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Bespoked wrote:
Honestly, imo, if you love a bunch of Canon lenses, stick to a Canon body, they just work so much better.
Same with Nikon, Leica also.

I personally (not a Sony fanboy) find Sony to be smashing CaNikon with lenses as well as bodies except for one or two lenses in particular, the Canon 1.4/35 and the Nikkor 1.4/105 are two examples that come to mind.

The Metabones adaptors are expensive and you lose AF performance as well as some IQ (some lenses more than others), the MC-11 has no foot for heavy lenses (most Sigmas are big and heavy) and there's some
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I have grown to really love Sony bodies. I'm used to the menus, I know where the buttons are, and I can snap away without ever taking my eye away from the viewfinder. Even with the AF limitations, I have more autofocus options using adapted Canon lenses than my particular Canon bodies. I still like my Canon bodies, but I'm grabbing the Sony bodies most of the time now.

I've had practically no reliability or dependability issues. And I think the Canon lenses are better. I'm very happy with my setup. I completely understand if others prefer native only.



Jun 21, 2017 at 10:19 PM
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The Metabones adaptors are expensive and you lose AF performance as well as some IQ (some lenses more than others), the MC-11 has no foot for heavy lenses (most Sigmas are big and heavy) and there's some IQ loss there also.

The use of both adaptors are unreliable in comparison to using the native manufacturers brand glass. It's annoying and unprofessional to adapt imo and we did it to transition when we were early adopters, but those times are gone and adapting is unnecessary now. IMHO.

It would be cool, but you have to agree adapting is undependable, results are unpredictable and
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I have no undependable results as I know my lenses well enough as to how they work with each adapter and my cameras. If a combination doesn't work so well, then I just don't use it but for the most part I am very happy.

I don't think of adapters as being unprofessional either though mine is amateur use, I would still use some if was making my money from photography.

I would bet not many people could tell if a lens was native or adapted and even fewer would care if the photos are what is wanted.

A lot is camera/adapter/lens model combination dependent too for both Sony and Canon.

I found that my Canon 7D AF was a lot less reliable with Canon lenses than my Sony was with the same lenses sometimes- the only thing favouring the Canon camera was AF speed but not accuracy and then there are other things too such as a wider AF point selection.

If stabilization mattered more to me I would upgrade to a second gen Sony camera and use my same lenses stabilized that I can not do with current Canon FF cameras.

Many wont like using adapted lenses but don't assume that applies to everyone.

There is not a single Canon camera (or camera from anyone else either) that I would rather use my 17mm Canon on than my A7s. Others may well prefer it on a higher resolution camera but for me, I can use it walk around at night without any difficulty at all. On a Canon camera, I would need it locked on a tripod for the most part.

Choice is good and adapting just gives me much more choice.

Yes, as I said I would take a native lens over an adapted lens in many cases but it really is a case by case thing.



Jun 21, 2017 at 10:34 PM
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Iirc I remember you as someone who loves Zeiss. I find the native Sony Zeiss lenses like 35 1.4 and 50 1.4 to be excellent. Why bother adapting? I dont like the ergonomics of using fslr lenses, too cumbersome and defeat the idea of mirrorless in the first place.



Yes. I love the Zeiss glass but sigma has some good offerings like the 135 which is my favorite fll



Jun 21, 2017 at 10:49 PM
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Bespoked wrote:
You are adapting one particular brand of product to another brand of product, to another brand of product.
None of the companies have any affiliation with each other, you're dealing with three different companies, they each have their own communication language that changes with firmware updates, the lenses are designed for different body types with different flange distances and you're hoping that all works well.

Happy shooting!


Not dismissing as trolling but not agreeing either.

I think what you are missing is that many people have tried various combinations and use the ones that work for THEM.

Sure there will be some issues no doubt but there will also be some issues with native lenses on various cameras too. The latest Nikon lenses on even some quite recent Nikon cameras for instance.

I like to experiment and if something doesn't work, once I have found that out then I will move to something else but if it works, then I will use it.

Many people use a Canon mount Sigma lens on a Canon camera for instance and they might use it on a 1.4x converter too (from various makers) how is that much different to using the same lens and convertor on a Sony?

Just because a lens and adapter and camera are not all made by the same company doesn't mean they will NOT work either and it isn't as if you are going to turn up to a shoot (job) and use a combination you have not tried or are not happy with? I know I wouldn't anyway.

It is no different to someone only using Canon gear (lens and camera) having a problem, it happens.

