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p.11 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


It’s a A9 battery which is very nice. This is a plus


Oct 25, 2017 at 12:33 PM
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mjm6 wrote:
My take is that almost none of the new features in the camera are terribly useful to me, and in a few respects, this creates more hassles.

- I already have a 42MP camera, so I gain nothing there.
- Presumably, it will still be missing a lossless cRAW file format, so no improvement there.
- Presumably still has the Sony-patented Stareater feature.
- I don't want to have two different battery sizes in my bag to deal with; that's a drawback.
- 10 fps is basically useless to me.
- Better video is basically useless to me.
- Faster/better AF is basically useless to me, but
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Why I said do your homework. Basically your A7r2 is worth let’s say 2k used and that maybe generous is this worth the extra 1200 in feature sets. There are some great ones but it has to make your life better as a artist

I’m going the opposite way by going down to this cam from the A9 and I gotta figure out what I’m losing not really gaining because nothing is going to touch the A9 except more Mpx. Is that worth it to me.

The A9 still is the Holy Grail in Sony except for higer Mpx and that’s it. Tough call for me

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Oct 25, 2017 at 12:37 PM
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dolina wrote:
@mjm6@ i think the form factor of the new battery is the same as the old one.


I don't think so, unless they have some bad information out there.

SonyAlphaRumors is stating that the battery is the larger a9 battery.

If it is the smaller a7 battery, then that would be excellent.

I wonder if anyone has made an adapter to use the a7 batteries in the a9 camera? Assuming they don't explicitly make them chip exclusive somehow, an adapter could solve the problem for people who don't really have a need for 700 shots before swapping batteries.



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM
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p.11 #4 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


The A9 battery will last almost 2 1/2 the battery life of the A7 series. Extra batteries are 78 dollars. I have 3 total and maybe a few times even went to two.

Facts folks let’s get this right.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=CjwKCAjw7MDPBRAFEiwAppdF9J2rC4jhGaXu-i6tBP0Sb3Uno7XQOor8_b5y7he-ZuyfX8VKtiezJhoCErAQAvD_BwE&is=REG&m=Y&sku=1333269

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Oct 25, 2017 at 12:43 PM
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I think this is a nice upgrade.

Owning an A7RII myself, I see no personal need to upgrade. Actually, the only thing I really miss / want is built-in GPS for location data, I'm always surprised more people don't want that. I love taking pictures with my phone and having the correct location in the exif without having to think about. But maybe that's just me



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:44 PM
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Depends if your a landscape shooter and you have your secret spot you may not want anyone to know it. When I taught workshops . I certainly did not want anyone outside my paying customers to know where we are. People just go on there own. Hell I worked my butt off finding the perfect locations.


Oct 25, 2017 at 12:48 PM
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mjm6 wrote:
I'm not him, and this may not be what he is getting it, but this is how I see it:

This isn't pixel shift to increase the image resolution or file size (pixel dimensions), it's de-bayer-filtering the pixels, so this is really completely different from a stitching approach. The file size remains the same, but the ability of the file to hold onto detail increases because the data is collected for R, G, and B at ever location, rather than being approximated from nearby pixels.

It would be possible to do that if they were to shift by 1/2 a pixel and
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I'm slightly familiar with the vague concept of pixel shift, but not from actual use. I was hoping for more actual MP resolution from a new camera, but this could be interesting for those times when it's usable.

I'm not convinced that stitching multiple frames isn't the best way to gain resolution vs pixel shift. If the pixel dimensions of an image are the same as one gets from A7RII, that image still needs to be interpolated upward to reach a larger size for printing, whereas multiple stitched images may be large enough with no interpolation required. Am I understanding correctly that, in theory, a pixel-shifted image from A7RIII can create a larger print size yet retain the same amount of detail as an image from A7RII, similar to what it might have been from, say, a 70 MP single frame capture, even though it has to be interpolated to reach that larger print size?



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mjm6 wrote:
I don't think so, unless they have some bad information out there.

SonyAlphaRumors is stating that the battery is the larger a9 battery.

If it is the smaller a7 battery, then that would be excellent.

