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Interesting thread and points of view for lighting options, especially cheap, bang for the buck wise vs quality, expensier, bulkier systems. I am a Broncolor user since 70's, nothing in Profoto ever made me consider them, until they came out with easy solutions for HS controlling 35mm format cameras, but Bron caught up fast and now with their Paras, Move pack and small lights and controllers, makes it my lighting system of choice; before I used Hensel Porty. Being based in Bangkok, I did watch Godox grow and grow fast, perfect? no, but it fills lots of needs for a modest price, it very much replaced my older Quantum & Metz portable systems which where expensive. I do like their size, ease of use, portability and good amount of modifiers. On the road, hard to beat; in a storm, don't cry if I loose a head...I hope they keep on growing and come out with a pack and lights that could make me dump my outrageously expensive Bron Movi, but don't expect anything to come even close to my Bron Paras or my Molas...thanks for your input, takomaru


Jan 12, 2018 at 10:23 PM
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If you value short flash duration at higher power output settings and are looking for something relatively portable, IMO it's the Elinchrom Quadra with Action/A head. While the pack is about the size of two AD200s, the head itself is very small and light. 400W/s in the A port gives 1/2800 t.5, which is about 1/1000. 133W/s in the B port gives 1/5700 t.5, which is about 1/2000 t.1. But cost-wise it will be a fair amount more than the AD200. The Quadra Living Light kit had been going for ~$650 IIRC, but it's back up to $1K at B&H, though it comes with the slower flash duration Pro/S head and heavy SLA (lead) battery. It might be possible to find something used at a good price.

AD200 certainly hits a sweet spot in respect to price/quality/performance balance. Based on a colleague's experience with a couple units, I do think they leave something to be desired in respect to longer-term durability and reliability, but given they're quite inexpensive, the best approach for reliability is additional redundancy - buy an extra unit.



Jan 13, 2018 at 01:24 AM
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Price aside ... the prospect of pack / head / cable is less than desirable. I've already got the three piece combo in the form of VBM, power cord, AC light of choice.

The appeal of the AD200 is certainly the form factor (i.e. size & self-contained), and the Norman mount modifier system.

As to the short flash duration. My personal needs are not uber-critical to that (but, certainly respecting of a "better" tool) ... but, I was mostly pointing out that for the vast price differential (and form factor), the quid pro quo trade-off was that certain performance factors may be (realistically) compromised a smidgen.

Right now, I'm researching the lineup of available modifiers from Normal & Lumedyne. I've got a couple that are on my radar that could help make the AD200 a viable "system" for the portable oriented.

I've dabbled with a variety of lights over the years, ranging from speedlights & Lumedyne / Quantuam batteries to Sunpack 622 and Novatron to Spedotron (brownline) back in the 90's to some AB's, White Lightning and craigslist special Impact brand. The latter (i.e. cheap) being most notable at rather long flash durations. There seems to be three tiers in regard to flash duration ... best in class (which I've never used), moderate and "dog slow". I'm good with the first two, it's that last one that irks me. Circuitry (IGBT) plays into that as well.

As long as the Godox doesn't fall into the last category of "dog slow", I should be fine for my foreseeable needs (table top / trail). Given the number of positive feedback, and nobody really complaining about flash duration ... I suspect, they will fall into the moderate category just fine.

I've never cared for speedlights, and had become a bit exasperated with carting / rigging cables, stands, etc. and basically abandoned my use of lighting, in favor of ambient only. The prospect of re-implementing some light into things has a somewhat invigorating appeal. I just am not into cumbersome, anymore ... I move my feet way to much for draggin gear. That, and I did like the light quality of the reflector from my Armatar much better than a speedlight.

I do wish I could waltz down to a local shop and check them out first, but I figure I'll just have to get 'em from Adorama or B&H (good return policy), just in case (although, I suspect I'll be just fine).




Jan 13, 2018 at 03:40 AM
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And I'm just saying that I know several "big name pros" who have gone the opposite direction and one was an endorser for phottix and I asked him why he switched to a non-endorsement deal on godox and he indicated the phottix was just not reliable enough for traveling and pro work.

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Iv worked with both so in my opinion, the Phottix is superior (comparing Indra 500 to AD600E) in every way.

I don't use either for work, as i have no use for them. But if I was forced I would pick the Phottix any day of the week.






