Do you guys know any particular sites that list them or which models do have raw support? I don't havem uch money left to spend on high quality cameras for the moment i just want to get started before i make a decision into investing tons of times into digital photography.
amazon doesn't help , too expensive even the used ones do not help.
Google Canon Refurbs and look through their offerings. As Snapsy said, probably one of the higher end P&S cameras. I've used the G series P&Ss for about 10 years and they offer raw output. Several of the others do as well.
If you use CHDK custom firmware you can get RAW files from basic P&S models.
Find something used and cheap and make sure its compatible before buying.
I've used CHDK a while back when I wanted to do some timelapse and gopros wasn't out yet.
just hunt out any of the early DSLR's with a kit lens . you must be able to find some dirt cheap rebel around somewhere .
at least that way you can invest in a better lens or 2 when you a bit more flush and then upgrade the body when you in a position to do so
heck if you hunt around enough you may even find a little gem like a 5D for decently cheap money . stick a 50/1.8 on it and enjoy
getting a P&S even an earlyish G series just because it does RAW is pretty much folly . most all of them have tiny sensors that are old tech so image quality in anything other than great light isn't good . no amount of RAW processing is going to get you round that . and when shot in good light those old P&S's took good JPEGS (for those days standards) you never really needed the RAW file anyway
Nature & animals but more than anything I just want raw support to experiment with color management, not interested in high quality top notch cameras but they are always welcomed if i can afford them.
This looks like a reasonable kit, Canon T5 18-55 and 75-300. If that is still a little more than you were looking to spend, look for a used camera... but beware anything cheaper on the used market is likely going to be old, and I know a lot of the older cameras don't have RAW support anymore. For example, my 1D Mark II N isn't fully supported with some Adobe products, or Canon's newer versions of DPP.
All Canon DSLRs from the D30 onwards have RAW support. I still "develop" RAW files from my 2003 EOS 10D. The camera is long gone but modern software is a lot better than back in the day (as is my processing skill).
I bought a Rebel SL1 with kit lens last summer for $279 from Canon Direct. It was a refurb with only a few dozen shutter cycles and takes darn tootin' images.
Gochugogi wrote:
All Canon DSLRs from the D30 onwards have RAW support. I still "develop" RAW files from my 2003 EOS 10D. The camera is long gone but modern software is a lot better than back in the day (as is my processing skill).
I bought a Rebel SL1 with kit lens last summer for $279 from Canon Direct. It was a refurb with only a few dozen shutter cycles and takes darn tootin' images.
Yes, many DSLR cameras to chose from and one can pick up a used Canon DSLR from the previous generation for around $100 or $150 with kit zoom. Add $125 or so for a used/refurb 55-250STM and you have a cheap kit to start dabbling in nature/animals photography.
However, when subjects are usually far away (as often with nature/animals) and best possible IQ is not necessary, it might be better to buy a compact like the Powershot SX50 (with native RAW support). A DSLR gets expensive when you need long focal length with decent IQ.
NewRochelle wrote:
Do you guys know any particular sites that list them or which models do have raw support? I don't havem uch money left to spend on high quality cameras for the moment i just want to get started before i make a decision into investing tons of times into digital photography.
amazon doesn't help , too expensive even the used ones do not help.
The cheapest good dslr I would recommend would either be the T2i/550D or the 40D, both of which are lovely cameras, have RAW (as all Canon dslr's do) and are very cheap now.
dhphoto wrote:
The cheapest good dslr I would recommend would either be the T2i/550D or the 40D, both of which are lovely cameras, have RAW (as all Canon dslr's do) and are very cheap now.
I have some truly superb photos taken with my first DLSR, a 20D. One recently won best of show in a photo competition. I agree that a 40D would do much of what a causal user would need. Doesn't fit into a pocket however.
OntheRez wrote:
I have some truly superb photos taken with my first DLSR, a 20D. One recently won best of show in a photo competition. I agree that a 40D would do much of what a causal user would need. Doesn't fit into a pocket however.
Was being pocketable a requirement? If so neither will a 20D, I had one and loved it but it's so easily bested by the T2i and 40D that I don't think it makes much sense IMHO
Look at keh.com. They even have a warranty. A 30D cost me $139 a few years ago. Still good cameras. I got a lot of good stuff on a Rebel XT, rather have a 30D, though.
I actually preferred the 30D to the 40D in some ways. 20D should be good, but I haven't used it much. I think they might have been under $100 last I checked?
Watch the batteries, and try to get a charger. Wouldn't hurt to check Craigslist, I suppose.
dhphoto wrote:
Was being pocketable a requirement? If so neither will a 20D, I had one and loved it but it's so easily bested by the T2i and 40D that I don't think it makes much sense IMHO
I'm not sure on size as the OP didn't specify. Others have suggested P&S camera, so was just observing. I'm sure the 40D is much better than the 20D and if the T2i is significantly newer then it would obviously have a better sensor and other features. OP did note "he didn't have much money." (I think we all feel that way at times so I was suggesting as cheap as I could think of. No clue what the cost of a T2i is so can't comment.
One thought on the T series. I've only used one a time or two, but was frustrated at how poorly controls were laid out for manual shooting. OP wants RAW files. From what I know, you can't get the best of a RAW file without some manual control. I don't think green dot allows for RAW, but again haven't really checked.
so I was suggesting as cheap as I could think of. No clue what the cost of a T2i is so can't comment.