I wonder if anyone has made an adapter to use the a7 batteries in the a9 camera? Assuming they don't explicitly make them chip exclusive somehow, an adapter could solve the problem for people who don't really have a need for 700 shots before swapping batteries.


Thanks for the correction. That saved me a wrong purchase.

It would be nice if the battery was the grip itself.



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:49 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
Why I said do your homework. Basically your A7r2 is worth let’s say 2k used and that maybe generous is this worth the extra 1200 in feature sets. There are some great ones but it has to make your life better as a artist

I’m going the opposite way by going down to this cam from the A9 and I gotta figure out what I’m losing not really gaining because nothing is going to touch the A9 except more Mpx. Is that worth it to me.

The A9 still is the Holy Grail in Sony except for higer Mpx and
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My thought exactly. The first thought I had when I saw the announcement this morning was to sell off my A9 to get this camera. But as my excitement dampened down a bit, like you, my only wish with the A9 is the MP, though for my personal use, 24MP is perfectly okay. The A9 is just such a joy of a camera to use. Lenses can behave much better on the body (for me the FE 35/1.4). As I will wait and see. But I suspect I might have to wait for the A9R to get my hi-res body.



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:49 PM
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hiepphotog wrote:
My thought exactly. The first thought I had when I saw the announcement this morning was to sell off my A9 to get this camera. But as my excitement dampened down a bit, like you, my only wish with the A9 is the MP, though for my personal use, 24MP is perfectly okay. The A9 is just such a joy of a camera to use. Lenses can behave much better on the body (for me the FE 35/1.4). As I will wait and see. But I suspect I might have to wait for the A9R to get my hi-res body.


I thought the same this morning actually very late last night and today I am doing the real homework. A9 users get one thing and one thing only, more MPX but there are some losses here too. I need to get both spec sheets and analyze this much more carefully. My gut says one thing but my brain needs to match it



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:54 PM
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DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
I'm slightly familiar with the vague concept of pixel shift, but not from actual use. I was hoping for more actual MP resolution from a new camera, but this could be interesting for those times when it's usable.

I'm not convinced that stitching multiple frames isn't the best way to gain resolution vs pixel shift. If the pixel dimensions of an image are the same as one gets from A7RII, that image still needs to be interpolated upward to reach a larger size for printing, whereas multiple stitched images may be large enough with no interpolation required. Am I understanding correctly
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If it is a scene for which it would work, then there is no reason not to use pixel shift for each frame and then stitch multiple frames. You would get the best of both approaches. As I understand it, the way Sony implemented pixel shift the advantage is that you don't have to use interpolation of the correct color from adjacent pixels. Every pixel sized part of the image on the sensor is measured with red, green, and blue pixels. Not interpreting get you better color but also better definition of the image.



Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM
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DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
I'm slightly familiar with the vague concept of pixel shift, but not from actual use. I was hoping for more actual MP resolution from a new camera, but this could be interesting for those times when it's usable.

I'm not convinced that stitching multiple frames isn't the best way to gain resolution vs pixel shift. If the pixel dimensions of an image are the same as one gets from A7RII, that image still needs to be interpolated upward to reach a larger size for printing, whereas multiple stitched images may be large enough with no interpolation required. Am I understanding correctly
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This is not exactly new but what essential it is doing is taking four shots and each pixel gets multiplied by 4 than which will add bit depth to the file and color data as well. than takes that data and merges it together . Its more than this and overall better than stacking as stacking only adds more elbow room for enlargement this actually improves the pixel data itself. Thats how I understand it

I could possible saying this in the wrong way so excuse me if its definition is slightly off






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Oct 25, 2017 at 01:00 PM
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I sold my A7RII this morning and will pre-order the RIII tomorrow morning. For weddings this will be the perfect compliment to my two A9's. For weddings I only used the A7RII for occasional ceremony shots and the ability to crop in more was nice. Now having dual cards and the same battery as the A9 is awesome.