Then there are other things (the memory cards for instance) are not made by the camera companies, isn't that the same? What about filters?

Happy shooting to you too.



Jun 21, 2017 at 11:18 PM
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Well it seems like you're all happy, so go for it.
When you do have some of the documented issues that I've seen, don't complain, even if they stop you from shooting in the middle of a job becuase of some insignificant and mediocre increase in an obscure characteristic you prefer.

You are adapting one particular brand of product to another brand of product, to another brand of product.
None of the companies have any affiliation with each other, you're dealing with three different companies, they each have their own communication language that changes with firmware updates, the lenses are designed for different
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I think there's some validity on both sides of this. I thought I'd point out, though, that the reliability of EF-E adapters (metabones in particular) has, in my experience, improved greatly in the last couple of years. When I first picked up my a7r2 and metabones I was mounting and unmounting lenses and the adapter frequently as contact with the camera would be lost. In the fall of 2015 I did a shoot for a friend and indeed lost some shots as the camera hung up a couple times - a huge pain in the ass, and something I'd really hate to happen with a real client. Fortunately this rarely happens to me with my canon lenses anymore, I can only assume due to more stable firmware.

As far as my lenses - I'd love a native 12-24, 24-70, and 70-200 gm - if I had the money!



Jun 22, 2017 at 12:51 AM
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before dismissing my opinion as trolling, I'm honestly only here to help.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then, but still want to know why it's so difficult to understand that not everyone is you, and not everyone share's your same justifications to "just switch all your lenses over and be happy"? It's been clearly stated that some can't afford it, others are still using those lenses on Canon cameras (i.e. best of both worlds like myself) while still others (again like myself) prefer the performance of those Canon lenses on a Sony body.

All major primes are here, 28, 35, 50, 55, 85, 90 (and soon 135) in many flavours, they are all sweet and well priced, some (35 and especially 55) are excellent and superior to their DSLR counterparts.
This is why I fail to see any benefit clumsily adapting third party options from completely different systems.
Our Sony systems cost the same as our Nikon systems and are cheaper than Canon (Canon equivalent bodies and lenses are VERY expensive).

Canon's 40mm F2.8 currently sells for $179, where the Sony / Zeiss 35mm is $798. For a street photography lens, both are comparable in terms of focal length, maximum aperture, sharpness, weight, size, etc. The exception is adding the adapter makes the 40mm go from being slightly lighter & shorter to slightly longer and tripling in weight... still barely noticeable if I had to walk around all day with it attached to an A7R2.

The first time I had an opportunity to adapt the Canon 40mm, then compare it to the Zony 35mm, was yesterday afternoon. For a somewhat scientifically blinded control, I sat my wife down in front of the computer and asked her to pick the best images and randomly showed her Sony 35mm vs Canon 40mm pics without telling her what lens was being shown...where I alternated between unedited RAW and jpeg's in the comparison. I carefully controlled the light to ensure the situations were equal, threw the camera up to a steady shooting position, then rapidly fired. When an adapter failed to compete with the native lens in AF speed, I disqualified it from the test and declared it an automatic loser (i.e. Sigma MC-11)

Most of the time, my wife said they were both (Zony 35mm vs Canon 40mm + Metabones IV) equally good. A few times though, she did say there was something more inherently pleasing about the Canon 40mm. The only time she picked out the Zony 35mm was the low light photos, but I had to discard these results because it was obvious the 35mm wasn't metering properly. In other words, the Metabones + Canon 40mm appeared to generate a proper exposure at ISO 6400...where I intentionally selected Aperture Priority to determine if there would be any misc. differences between adapted & native lenses throughout the various f-stops.

I didn't have time to go back and re-shoot these low light pics over again in Manual mode. Even though the Zony 35mm was clearly underexposed at ISO 4000, it naturally displayed less noise in the image and may account for the preference for the 35mm. For anyone interested, I used both Metabones IV & Sigma MC-11 adapters, but had to abandon the Sigma b/c it struggled to focus quickly in low light....performed well otherwise. Further testing is needed for me to personally declare a winner, but suffice it to say, the Canon 40mm F2.8 appears to compete well with the Sony / Zeiss 35mm.

