve noted.



Mar 25, 2019 at 10:02 AM
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p.5 #3 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


timerickson wrote:
I’ve actually owned both for a considerable amount of time. The materials on the Shimoda are just a bit thicker without being too much heavier, which has meant considerably better durability. The Loka UL has some weak points, namely the mesh side pockets have torn on me after just a few months of consistent use. My Shimoda 30/40 directly replaced my Loka UL. I used the 40 until the 30 was released, hence “30/40”. They’re very similar packs which I’ve noted.


Hey Tim

Mind letting us know a bit more about the 30:
1. What are you shooting with and how much can you store in the backpack? (I'm specifically wondering if a Sony a7rIII and 100-400 can fit in a small core unit)
2. Which core units do you use and do you think 3 small core units could fit?
3. Do you use the side access option?
4. How does the exterior size of the 30 compare to the 40? I think my favorite part of the 30 is the removable belt but wonder how it sizes compared to the other as there are very few photos/reviews of the 30 on the web. If you have a photo of it on, that would be great...

Thanks!



Mar 25, 2019 at 10:41 AM
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p.5 #4 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


I use this for a water bottle when skiing:
https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/bottle-holders/

I carry a small bladder or another bottle in the pack to refill from. In summer when using a bladder with my ski pack, I put the bladder in the front packet for avy gear and run the hose through the zipper. Having that much water next to my camera gear always made me nervous.



Mar 25, 2019 at 12:09 PM
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p.5 #5 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


Well just found this thread after having a separate thread I started on DPReview. Wish I had seen this earlier.
I ended up buying the Shimoda 30L. Debated this since the 40L is only 1.5" taller but wanted the lightest weight and I am intentionally keeping my camera gear small. It will arrive tomorrow from B&H. I plan to use mine for mountain hiking that a friend has guided me along in. All my expected hikes with him will be vertical in the Maine and NH White Mountains. Did my first last week that was only 905 feet to the top to get to the 2850 summit but gave me a real feel of what to expect. Same grade just longer he said. He has climbed all the "48 4Ks in NH" several times along with the "52 with a View".

For starters I only ordered the small insert since I really want to only take a a7RIII with 24-105 and maybe 16-35mm. Right now I am not planning on bringing any long lenses. I may change that up and bring a 18, 40, and 135 Batis. I think I am now going to get a second small insert because if you want side access you need two of those according to the video I saw on line yesterday. One rotated to the side and a second one to hold it in place really. I hope the removable belt is good because if it isn't I would trade up to the 40L.

For flat land hiking I have a BackLight 26L i really like it and its belt but for that use I really don't take extra food and non-camera gear but learning that backpacks without space for that are really only for travel and city stuff where you can stop to get a bite to eat. Have asked Mindshift to make Stash Master 11L for the Backlight 36L now that they created the 13L for the Backlight 48L.

Hey one last question. What size water bladder fits in the the Shimoda 30L? Any recommendations on what to buy?

Steve



May 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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p.5 #6 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


First thought the removable waist belt on the Shimoda 30 is an improvement over the 40 but just realized you can’t swing the pack around your hips to the front and open the back panel as shown in some videos of the 40/60. Because the waist belt is attached to the back panel on the 30 the whole pack would swing down upon opening the zipper with your gear likely falling to the ground. The 40 seems to be the better choice if you want to access your gear this way.


May 23, 2019 at 04:33 AM
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p.5 #7 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


Peter Gutbrod wrote:
First thought the removable waist belt on the Shimoda 30 is an improvement over the 40 but just realized you can’t swing the pack around your hips to the front and open the back panel as shown in some videos of the 40/60. Because the waist belt is attached to the back panel on the 30 the whole pack would swing down upon opening the zipper with your gear likely falling to the ground. The 40 seems to be the better choice if you want to access your gear this way.


Peter - it doesn't work like the MindShift series. The 30 waist belt will work just like the 40 version. Both are firmly adhered to the backpack (the former removable with velcro). You still rotate the backpack around but the belt rotates with it.



