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p.1 #1Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
I just tested the Batis 25/2 vs the 12-24/4 @24mm and here are the results I see at infinity. Both lenses are well centered at this focal length.
My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mm
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My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mm
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Dec 23, 2017 at 04:31 PM
p.1 #2Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
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Dec 23, 2017 at 04:32 PM
p.1 #5Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Great comparison Fred.
I think the conclusion that I draw from this test is that the 12-24 is really quite an exceptional lens, I don't think my copy is this good at 24mm, it's strength lies in the 15-16mm range.
I think the conclusion that I draw from this test is that the 12-24 is really quite an exceptional lens, I don't think my copy is this good at 24mm, it's strength lies in the 15-16mm range.
Dec 23, 2017 at 04:49 PM
p.1 #6Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Looks like the Batis controls flare a bit better. Both are quite amazing in the corners and edges.
Dec 23, 2017 at 05:20 PM
p.1 #7Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
My 12-24 seems to be unusable at the 24mm end.
This maybe a stupid question to ask.
Could I send the lens to be calibrated, so it's sharp end to end and all through the zoom range or is that just wishful thinking?
I would be sending it to Sony UK, and from experience they didn't do a good job of fixing another lens I sent them.
I could have calibrated with greater accuracy, if I thrown it against a wall.
It's pretty good at the wide end, I just don't want them to F it up.
I do have the Batis 25mm, so I use that when needed.
Thank you.
This maybe a stupid question to ask.
Could I send the lens to be calibrated, so it's sharp end to end and all through the zoom range or is that just wishful thinking?
I would be sending it to Sony UK, and from experience they didn't do a good job of fixing another lens I sent them.
I could have calibrated with greater accuracy, if I thrown it against a wall.
It's pretty good at the wide end, I just don't want them to F it up.
I do have the Batis 25mm, so I use that when needed.
Thank you.
Dec 23, 2017 at 05:28 PM
p.1 #8Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of course, the Batis is great for street and such being autofocus with good bokeh, speed, and a short minimum focus distance. I suspect it would make a good two lens kit with an FE 55 for walk around.
Dec 23, 2017 at 06:17 PM
p.1 #9Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Luvwine wrote:
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of...Show more →
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering but it's an easy fix in post. I basically use the G ultra wide as a complement to my primes.
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of...Show more →
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering but it's an easy fix in post. I basically use the G ultra wide as a complement to my primes.
Dec 23, 2017 at 06:58 PM
p.1 #10Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
Agreed on the 12-24. A good copy (as you have and I do too)is remarkably sharp. It is light weight too. The only issues are ease of filter use (or rather lack of ease) and color rendering. Loxia sun stars are more fun too. If I want a minimalist landscape package, it will take the 12-24 and the Zeiss 35-70. I add the 100-300, Zeiss 21, Voigtlander 65, Loxia 85, et al. Depending on how much I am willing to schlep. Am happy with the zoom from 12-20 for sure . I just like the Loxia 21 rendering a bit better and ease of filter use on the Loxia too, but the Sony is an amazingly good lens—especially considering it is not a “GM” lens....
Edited on Dec 24, 2017 at 09:11 AM · View previous versions
Luvwine wrote
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of course, the Batis is great for street and such being autofocus with good bokeh, speed, and a short minimum focus distance. I suspect it would make a good two lens kit with an FE 55 for walk around.It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
Agreed on the 12-24. A good copy (as you have and I do too)is remarkably sharp. It is light weight too. The only issues are ease of filter use (or rather lack of ease) and color rendering. Loxia sun stars are more fun too. If I want a minimalist landscape package, it will take the 12-24 and the Zeiss 35-70. I add the 100-300, Zeiss 21, Voigtlander 65, Loxia 85, et al. Depending on how much I am willing to schlep. Am happy with the zoom from 12-20 for sure . I just like the Loxia 21 rendering a bit better and ease of filter use on the Loxia too, but the Sony is an amazingly good lens—especially considering it is not a “GM” lens....
Edited on Dec 24, 2017 at 09:11 AM · View previous versions
Dec 23, 2017 at 08:07 PM
p.1 #11Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Luvwine wrote:
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of...Show more →
I agree,
I decided to sell my 28 FE and go with the B25.
The B25 and 55Z are my street and travel lenses.
25/55 seems perfect, um 23/55
I did get the 12-24g too, for my UW needs.
Went with 35/50/85, all 1.4, for portraits
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of...Show more →
I agree,
I decided to sell my 28 FE and go with the B25.
The B25 and 55Z are my street and travel lenses.
25/55 seems perfect, um 23/55
I did get the 12-24g too, for my UW needs.
Went with 35/50/85, all 1.4, for portraits
Dec 23, 2017 at 08:49 PM
p.1 #12Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
I've found I really like many of these f/4 wide angle zooms that I've seen in recent years. Great IQ and smaller, I prefer them to the f/2.8 variants.
Luvwine wrote
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of course, the Batis is great for street and such being autofocus with good bokeh, speed, and a short minimum focus distance. I suspect it would make a good two lens kit with an FE 55 for walk around.It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
I've found I really like many of these f/4 wide angle zooms that I've seen in recent years. Great IQ and smaller, I prefer them to the f/2.8 variants.