While there may be an exception or two where the Sony equivalent is cheaper than its Canon Counterpart, most all of the Canon lenses I'm using right now have Sony replacements coming in at around $600 higher-- as in the example I provided above.

the manufacturers options outperform any adapted alternative (on Sony bodies) and aren't significantly more expensive, sometimes cheaper.
Just switch all your lenses over and be happy

Wow, seriously? Again, when you make statements like these, it's hard to take you as someone trying to be helpful. For me to "just switch" would cost over $15K USD b/c this would mean first taking a beating on all my perfectly good Canon lenses over on the 'Buy & Sell' board, replacing them with a significantly more expensive Sony equivalent (that I don't yet trust), followed by incurring the wrath of my wife who shares those very same lenses and refuses to use anything but a Canon DSLR. Several years down the road, when the Sony prices drop a little and the track record has been established on the latest lenses- maybe.



Jun 22, 2017 at 12:25 PM
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Jorge -- Part of the difficulty in trying to compare Sony E lenses to Canon EF lenses on Sony bodies is that there is no equivalent lens in many cases, or not a Sony version that is as affordable as Canon-mount glass.

All my newer (late 90s, on) Canon EF lenses work very well with Sigma MC-11 on a7R and a7R2. The ones that have to be manually focused are 28-70/3.5-4.5, 28/2.8 original, 50/2.5 macro, 50-200/3.5-4.5L (AF at 50mm only), 135/2.8 SF and 15/2.8 FE. 17-35/2.8L is somewhat iffy, getting into hunt-and-peck AF, but it does eventually focus! All exif and aperture control are retained with even these lenses using the Sigma.

Canon brand lenses I'm completely in love with and use on Sony bodies (as well as Canon):

17/4 TSE
24/3.5 TSE II
15-85/3.5-5.6 IS (EF-S)
16-35/4L IS
24-105/4L IS
24-70/2.8L original
24/2.8 IS
35/2 IS
40/2.8 STM
45/2.8 TSE
50/1.2L
90/2.8 TSE
100/2.8L IS macro
28-300/3.5-5.6L IS
100-400/4.5-5.6L IS original

Most of these I either can't replace with other brands, or would find prohibitively expensive like the classic 24-70L or 100-400L.

Much better than trying to get Nikon AF lenses to work -- no affordable AF adapter.



Jun 22, 2017 at 04:05 PM
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1texasaggie wrote:
You pose a very logical question. While I certainly can't speak for everyone and perhaps I'm just stating the obvious that's been posted many times before, but here is a list of why I adapt:

1.) Like many camera owners, I already have an extensive EF lens collection;
2.) I'm stuck using Canon DSLRs for the foreseeable future, don't feel like maintaining 2- entirely separate sets of lenses and so far, have only invested in eight Sony native lenses that have no practical counterpart over in the Canon lens world;
3.) I haven't found adapting to be a bother....yet;
4.) Just using the example
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Yes I agree if you are still using your canon then adapting is more rational and even more so if you guys prefer L more pleasing. I know sony lenses are a premium over Canikon, maybe perhaps they now FF mirrorless is the future and theyre on their own, monopoly. But sony zeiss lenses is one of the big reason my switch to Sony, having AF on Zeiss lenses.

Previouly I owned a Nikon system but totally converted by now so adapting ex Nikon lenses didnt interest me more. However I never use big 24-70, 70-200 zooms so no problems with those big overspriced GM lenses!! Adapting makes more sense if your photography requires 2.8 zooms. Canon makes more sense pricewise.



Jun 22, 2017 at 05:43 PM
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The 2.8/40 doesn't compare to the 2.8/35FE in terms of IQ, that's like saying Nikon's 1.8/50D is one tenth the price (which it is) of Sony's 1.8/55. It's unfair to compare two different products at two different price points with two completely different performance outputs, the Zony 2.8/35 absolutely annihilates the 2.8/40.
Next you'll be comparing an F488 to an i30?

No question, coming from Nikon usually costs a little more, but Canon glass is exxy in comparison to Sony and Nikon.

So I don't buy the notion that my advice was flawed/invalid, I don't use one example, I use statistical proof to
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There are facts and there are facts.

I am not so sure the Sony 35 2.8 annihilates the Canon 40 2.8 STM.

Seems to me they are actually pretty close.

I love the little 40 2.8 STM and I use it on a very lightweight adapter on my A7s where it has very slow AF but is otherwise quite nice and also on myM43 GX7 where it has very fast AF and makes a nice portrait lens.

If I didn't have it I MIGHT have the Sony 35 but then I couldn't use that across systems and it is a lot more expensive without being all that much better.

As for other lenses, well there are plenty to choose from but those of us that adapt can use them all and pick and choose what WE want.

You have your reasons for not liking adapted lenses but equally plenty of others disagree.



