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Archive 2018 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?

  
 
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p.2 #1 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


Can't one shoot raw and process jpegs in camera using whatever film simulation they want?


Mar 17, 2018 at 08:10 PM
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p.2 #2 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


BigBadWolfie wrote:
Can't one shoot raw and process jpegs in camera using whatever film simulation they want?


Sure. Its just time consuming to do on a large number of pictures.



Mar 17, 2018 at 09:17 PM
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p.2 #3 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


As a primarily performing arts photographer, I’m in the minority here. I shoot jpgs only. Really high volume shooting and no real advantage to raw files for me. There are some situations where raw is a benefit in my workflow, but for live performances, it’s all jpg.


Mar 18, 2018 at 11:27 AM
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p.2 #4 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


brafman wrote:
Sure. Its just time consuming to do on a large number of pictures.


Not really. If you are applying a default formula — as the film simulations do — you can easily save the settings and apply them to the entire batch of imported files in a single action.

Most of us already do that for any import process. When I import files into my raw conversion app (ACR for me) I add a bunch of text to the EXIF file (copyright and ID info, etc.) and then I apply a standard starting point conversion that uses generic settings for various sharpening parameters, curves, color adjustments, and more. I have different versions of these precesses set up for different cameras.

Dan



Mar 18, 2018 at 11:54 AM
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p.2 #5 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


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Not really. If you are applying a default formula — as the film simulations do — you can easily save the settings and apply them to the entire batch of imported files in a single action.


He was referring to in camera. I am not aware of any way to batch process raws from within the camera.



Mar 18, 2018 at 04:09 PM
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p.2 #6 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


jpg+raw on my XT2.
i find the jpgs great in some situations, and not-so-good in others.
sometimes i use many jpgs, sometimes - few.
anyway, its good to have raw files.
i think (not 100% sure) that if you save only the jpgs - you cant check focus in camera.



Mar 19, 2018 at 04:47 PM
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p.2 #7 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


Basically, I shot Raw, but use jpegs in many situations.


Mar 20, 2018 at 03:32 AM
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p.2 #8 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


Well, you learn something new every day...

A different discussion posted that most Fujifilm buyers were in it for the jpgs. I never shoot in jpg mode, always preferring to shoot purely in raw and do my own post-processing.

I figured that it would be good to see what some subset of Fujifilm users actually do, hence this little "survey."

I expected the predominant choice to be "raw only." It turns out that I was wrong — the most common choice is raw+jpg. (Those who chose this had a range of reasons. For some it seems that the jpg files are primary, with the raw "just in case." In others it seems that the raw files are primary, with the jpgs for quick sharing.)

I do note that only a very small number of respondents expressed an interest in shooting only jpg files.

It occurs to me that another interesting question would get at how many rely heavily on the Fujifilm film-style in-camera interpretations.

Dan



Mar 20, 2018 at 09:45 AM
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p.2 #9 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


I only shoot raw. I tried the raw+jpeg thing but for me, it's just wasted card space. I enjoy processing images and the raw file is just a better starting point. I will sometimes convert an image in-camera to a jpeg so that I can transfer it to my camera and share on social media, but that's about it for me.


Mar 20, 2018 at 10:29 AM
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p.2 #10 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


RAW only was my habit for a long time. There are two main reasons I have switched to RAW+JPEG.

First, Fuji RAF only embeds a small 1920x1280px JPEG preview image. If present, the camera itself utilizes the larger separate JPEG and allows me to zoom in much further when reviewing the image versus the embedded preview. Second, Lightroom can be setup to use the "sidecar" JPEG preview as the preview on import into a catalog. This saves alot of time when importing compared to generating the previews from the raw images.



Mar 20, 2018 at 11:12 AM
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p.2 #11 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


RAW is a must. At times I'll add JPEG.


Mar 21, 2018 at 01:21 PM
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p.2 #12 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


I suppose a follow-up question might be something along the lines of, "Which format do you most often rely on for your photography with Fujifilm x-trans cameras? Raw or jpg?"

Dan



Mar 21, 2018 at 01:38 PM
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p.2 #13 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


My X-T2 is currently set to RAW+JPEG, but I almost never use the JPEG. I leave it on this setting for the very rare times where all I need is a JPEG, e.g., taking a picture of something to show what it looks like for a repair or warranty claim; it's easier than processing the RAW file.

For my serious work, it's RAW all the way. And because i process the RAFs with IXT I can't take advantage of the JPEG sidecar for speedier sorting (as @jeffbuzz explains above). Space is not an issue because I reformat the card after every session, once I've developed the RAFs, imported the DNGs, and backed up the original RAFs.

It all works and I don't give it a lot of thought.



Mar 21, 2018 at 01:51 PM
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p.2 #14 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


gdanmitchell wrote:
I suppose a follow-up question might be something along the lines of, "Which format do you most often rely on for your photography with Fujifilm x-trans cameras? Raw or jpg?"

Dan


RAW



Mar 21, 2018 at 01:55 PM
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p.2 #15 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


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Although I don't agree with everything here, I think he makes some good points about previsualization. If you shoot jpeg, you focus more on the final output and therefore may make slightly different decisions while shooting. He may have points about minute color nuances but I think adobe has improved significantly with x-trans since this video.