Jan 13, 2018 at 07:35 AM
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I would never again buy elinchrom. They have horrible support and do not honor the warranty. I had 3 of the mono flashes burn up and they basically told me they could no longer honor the warranty if I was using them in a socked beauty dish. One of their engineers basically told me that the thermal protection circuit wasn't kicking in soon enough.

Never had a single issue with the same BD and Buff einstein.

So , everytime I see a sexy elinchrom ad I just smh and turn the page.

rscheffler wrote:
If you value short flash duration at higher power output settings and are looking for something relatively portable, IMO it's the Elinchrom Quadra with Action/A head. While the pack is about the size of two AD200s, the head itself is very small and light. 400W/s in the A port gives 1/2800 t.5, which is about 1/1000. 133W/s in the B port gives 1/5700 t.5, which is about 1/2000 t.1. But cost-wise it will be a fair amount more than the AD200. The Quadra Living Light kit had been going for ~$650 IIRC, but it's back up to $1K at B&H,
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Jan 13, 2018 at 07:37 AM
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So ... now the question is getting down to Godox via B&H or Flashpoint via Adorama ... or


Jan 13, 2018 at 08:40 AM
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Doesnt Adorama offers longer warranty ?



Jan 13, 2018 at 08:46 AM
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yes, i believe adorama offers 3 year warranty if you're VIP, 2 if you're non VIP. @helenoster correct me if I'm wrong.


Jan 13, 2018 at 08:55 AM
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Adorama for sure.


Jan 13, 2018 at 10:32 AM
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RustyBug, totally agree with your comment on the power pack plus head and cales not so desireable, but reality in practical use proves this very wrong in my personal use; self contained units are way to heavy to frontload parabolics and making them hard to handle and easy to tip over and loose a head; the mobile pack from Bron has tiny 1200 watt head, very easy to work with and the pack not so heavy to handle but requires assistants, also poweful enough if working at HS or feathering; being my reason for mixing with Godox lights o location, alone and no assistant they are a must for me; but if possible couldn't beat the Bron Move pack with the Para if I tried with any other option in the market...best of luck with your Godox set up; in Bangkok I can test a few combinations in studio before buying, couldn't do this online as I like to see what I buy including light stands...regards, takomaru


Jan 13, 2018 at 07:25 PM
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Yeah, I don't expect the AD200 to "beat" a pack & head combo for brute power ... but, I do hope it gives me more power, and better (includes simplicity of Norman mount) modifier options than a speedlight.

Signed up for the VIP with Adorama ... includes the 1 yr "drops" protection, so that'll help with the "build" while I"m getting used to using it if I have a "boo-boo".



Jan 13, 2018 at 08:40 PM
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It's good having guarantees, especially 1 yr ones. Here, I get to test them but only guarantees are mulfunctioning and never had serious problems with any Godox flash units and been using mulriple ones for the past 3 years; only no controllers at the beginning now all that is leveled and taken care of...best of luck


Jan 13, 2018 at 09:48 PM
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jzucker wrote:
yes, i believe adorama offers 3 year warranty if you're VIP, 2 if you're non VIP. @helenoster@ correct me if I'm wrong.

Adorama VIP360 membership gives you a year of drops & spills coverage provided by New Leaf, for products purchased from Adorama during your VIP360 membership term.



Jan 14, 2018 at 03:10 AM
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Here’s the

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showing the AD200 Dual head being used.

I’m intrigued by the HSS capability. It would be great to shoot >250th to be able to shoot environmental portraits at large apertures. Also, shoot with both Canon and Fuji. The triggers are so inexpensive that it would be easy to have one flash system for both.

Kent, what kind of photos are you planning to shoot with the flash?



Jan 14, 2018 at 09:25 AM
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RustyBug-You have already gotten lots of good answers to your question. I have experience with the ad360 non-ttl lights, one Flashpoint, one Bolt. I think the Flashpoint brand is better supported in terms of choice of options, and customer satisfaction, but having said that, I have not had any real problems with either.

For context, I don’t use ttl at all.

Coming from a bag full of speedlights with their many noted shortcomings, the 360’s are a huge step up.

Re: General build quality, I think they are surprisingly good. I am picky about that stuff and to me the quality is very good. Other pluses are power; recycle time; ability to quickly adjust output; bare bulb design.

I have a few critical comments: that tube is completely exposed during transport unless you leave the reflector on, and for purposes of efficient packing, I like to remove it. I think the basic kit should come with a flash tube cover which I did purchase separately. One fit, the other did not, so to your question about build quality, that is the only issue I have had, and the vendor replaced the cover with another, which worked fine.