Jun 22, 2017 at 08:49 PM
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Bespoked wrote:
The Zony 2.8/35 via 7R2 is, compared to the Canon 2.8/40 via 5DSR;

Faster (slightly),
Sharper (not significantly, but noticeably) even on a lower mp body, especially in the corners.
Better corrected for aberrations, especially in the corners
Contrast-ier,
Smaller and lighter on it's own and MUCH smaller and lighter on the body it's designed for of course.

Holding the two on their respective flagship bodies (resolution wise), it's night and day.
Admittedly it's one very rare instance of the Canon lens being cheaper. It's also not as wide and it's easier to design cheaper lenses that perform well as they get closer to 50mm.


Seems to be you are being selective in your facts.

Look at the two on DXO and don't just use those cameras but look at all sorts of combinations.

https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EF-40mm-F28-STM-on-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-versus-Sony-FE-Carl-Zeiss-Sonnar-T-STAR-35mm-F28-on-Sony-A7R__966_1106_1251_917



Seems to me they are quite close and the Canon may be a bit better across the frame with the Sony a bit better in the centre.

They score the same for sharpness for instance if used on a 5Div (30mp) and A7R (36mp) at DXO. The Canon lens has a bit less distortion too (both are very good).

Put them on a APSC camera- two I picked at random A6000 (24mp) and 70D (20mp) and again, the Sony lens scores a little higher but the sharpness is the same (though again the Canon has a lower res sensor).

So it depends on what you want but I don't see any annihilation (by either one though again, I can not use the Sony on my second system).

NO question the 35 2.8 seems a very nice lens and worth its price but I really think the 40 2.8 STM is one of the best value lenses available in any system.



Jun 22, 2017 at 09:43 PM
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Bespoked wrote:
The 2.8/40 doesn't compare to the 2.8/35FE in terms of IQ, that's like saying Nikon's 1.8/50D is one tenth the price (which it is) of Sony's 1.8/55. It's unfair to compare two different products at two different price points with two completely different performance outputs, the Zony 2.8/35 absolutely annihilates the 2.8/40.

This is ridiculously exaggerated. Have you even shot the 40 pancake? Even Ming Thein was impressed by its performance when he shot it with the 5DSR. I have shot (and have owned) a lot of high-end Canon glass and not one of those lenses "absolutely annihilates" the 40 pancake, not one. Not the 500/4 II, nor the TS-E 24 II, nor the 70-200/2.8 II, etc. Seriously.




Jun 22, 2017 at 09:51 PM
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scrappydog wrote:
This is ridiculously exaggerated. Have you even shot the 40 pancake? Even Ming Thein was impressed by its performance when he shot it with the 5DSR. I have shot (and have owned) a lot of high-end Canon glass and not one of those lenses "absolutely annihilates" the 40 pancake, not one. Not the 500/4 II, nor the TS-E 24 II, nor the 70-200/2.8 II, etc. Seriously.



I agree, the 40 pancake is a superb lens, however, I do like the 35 more since it's native. Dont like the price at all, but not much I can do about that. I wouldnt be surprised if the 40 outresolved the 35, but it's probably a wash between the two, both great lenses.



Jun 22, 2017 at 10:02 PM
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OK, let's not twist hard facts here, SOME Canon lenses are cheaper, but the decent ones (L) are usually, almost always more expensive than Sony's G or GM.

Here is a current price comparison of my top 3 "go-to" Canon lenses at B&H:
1. Canon 24-70(L) II F2.8 $1,699 vs Sony 24-70 GM F2.8 $2,198...Sony is $499 higher
2. Canon 70-200(L) II F2.8 $1,899 vs Sony 70-200 GM F2.8 $2,598...Sony is $699 higher
3. Canon 100-400(L) II $1,999 vs Sony 100-400 $2,498...Sony is $499 higher

Here are the cold hard facts: Sony is $1,697 higher on these three lenses that I find myself using most often...primarily the 70-200. I see you're in Australia, so maybe there's some sort of Sony sugar daddy down under that's cutting brother-in-law deals. I don't know. What I do know is I'm certainly feeling that kind of love here in the US.

it's pretty easy, you load your overpriced lenses, examples above, onto eBay and purchase new Sony's for about the same, sometimes less, sometimes slightly more than the Canon 'equivalents'.

If I buy or sell used camera equipment-- I either do so here on FM or trade it in at B&H...don't trust eBay for camera equipment. Even so, I frequently use eBay as a used price reference and it's not like this stuff is bringing significantly more money over on "the Bay".