May 23, 2019 at 09:20 AM
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Picture This! wrote:
Looking at pacsafe dimensions (medium and large) and the shape of the Kamber 32 (curved back), I dont see how but please try and let us know. I've only tried with the fstop medium icu and it just wont fit.

Yes I removed the cloth at the bottom of the targhee. I



What exactly didn't fit with the medium? You mention the S of the back, so is it a depth issue? I'm trying to decide between the kamber and Targhee and really just care about how well they carry. I also don't have a lot of gear. D3300 and 2 lenses. Every once in a while maybe 3. A little extra room for filters and cleaning supplies would be nice but i could always find room elsewhere. I'm thinking the f-stop shallow or shimoda mirrorless medium.

Does anyone else make an insert that is designed to stay open? Not sure I'd be interested in a Pacsafe or other brands that you need to unzip after you already unzipped the bag.



Jul 03, 2019 at 12:54 PM
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p.5 #9 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


I received a Shimoda 30L pack and 2 of the small core units from a fellow FMer last night. My go to pack for a few years has been the F-Stop Loka, which I've used with both the small and medium slope F-stop ICUs. Overall I've been very happy with it as it fits my frame pretty well. But I wanted something a bit smaller, and I was intrigued by the Shimoda line-up. Specifically, I like the removable waist belt on the 30L if I'm carrying a light load, the way that the back panel opens to the side rather than towards the bottom, and the option for side access.

First thing I wanted to try out was all of my ICUs/Cores in combination. I can smoothly fit the Medium Slope ICU alone, a Small Pro ICU at the bottom with a Small Core on top of it, or two Small Core units with my old Think Tank Hubba Hubba Hiney bag stacked vertically. Pretty versatile options, and I particularly like the last combo.

When I have traveled with my Loka, I usually had the Medium Slope in place with the Think Tank on top. I keep the camera bodies, lenses, ballhead, and other items in the ICU, and my chargers, a flash, batteries, and other junk in the TT. With the Shimoda, I'm able to carry 2 of the small cores in lieu of the Medium slope. When I arrive at my destination, the TT comes out and I rearrange things for shooting out of the bag. With the Shimoda, I look forward to setting up the 2 Small Cores so that I have side access for a camera and mounted lens, and maybe one additional lens.

Initially, I like how the Shimoda carries better than the Loka. The contour of the shoulder straps and waist strap fit even better. My torso is probably a bit shorter than optimal for the Loka. When I pare it down to just my shooting gear, it can be lower profile and less "strappy" looking. For tripod carry, I prefer the Loka as I usually stick 2 of the tripod legs in a mesh side pocket, head pointing up. On the Shimoda, I don't like the tripod pouch much, and had to change up the way I lash the tripod to the side without that mesh pocket so that it doesn't slide down.

To give an idea of what fits in 2 Small core units, I have the following:
Nikon Z6 and Leica M10, both with RRS L-brackets
Nikon 24-70/4S
CV 40/2 SL-II
FTZ adapter
Zeiss ZM 18/4, 25/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/1.5, 85/1.4
CV 35/1.2
Filter sleeve

In addition I have other crap in the TT bag (chargers, straps, Godox AD200, controller, wireless shutter release, tools). I'm also able to fit a Peak Design Tech Pouch for batteries, cables, memory cards. This sits on top of the TT bag.

It's amazing what fits in there without the whole thing looking bulky. Definitely the upper limit of what I like to carry in a backpack, but I never have all that stuff at once when I'm out shooting.

Will follow up after my trip. One thing I can't figure out is the hydration bladder routing. I guess I'd just leave a gap in the front zipper, and run the tube over the top of the bag to a shoulder strap? I didn't see any pass-through spots. Also have to see if I can attach a Peak Capture to the belt.



Jul 11, 2019 at 10:00 AM
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p.5 #10 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


Hello,

I'm also looking for a comfortable hiking backpack to put my camera in it.