The design of this particular flash is to have a separate battery pack(obviously), but that configuration is more clumsy when you are trying to rig the lights on a stand. Some of the newer flashes are smaller and self contained(such as the evolv200) and might work better if you do not need the extra power.



Jan 14, 2018 at 10:24 AM
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Doug,

I am very much a generalist in the realm of whatever direction my feet take me, and something intrigues my eye. However, that means ambient only and as "good" as I am with understanding and harnessing ambient, it's not to say I couldn't benefit from some controllable light.

Not that I'm necessarily a large "flora / fauna" guy, but traveling through the woods and finding some nice species to capture, the lighting can range from harsh light dappling through to simply very low and uber-flat. While a tripod / long shutter can help, the long shutter isn't so helpful in the wind. Something with the ability to (securely & conveniently) attach a small box, dish or globe has kinda been my "litmus quest". Small subjects and proximity can yield scaled down "large light source".

Otoh, I'm looking at more power for more distant subjects (say geese / ducks / birds / sports) that a speedlight can't reach. I seem to routinely find myself on the shadow side, or light challenged time of day / weather. That, or the need for more power to raise ambient in a room.

I've tried using the speedlight attachments, and just never found them to be to my liking. That, and AA batteries and I just never have developed a good relationship. Mostly, I'm "Mr. Versatile" (rarely people), and I'm looking for a lighting solution that can provide a similar versatility while being mobile ... that I can build into.

I'm thinking (subject to change), that the AD200 to start will get things going. From there, the Streaklight / AD360 would make the 1-2 punch, and/or a second AD200, to make a 1-1 or 1-1-2 punch ... still using the same modifier base Norman mount. To me, that should make for both a field friendly solution and a (modestly) studio capable one as well. (Plus I've still got the other lights, I just never made a "system" of anything.)

A while back, I thought the introduction of the VBM from PCB would be my mobile solution, and I'd make a system with PCB stuff. But, it just hasn't turned out that way for me ... i.e. it really isn't "backpack friendly". The AD200 seems like it should fit that bill much better, and the fact that it is self-contained, wireless ready ... all the better.

The marketing of the B2 and A1 from Profoto, got me looking that direction a bit. That's where I first learned of Godox as folks were comparing the two. The AD360 reminded of my Armatar (except for the external power source), and that led me to find the AD200 ... and thus, the origin of this thread.

Conceptually (i.e. outa my "desired" budget), I'd build a Norman or Lumedyne system ... but, they never developed a self-contained unit, such as the AD200. So, with the advent of the AD200 / AD360 TTL, my exasperation has turned to (guarded / hopeful) enthusiasm.



Jan 14, 2018 at 11:04 AM
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Evolv 200 (and "stuff") ... on its way.

Thanks to all for the info / perspective.

Just another part of why ... FM ROCKS !!!



Jan 14, 2018 at 12:28 PM
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You will love the AD200, I love mine for the same reasons you were looking for. I shoot Fuji and Canon and Godox drew me in with the cross system compatibility. I have the X1T trigger and am waiting for the X-Pro-Fuji version when it comes out - the X1T is a bit clunky with a small display.
If you are looking for a backup trigger for the AD200 you might consider one of the TT350 small speedlights - it is a master unit as well as a small on camera flash that has a built in receiver.



Jan 14, 2018 at 09:24 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
Price aside ... the prospect of pack / head / cable is less than desirable. I've already got the three piece combo in the form of VBM, power cord, AC light of choice.


This is my experience as well. I've been using pack-and-head for years with Profoto Acute2 and B600 systems, and never found them to be terribly convenient for any other reason than centralized control and lighter heads. But modern alternatives let you control everything from a hot-shoe trigger, and the heads/monolights aren't all that big unless you opt for something really powerful (e.g., in the 500-600W/s range).

I think you'll like the AD200. The ease with which I can just position a few lights to accent-light a casual scene is really great, with wireless TTL control of everything, is great. The UI for the controllers could be better, but it's certainly not unintuitive.



Jan 15, 2018 at 06:07 AM
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Yes it will fit the a7rii with GM 24-70. Great little bag - used to keep my little travel cam kit of an a6000 and 3 lenses in one. I sold it after a year or so of pretty rough usage and it was still in great condition - the synthetic fabric wears incredibly well.

Personally though, I prefer the looks of the Ona Bowery bag carrying something the size and weight of the A7rii and 24-70 f2.8.



Jan 15, 2018 at 01:35 PM
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