I am not so sure the Sony 35 2.8 annihilates the Canon 40 2.8 STM.

Completely agree. While I need to do further testing, I was a little shocked how close these two lenses really were in terms of sharpness sitting on an A7R2.



Jun 22, 2017 at 10:28 PM
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Uhh, maybe pricing is different in the southern hemisphere, but looking at pricing of the typical 'zoom trinity' of 16-35 (f/4 in this case), 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 as currently listed at B&H: 16-35/4 Canon - $1000, Sony $1250; 24-70 Canon $1700, Sony $2200; 70-200 Canon $1900, Sony $2600. That's about a $1400 difference in favor of Canon. Yes, the Canon lenses are currently rebated, but one could argue that these nearly perpetual rebated price points are the normal prices. Here's another one popular with many: 100-400. Canon $2000, Sony $2500.

Edit, I see 1texasaggie beat me to the post button by a minute with similar thoughts.

I haven't used the Sony 70-200 but seem to recall it tested not quite as well as the Canon. The other lenses are probably very similar in optical quality (sharpness), though the GM 24-70 I tried on an a7RII was disappointing for landscapes, in respect to outer zone sharpness, at some focal lengths even when stopped down a ways.

The 85L dates back to 1989 whereas the Sony is a year or two old. I own the Canon and have used the Sony. Without doubt, the Sony is better corrected with respect to lack of CA 'bokeh fringing' in out of focus areas, but I would not classify the 85L as soft. Rather, not quite as sharp wide open. It improves a lot stopped down slightly. This change in character can be used to advantage if it benefits your needs, just as how the Canon 50/1.2L will produce very pleasing images at or near wide open even though it's not as sharp or snappy as the 55/1.8. It's kind of like why I would choose to use a 50/1.5 Sonnar from the 1950s for some kinds of images rather than the 50 Lux ASPH even though the Lux crushes the Sonnar designs on technical grounds. It will be interesting to see what Canon brings to the table with the 85L update rumored for this year. Considering what they did with the 35L II, it could be technically very impressive.

Really, one can cherry pick to make arguments in favor of either system but ultimately it boils down to personal needs and wants. For my requirements, the Sony system isn't mature enough in respect to overall performance and consistency for what I expect, nor is the native FE lens lineup currently able to cover everything I shoot. Therefore I would have to adapt at least some lenses. But then there are other tradeoffs, and given I'm not keen on those, will remain in the Canon camp.



Jun 22, 2017 at 10:29 PM
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I'll come at this in a different way. Personally I would not buy a Canon lens for life or limb myself. Except for the TSE glass. As at this point in time I have everything covered with Sony glass which I think is better be it is or is not, I won't debate it. I honestly don't care about Canon or Nikon to be honest. In the beginning I came from Nikon over to Sony and that was a bear to try to adapt so that transition was tough . If your a Canon shooter you have the better options with a Metabones and I can totally understand folks that have Canon glass already and making that transition over but still stuck with adapters. I have been down this road with adapters and you can say great things about that but end of day it really just sucks to work that way. But I do get the whole transition part so don't get me wrong. I owned a whole fleet of Canon glass some are great , few are very good and some suck just like any system so there is no holy grail here either. Sony and Nikon have there dogs as well. I'm leaving costs out of this because frankly it's a stupid argument. If you care about your work I mean really care than costs are costs end of story. Trust me this stuff is cheap go buy 4 Rodenstock lenses than we can talk costs. If you can add that close to 32 grand for 4 lenses. Been there have the gold t shirt. But more the point if you really care about your work your not counting pennies. You find a way to afford it. Really the bigger question if your making this transition is how long are you going to do this, secondly it will get really old really fast and thirdly at some point you will throw up your arms and go completely native because it just works better. So if your coming from Canon/ Nikon you need to ask your self those questions . Now I have done this our forum owner Fred does not have anything Canon anymore and Fred was a solid Canon shooter for many years. So you just take the two of use as a example we have transitioned completely to either AF native or some other third party lens like Zeiss or Leica. Folks it's going to happen if you been in Sony camp for awhile now. As new lenses come the more that need for others goes away. I have a fabulous kit now and really have for awhile now even though I have switched out often. I have still maintained the IQ and stayed relatively native along the way. No matter how many darts you keep throwing at those comparisons between Nikon/Canon/Sony glass at the end of the day it's going to be meaningless because you want a system that works the best together and that may take some of you time to realize and some may just stay all manual alternative as well. Obviously depends on what you shoot but if something does not act exactly like a native lens I lost interest. Just some thoughts


Jun 22, 2017 at 11:05 PM
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Well said Guy! Adapters gets tiring sooner or later. And I think theres more than sharpness to Zeiss lenses, which I admit not everyone will see and appreaciate.