I actually have a F-stop Tilopa but this is not comfortable at all, i really feel pain on my shoulders and back.

I was thinking of buying the Kamber because of the rear opening and the confort of an Osprey bag.

I have just one problem, i absolutly need a insert "Large" because of my gear :

- Canon EOS R
- Canon 400 F4 DO II (6.32 x 9.45 /// 16 x 24 cm) because of this lens ;-P
- Canon 16-35 F4

The insert size :

F-Stop large : 15 x 11.5 x 7" / 38,1 x 29.2 x 17,8 cm
Pacsafe large : 15 x 11.8 x 6.7" / 38 x 30 x 17 cm

Do you think it can fit in the Osprey ? Or have you another idea?

Thank you :-)

Thomas



Jan 03, 2020 at 05:37 AM
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p.5 #11 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


I Use Thinktank Elite 45, but it's rather large. This waterproof pack by German cycling outdoor outfit, Ortlieb, caught my eye recently. In 3 different sizes. It can fit ICUs of one's choice

https://oxbowphoto.com/2019/09/10/ortlieb-atrack-the-almost-perfect-rugged-camera-backpack-thats-not-a-camera-backpack/



Jan 03, 2020 at 08:45 AM
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Khatgs wrote:
Hello,

I'm also looking for a comfortable hiking backpack to put my camera in it.

I actually have a F-stop Tilopa but this is not comfortable at all, i really feel pain on my shoulders and back.

I was thinking of buying the Kamber because of the rear opening and the confort of an Osprey bag.

I have just one problem, i absolutly need a insert "Large" because of my gear :

- Canon EOS R
- Canon 400 F4 DO II (6.32 x 9.45 /// 16 x 24 cm) because of this lens ;-P
- Canon 16-35 F4

The insert size :

F-Stop large : 15 x
...Show more

I have an Amazon small ICU & a Pacsafe medium ICU - that just fits width-wise. Height isn't an issue.



Jan 03, 2020 at 11:12 AM
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p.5 #13 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


Right now the Arcteryx FL45 is my favorite...lenses and gear go in various lowepro pouches and into the pack

Zpacks also makes some nice packs



Jan 07, 2020 at 10:57 PM
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p.5 #14 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


The thing about hiking vs camera packs is to some degree the images we have of being able to quickly flip the bag around, zip open the side access compartment, whip out the camera and snap that one pic.

But in the real world - for me at least - it just doesn't work that way. I hike with the camera out, on a strap, and I only put it in the pack if it starts raining. In which case I just dump the camera on top of everything else. When the rain stops there it is.

I get the organizational compartment systems are cool as well, but in reality - again at least for me - I'm taking 1 or 2 addtl lenses so I just put them in pouches and stow them on top of a sweater at the bottom of the pack, where they're still pretty easy to fish out in the fairly rare moments I change.

I think if you come from a hiking background and you're used to working with your gear in a pack without a ton of organizational compartments - which looks nice in an ad but in practical use doesn't really add much imo in a hiking scenario - I think a great hiking pack like Osprey is the best way to go. When you're doing 10+ miles on variable terrain, you're going to want the comfort and features of a hiking oriented pack more than the beautiful-looking compartment organization of a camera bag, even tho it's a little more chaotic. The gear is still protected just fine.

In other scenarios, that formula changes.



Jan 08, 2020 at 09:46 AM
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p.5 #15 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


Picture This! wrote:
The targhee 32L is a great backpack. I used it with a fstop medium ICU. Carries really well (much much better than dedicated camera backpacks). I also tried a mammut nirvana pro 35 with a medium ICU and LOVED it. I took it on a trip to Iceland and UK and really impressed with it. This is my go-to bag and will be for a long time.


Hi,
Are you still using these packs? Which 32ish Liter pack is your favorite after a couple of years? I was leaning towards the Osprey Kamber 32 but it sounds like it's hard to find an ICU to fit that bag so I am wondering about the Gregory or Mammut. I also like to carry a water bottle instead of a bladder so this sounds like a bit of an issue. I saw where you recently sold an F-Stop bag. Do these non photo bags really carry that much better than something like the F-Stop Loka or Lotus? I would say 5 miles is about the longest I would hike.