Oct 25, 2017 at 01:02 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
This is a very nice upgrade, but let's keep what they accomplished in perspective. The major advantage is better AF, shooting speed, and likely the operating speed of the camera. I think this was important as the 7r series has moved to be a very competitive jack of all trades professional and advanced hobbyist camera. So, in evaluating the camera we will need to know how good the AF actually is. That we won't know for a month or so as people put it through the paces. We also have to know how nimble and quick the operating speed
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Thanks Steve for the excellent points you make.
They are worth putting your post into a more easily readable / didestable format IMHO, which I did.

I think the A7rIII is an engineering compromise, dictated by currently available chip technology.
About 1.5 years after the A9 showed up, Sony should be in a position to release an A9II with an all electronic shutter speed of 1/300 s. That would be the global electronic shutter that makes a mechanical shutter superfluous. Yeah!

IMHO the same advanced chip technology would also enable Sony to release an A9r with beaucoup pixels and the electronic shutter speed of 1/150 s of the A9. So that would be the high pixel number A9r version of the A9.

My current thinking is, as I have an A7rII and A9 already, that I like and am going to keep, I might just skip the A7rIII and wait for the A9II and A9r.

The for next summer announced FE 400/2.8 GM (hopefully OSS) lens is very tempting though, provided it lives up to the high expectations.

K-H.






Oct 25, 2017 at 01:09 PM
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Okay so I haven't read every single announcement on all the sites, but is there really a no blackout mode for silent shooting on this camera? I don't care if it's burst or single shot, but I really want the silent blackout free mode from the a9.


Oct 25, 2017 at 01:13 PM
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hiepphotog wrote:
My thought exactly. The first thought I had when I saw the announcement this morning was to sell off my A9 to get this camera. But as my excitement dampened down a bit, like you, my only wish with the A9 is the MP, though for my personal use, 24MP is perfectly okay. The A9 is just such a joy of a camera to use. Lenses can behave much better on the body (for me the FE 35/1.4). As I will wait and see. But I suspect I might have to wait for the A9R to get my hi-res body.


Hi Hiep, whatever you do, keeping your A9 is a brilliant idea.

Cheers, Karl-Heinz.



Oct 25, 2017 at 01:23 PM
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trogdon wrote:
Okay so I haven't read every single announcement on all the sites, but is there really a no blackout mode for silent shooting on this camera? I don't care if it's burst or single shot, but I really want the silent blackout free mode from the a9.


There is a silent mode, but I have seen nothing that says there will be zero viewfinder blackout. I therefore assume that there will be viewfinder blackout, although it may well be a shorter blackout than the A7r II.



Oct 25, 2017 at 01:28 PM
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Anyone have any ideas about the banding on the A7r3? Currently in artificial light anything faster than 1/60 has terrible banding!


Oct 25, 2017 at 01:30 PM
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Duckysaysquack wrote:
Anyone have any ideas about the banding on the A7r3? Currently in artificial light anything faster than 1/60 has terrible banding!


Sony has a little blurb about this on the specification page. This what they say:

Flicker from fluorescent and other artificial lighting is automatically detected and shutter action is timed to minimize the flicker's effect on still images. This suppresses exposure and color anomalies at the top and bottom of images shot at high shutter speeds, as well as exposure and color inconsistency between continuous shots, so you can take images indoors with more confidence.

From my perspective it is not very clear what they mean by that and whether it is actually a change from the A7rII or not.

Here is the full spec page if you want to look at more features:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7rm3/specifications



Oct 25, 2017 at 01:37 PM
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lightskyland wrote:
I'm not even talking about IBIS.

I'm talking about holding the camera still. It's not very hard to do when you aren't struggling with mirror slap and shutter shock and you use a sufficiently fast shutter speed for your AOV.

I'm really not interested in justifying my photographic techniques and equipment preferences to you any more while you continue to make claims about how I can't possibly take sharp handheld photos. No one is asking you to photograph without a tripod.


Sorry, never said and certainly never intended to imply that you couldn't take sharp photos. I am sorry if it came across that way. I was never talking about sharp images. I was always talking about maximizing the resolving power of high MP sensors at shutter speeds that aren't super fast. Personally, I can't even do it with my measly 24MP sensor. The tripod photo almost always has slightly more resolution. I never put down Sony. I never put down IBIS. I never claimed anyone's images weren't sharp. Obviously the intent of my comments has not come across clearly.



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