Jun 23, 2017 at 12:18 AM
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Native AF-S on the A7RII is good for lots of things. Reportage isn't one. The hybrid AF doesn't work well for movements like someone throwing their head back laughing. With an adapted PDAF only lock I get the shot, it is faster than they are. With native AF it moves into focus and then, if the subject moves during the CDAF pulse finish, the image is no longer has best contrast and you either get an out of focus image by the time it has finished or it starts to hunt. AF-C isn't the option I'm looking for especially not with the stopped down tracking.
With this sort of subject the hit rate with 35LII is amazing, with FE55/1.8 it isn't good enough.
I noticed the A9 does a much faster CDAF pulse finish moving less in and out of focus, at least with the 24-70GM I tried it with, but it does still do it.
Until there is a native PDAF only AF-S mode I won't buy more Sony lenses.
Sigma chasing the native AF-S with the MC-11 and their own lenses makes them work poorly on their own adapter, they need to do what metabones does and have one simple mode that works like it does if a Canon lens is used on the MC-11.



Jun 23, 2017 at 01:56 AM
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People get to love what they have used for years and good, because you really ought to love your lenses. You do better work that way. But...partisanship rears its ugly head and clouds the judgment.

It's an easy case to make that Sony and partners Zeiss are now full steam ahead on their lens lines. Unlike so many Canon lenses, these are cutting edge optics in all respects: up-to-date coatings, glass formulations, fabrication accuracy, new machining approaches - things no one talks about, but they all add up. So now, even the regular Sony lenses are very high quality. It's like choosing an airline, and looking for ones with low average years of service on their aircraft. 'Canon Air' has so many older 'aircraft':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_lens_mount

Looks like they are now woke about their situation, several new lenses due this year:
https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/canon-ef-catalog

Users tend to regard the Canon lineup as 'complete' but it's just as true to say it's old. Many new lenses are warmed over versions of what came before, maybe with IS. You can't say that about the GM range. Sony obviously designed many mainstream lenses after Canon configurations, and in many cases did a better job. They will not relent, number two is 'first loser', and complacency is not their go. They won't sit on their behinds for years like Canon did.

As for Zeiss, they are absolutely doing it with Batis/Loxia, same quality as Milvus at half the weight; and - no lemons, and they get better with each passing quarter. The new manual focus lenses are a dream to set focus on.

So all bases appear to be nearing coverage and congrats to both of them. The AF adapter thing will always be an arms race. Sony will introduce new AF features and capabilities and the adapter makers will try to keep up, always riding up from behind, but never able to catch the train. The only users really well-served by adapters are A mount users; you can have trust in OEM adapters for squareness, manufacture precision and quality.



Jun 23, 2017 at 02:50 AM
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p.2 #19 · Adapted vs Native. Any real tests out there


I still shoot many of my landscapes with my Canon mount lenses including a set of Zeiss ze lenses, and a 70-200 f4 and 300 f4 and am in no hurry to replace them as they still deliver on my A7R just like they delivered on my Canon cameras. Replacing those lenses with Sony lenses will cost me at least $2,500 if not more and I really doubt I'll get better print. Constantly chasing the best pixel peeped lens is not my game as I feel there will be very little if any difference once the print is hanging on the wall which is my game.

So for me, I really doubt I'd be in the Sony system if it was not so easy to adapt my existing Canon mount lenses...one of the big pluses of the Sony system.



Jun 23, 2017 at 06:23 AM
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p.2 #20 · Adapted vs Native. Any real tests out there


I am with Chez. I'm not sure I would have switched to Sony bodies if I couldn't adapt some of my Canon lenses. It made the transition more cost effective. The ability to adapt lenses to Sony is a great benefit of the system imo. For example, I have a very small travel kit that includes the 35ZM, 85ZM, and VC15. All are awesome, small, and deliver great IQ. I couldn't go that small and light with adapted Canon lenses (nor would I get the microcontrast of the Zeiss lenses). If I were a pro, I would go native to minimize risk of failure of the additional component to the imaging path (the adapter), but as an amateur, it's nice to have so many options, including the ever-expanding native lineup.


Jun 23, 2017 at 06:47 AM
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