Dec 23, 2017 at 09:45 PM
p.1 #13Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
How would the 16-35GM compare to the batis 25 or loxia 21
Dec 23, 2017 at 10:15 PM
p.1 #14Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
It's also worth mentioning that the Batis 25/2 shows moderate LaCA while the 12-24/4 is pretty much free of lateral chromatic aberration. That's one of the reasons I like the 12-24/4 G zoom more than the 16-35/2.8 GM.
The 12-24/4 has also minimal LoCA wide open but to be fair, the Batis 25/2 is much cleaner at f/4.
The 12-24/4 has also minimal LoCA wide open but to be fair, the Batis 25/2 is much cleaner at f/4.
Dec 23, 2017 at 10:42 PM
p.1 #15Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
No doubt high resolution, I noticed that right away
Luvwine wrote
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of course, the Batis is great for street and such being autofocus with good bokeh, speed, and a short minimum focus distance. I suspect it would make a good two lens kit with an FE 55 for walk around.It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering...Show more →
No doubt high resolution, I noticed that right away
Dec 23, 2017 at 10:51 PM
p.1 #16Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
IndyFab wrote:
Yes, it seems slightly wider than 24mm but same as Canon TS-E 24mm after distortion correction. Definitely not 25.
It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering but it's an easy fix in post. I basically use the G ultra wide as a complement to my primes.No doubt high resolution, I noticed that right away
I was quite surprised by this comparison but knew the 12-24G was great when I tested it against my Loxia 21.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1498485
Honestly, I was expecting the Batis to do way better than the zoom considering 24mm is the zoom weakest FL and Batis starts with a 2-stop advantage at f/4.
For landsapes, shooting at f/5.6 and smaller, I think either lens will do great. Flare performance could be an advantage for the Batis but from my initial tests, it's not its strong suit either.
Fred Miranda wrote
Luvwine wrote
I remember when I had the Batis 25, I had heard it was more like 23.5mm. This seems to be born out by your test. The Batis is great with flat field from wide open, but I found its rendering less to my taste for landscapes than the Loxia 21 and was close enough in focal length that I did not want to own both (I also like the Loxia size, sun stars, and and build quality). If the new Loxia 25 is really 25 (or 26) then it may complement the Loxia 21 better than the Batis does. Of course, the Batis is great for street and such being autofocus with good bokeh, speed, and a short minimum focus distance. I suspect it would make a good two lens kit with an FE 55 for walk around.It renders beautiful colors and nice contrast though, very close to what I get from the Loxia 21. (Loxia has higher micro-contrast and resolution though)
The 12-24/4G is just a freakish zoom with high resolution throughout the entire range. It challenges my best primes and that includes the Loxia 21.
The zoom weakest focal length is 24mm but at center, even wide open, it's quite similar to the Zeiss 25mm prime two stops down! I don't love the zoom color rendering but it's an easy fix in post. I basically use the G ultra wide as a complement to my primes.
I was quite surprised by this comparison but knew the 12-24G was great when I tested it against my Loxia 21.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1498485
Honestly, I was expecting the Batis to do way better than the zoom considering 24mm is the zoom weakest FL and Batis starts with a 2-stop advantage at f/4.
For landsapes, shooting at f/5.6 and smaller, I think either lens will do great. Flare performance could be an advantage for the Batis but from my initial tests, it's not its strong suit either.
Dec 23, 2017 at 10:57 PM
p.1 #17Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Thanks for the link Fred, interestingly Roger from lensrental prefers the 16-35GM over the 12-24.. Although does 12 -15 which the 16-35 is not capable.
Dec 23, 2017 at 11:18 PM
p.1 #18Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
IndyFab wrote:
Thanks for the link Fred, interestingly Roger from lensrental prefers the 16-35GM over the 12-24.. Although does 12 -15 which the 16-35 is not capable.
Both lenses really complement each other. Roger's infinity tests show the 16-35/4 ZA being sharper than the GM from 16mm until 24mm at center (wide open for both though).
I am pretty sure he prefers the Canon 16-35/2.8L III more than either Sony.
Thanks for the link Fred, interestingly Roger from lensrental prefers the 16-35GM over the 12-24.. Although does 12 -15 which the 16-35 is not capable.
Both lenses really complement each other. Roger's infinity tests show the 16-35/4 ZA being sharper than the GM from 16mm until 24mm at center (wide open for both though).
I am pretty sure he prefers the Canon 16-35/2.8L III more than either Sony.
Dec 23, 2017 at 11:27 PM
p.1 #19Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Man, I wish the couple 12-24's I tried were as good as the consensus. I may give it another shot later on, but I really don't find the 12-15 range that useful for what I do except in very, very rare circumstances. I may rent a 16-35 GM to see how it stacks up.
Dec 24, 2017 at 12:55 AM
p.1 #20Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
tylerdurden801 wrote:
Man, I wish the couple 12-24's I tried were as good as the consensus. I may give it another shot later on, but I really don't find the 12-15 range that useful for what I do except in very, very rare circumstances. I may rent a 16-35 GM to see how it stacks up.
If you rarely go 12-15mm, I'd say rent both 16-35/2.8 GM and 16-35/4 ZA and decide which is best for you.
Man, I wish the couple 12-24's I tried were as good as the consensus. I may give it another shot later on, but I really don't find the 12-15 range that useful for what I do except in very, very rare circumstances. I may rent a 16-35 GM to see how it stacks up.
If you rarely go 12-15mm, I'd say rent both 16-35/2.8 GM and 16-35/4 ZA and decide which is best for you.
Dec 24, 2017 at 01:00 AM