Thanks!



Nov 08, 2020 at 07:39 AM
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p.5 #16 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


in the end just about every pack can have some level of hydration capability. i would also get into the habit of carrying a filter system as a backup when things don't go as planned.


Nov 08, 2020 at 08:04 AM
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p.5 #17 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


sjms wrote:
in the end just about every pack can have some level of hydration capability. i would also get into the habit of carrying a filter system as a backup when things don't go as planned.


Thanks, good idea on the filter system. Another question for you - I believe you carry F-stop, is that correct? Have you tried any of these non photo specific brands? I am wondering if for the level of hiking I do (5-6 miles max in a hike), will there be much difference between something like an Osprey or Mammut vs a comparably sized F-Stop? I carry a Sony A7R, 16-35, 24-105 & 100-400 zooms and a tripod + water, snacks and a jacket. Thanks.



Nov 08, 2020 at 08:17 AM
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p.5 #18 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


let me get back to you on the tech this afternoon have to do a little work.


Nov 08, 2020 at 08:36 AM
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p.5 #19 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


1- Mystery Ranch Gallatin Peak 40 back country ski pack. 2 body sizes with harness adjustability.
2- Fstop Ajna back country photo/whatever pack. one size. fixed harness.

both open via padded panel and lid.
- Ajna via HD zippers
- MR via velcro and zippers on back lid via straps w/drawcord closure on bag and extension sleeve for extended loading

lids
- Ajna single zippered lid pocket w/mesh divider medium size.
- MR medium+ zip lid pocket and secondary pocket that uses lid packet for its volume

external body pockets
Ajna
- side pockets that can be used in varied ways. lay flat when not in use for clean lines or adding your own tripod pouch via compression straps
- large panel pocket on back for quite a bit of "stuff"
- PVC reinforced pocket on pack bottom zippered for rain cover (user supplied)
MR
- no side pockets but can add tripod bag via compression straps
- big back pocket for "stuff"
- velcro closed large flat slot behind big back pocket holds mesh helmet /other jacket carry externally when pulled out and hooked up. also storage for user supplied rain cover.

bondage (straps)
Ajna
- separate side and back compression straps
- additional hard points for more strap fun top/bottom
MR
- either side or full back wrap using same straps
- under lid single strap for security of anything under the lid

ICU capacity is up to Fstop Large in both packs leaving approx 20% to 25 volume left over for quite a bit additional stuff that will possibly bring you to you knees.

on either pack there are multiple methods of carrying water.

when compressed nicely either can be considered as carry on. i never had an issue.

MR- hip belt is removable from the to reduce bulk in flying
Ajna- harness structure is non removable

Support (framing)
Ajna- Aluminum allow inverted U compression foam back
MR- Composite rods with compression foam and polymer sheet

HYDRATION- how many different ways do you want to use. so many so little effort.
if you integrate one option that become possibly your only. not good. i like modular.

comfort- highly dependent on the user and their abilities

images below show varied buildups i use
options galore.

when on a plane i have my laptop and other tech junk accessible via these packs (long flights)








MR w/LRG ICU could probably hold an XL ICU







ajna







a bag within a bag



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Nov 08, 2020 at 03:12 PM
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p.5 #20 · Hiking Backpack w/ Hydration: Shimoda, Atlas, Other?


RobDMB wrote:
Would an ICU fit in the smaller Kamber backpacks - for example, the Kamber 22+10 or the Kamber 32? Not sure I need the bigger size.


I haven't finished reading the thread yet but one thing I'd say from years of serious hiking experience in the Himalayas, China, Dolomites and Europe is that most larger packs will cinch down much smaller and with very little weight difference between small/medium or medium/large packs. The extra space will sometimes be invaluable and it's much easier to pack as well as larger packs having better/more suspension/padding to increase comfort levels.



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