Enri wrote:
Fred. regarding your conflict between Loxia 21 and Loxia 25 (which one to keep), have you tried cropping the 21 to the 25mm AOV? Some time ago a friend of mine tested it (comparing captures made with Loxia 25 with "the sames" done with Loxia 21 cropped to 25mm AOV) and told me that even at 100% magnification he had hard time to distinguish which was cropped vs not cropped.
Of course it would be a "practical" compromise if you would want to have both 21 and 25mm, but it would not work if you wanted to have also 28mm (as you could with Loxia 25 cropped a little)....Show more →
There will be a loss of resolution so the final image would have 30MP instead of 42MP. In the future when cameras have 80-100MP, small crops like this will no longer be an issue. Having said that, 30MP is still a lot of pixels for most output mediums.
My dilemma is that I really like the Loxia 25's rendering for applications other than landscape photography. I would really prefer 28mm but the Loxia 25 is narrow enough for me. (I prefer its AOV over the Batis)
Which ever way the ring moves... been a while. Valorin wrote:
I thought that you push that ring towards the mount and rotate 180 to declick the aperture.
Take 4 shots, stack them, crop them and upsize them. I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't see a difference! But could see it being a pain if you were always wanting 25mm anyway...
Though I guess you could take 2 25mm images and merge them just the same...
Fred Miranda wrote:
There will be a loss of resolution so the final image would have 30MP instead of 42MP. In the future when cameras have 80-100MP, small crops like this will no longer be an issue. Having said that, 30MP is still a lot of pixels for most output mediums.
My dilemma is that I really like the Loxia 25's rendering for applications other than landscape photography. I would really prefer 28mm but the Loxia 25 is narrow enough for me. (I prefer its AOV over the Batis)
Jul 26, 2018 at 10:14 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
There will be a loss of resolution so the final image would have 30MP instead of 42MP. In the future when cameras have 80-100MP, small crops like this will no longer be an issue. Having said that, 30MP is still a lot of pixels for most output mediums.
My dilemma is that I really like the Loxia 25's rendering for applications other than landscape photography. I would really prefer 28mm but the Loxia 25 is narrow enough for me. (I prefer its AOV over the Batis)
The trouble with cropping the Loxia 21, however, is that I really prefer the bokeh of the Loxia 25. I do prefer the 21 for most landscape shots, but I really like the 25 as an all around lens. I solved this dilemma by keeping them both .
Mathieu18 wrote:
Take 4 shots, stack them, crop them and upsize them. I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't see a difference! But could see it being a pain if you were always wanting 25mm anyway...
Though I guess you could take 2 25mm images and merge them just the same...
I will do this for fun and post in a new thread.
I don't even think we need the stacking step for the images to be very similar. However, I think it depends on how much fine detail (micro detail) the image has.
Like Steve, the reason I have both is because I like how the Lox 25 renders wide open and at f/2.8 for other applications other the landscapes. I also like it for landscapes and currently prefer pairing it with the CV 15, skipping the 21mm and 18mm focal lengths all together. It's really a subject choice. The Loxia 21 gave me great images over the years and if I could only bring one lens when shooting landscapes, it would be my choice.
Enri wrote:
Fred, what different rendering of Loxia 25 (with regard to the Loxia 21) are you referring to. Please explain it a little bit. Thanks.
Hi Enri,
I was referring to the OOF rendering where I find the Lox 25 very pleasant with high micro-contrast for the focused area and smooth lower contrast bokeh. (no outlining, no inner pattern).
Enri wrote:
Fred, what different rendering of Loxia 25 (with regard to the Loxia 21) are you referring to. Please explain it a little bit. Thanks.
Hi Enri,
I was referring to the OOF rendering where I find the Lox 25 very pleasant with high micro-contrast for the focused area and smooth lower contrast bokeh. (no outlining, no inner pattern).
There are many samples on this thread starting at page 3: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1539948
Steve Spencer wrote:
The trouble with cropping the Loxia 21, however, is that I really prefer the bokeh of the Loxia 25. I do prefer the 21 for most landscape shots, but I really like the 25 as an all around lens. I solved this dilemma by keeping them both .
Mathieu18 wrote:
Do like this lens but think I'm going to go back to a Loxia 35. I just miss it.
What were your results comparing the E and M versions of the 40? I'm still wondering if the M version is good enough for my uses and I would appreciate slightly lighter weight in handling (than my current E).
I'll call it 2/3 a stop difference depending on where you are in the frame on a stock camera. Meaning with the M mount version, you'll have to stop down a bit further to get similar performance to the FE version. Obviously in the center it's pretty close. In the corners it's probably more like a stop.
I didn't own both at the same time, but feel the thin sensor is close to what I was getting from the FE version.
scottsoapbox wrote:
What were your results comparing the E and M versions of the 40? I'm still wondering if the M version is good enough for my uses and I would appreciate slightly lighter weight in handling (than my current E).
At what distances do you feel this lens shines? Medium and long? In my limited experience with this lens, that's what I've seen from my personal images. I was hoping that the close focus of the Batis 40mm is on point so I can use it for food shots.
HikariHawaii wrote:
At what distances do you feel this lens shines? Medium and long? In my limited experience with this lens, that's what I've seen from my personal images. I was hoping that the close focus of the Batis 40mm is on point so I can use it for food shots.
Wide open the CV 40/1.2 does not perform well at close distance as it's really optimized for infinity. I'd say that at 1.3m and longer, it shines. However, with the help of a close-up achromat lens, it's great even at MFD. (I use the Marumi +3 achromat for that). You must set the lens to 1.5m and attach the close-up lens to get the same native MFD magnification. if you don't want to deal with close-up lenses, you can always stop the lens down to f/2 - f/2.8 and it will perform great even at closer distances.