Mar 25, 2018 at 08:06 AM
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Although I don't agree with everything here, I think he makes some good points about previsualization. If you shoot jpeg, you focus more on the final output and therefore may make slightly different decisions while shooting. He may have points about minute color nuances but I think adobe has improved significantly with x-trans since this video.


I think that the notion that using limiting equipment (or, in this case, file formats) makes you a better photographer does to stand up to careful consideration. I hear the concept repeated for all sorts of things — using film, choosing primes over zooms, you name it.

In fact, whatever thought process you bring to work done in jpg mode can be brought to work done in raw mode. If anything, I'd argue that using the more capable format requires more thought, not less, since you have a greater range of possibilities to pick from when it comes to considering the potential of the scene data once you get to post production, where you'll have (when it matters) even more control over the nature of the final image.

I stopped shooting jpg (except on my phone) years ago, so I can't give you an example from my own work there, but I can when it comes to another of the nostrums we so often read, namely that shooting with primes makes you a better photographer because "you have to zoom with your feet" and you "can't just stand there and zoom" and so on.

I use both primes and zooms depending upon the subject and shooting circumstances, In fact, if you watched me doing my typical photography with primes, you would likely note that much of it is done quickly and with less apparent thought. On the other hand, if you watched me photograph with zooms you would see that it typically requires more thought and care and takes me longer... because there are more factors to consider when working out a composition.

I argue that the same is try with raw. With jpg there may be a rather limited range of exposure options, marked by the range between the darkest and lightest luminosities that the files can handle. But with raw I might choose to "underexpose" (or not) to protect highlights with a plan to later work the file to recover shadows, for example. In fact, given that the term "previsualization" normally refers to an approach that anticipates how the file will be worked in post and then how it will appear as a print, working with the file format that has greater potential for such work in post request greater previsualization, not less.

Dan



Mar 25, 2018 at 10:18 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I think that the notion that using limiting equipment (or, in this case, file formats) makes you a better photographer does to stand up to careful consideration. I hear the concept repeated for all sorts of things — using film, choosing primes over zooms, you name it.

In fact, whatever thought process you bring to work done in jpg mode can be brought to work done in raw mode. If anything, I'd argue that using the more capable format requires more thought, not less, since you have a greater range of possibilities to pick from when it comes to considering the potential
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I pretty much agree with all this, as far as RAW being superior and requiring you to think more. And giving you more options to think about while shooting. But I would say that focusing on the jpeg file that is shown in your viewfinder (WYSISWG) can drastically change my thought process and what I shoot. Because I see an actual image off the sensor, I know I react a little differently than I was with my ovf.

Even if you never actually USE the jpeg file as suggested in this video, seeing it changes things for me. I may not base exposure solely on it (as I know I can push the highlights and especially shadows further in raw). But I sometimes frame differently. I may see colors or shadows differently. Or I even may choose a different aperture if I notice something distracting in the background. With an OVF that distraction may not show up as clearly. If I see in velvia or acros, those distractions may deminish or stand out. Seeing the corrected distortion in jpeg may cause me to orient my framing slightly differently, etc.

Therefore, I would also say that changing jpeg settings in camera while shooting (film simulation, shadows, highlights, white balance) can cause me to make different decisions.

Maybe that is not true previsualization, but I see some merit in that idea and thought process. This also may be off topic from your original poll intent but it is somewhat related. I'm saying maybe consider jpeg, even if you never use them.



Mar 25, 2018 at 11:03 AM
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p.2 #18 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


I use Raw + JPEG, but almost always use the JPEG with the Acros simulation - it's just that good.


Mar 26, 2018 at 03:05 PM
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p.2 #19 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


I guess I’m an outlier on this. I shoot jpg only for a couple of reasons. The first is that Fuji and Olympus are better at creating great final images than I am. Secondly, I spend a good deal of time behind a computer during my work week, so I find it hard to sit down and do a lot of post on my time off.


Mar 31, 2018 at 08:24 AM
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p.2 #20 · Do you usually record Fujifilm x-trans jpg or raw files?


cwiley wrote:
I guess I’m an outlier on this. I shoot jpg only for a couple of reasons. The first is that Fuji and Olympus are better at creating great final images than I am. Secondly, I spend a good deal of time behind a computer during my work week, so I find it hard to sit down and do a lot of post on my time off.


I can understand that, though I have some comments.

- Camera manufacturers are pretty good at adding default post-processing settings that give us useful and attractive jpgs under many reasonable and typical shooting conditions. (This past week I was pondering how these cameras and these processes do a better job of that automatic "interpretation" than the old drug-store film developers did.)

- I frequently wonder why folks are concerned about having cameras that provide excellent image quality potential when they aren't interested in taking advantage of that potential. This is an honest bit of wondering, and it is not intended to insult anyone. For example, the jpg file output limits your ability to deal with high dynamic range scenes, to tailor a range of settings (sharpening, color balance, and more) that get the most from the images, and so forth. Getting these abilities seems to me to be the main reason for acquiring more expensive and more capable camera equipment.

- Related to that thought, I can do a better job of creating final images than Fujifilm, et all can do with their default settings, particularly when those settings result in jpg output.

- We have different points of view on this, judging from your post, but I have always regarded post (whether optical/chemical post — aka "the darkroom" — or digital post) as part of the process of getting the photographic results I desire. In other words, for me the composition of the scene is no more or less important than what I do in post production.

Take care,

Dan



Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM
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