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Archive 2017 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0

  
 
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p.4 #1 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


JimKasson wrote:
Got it now. I don't think the way to evaluate images for this problem is to look at JPEGs, where the DCT may be doing some of the things the hot-pixel suppression algorithm does. Better to look at raw planes in TIFF form, IMO.

Jim




Yes, I agree with your opinion. I don't have an A7r II (just an A7 II) to replicate the tests of Ari... I need to evaluate if the A7 II is also affected by this, although for the moment I'm still in firmware 3.20. I need to find some time after work.




Jun 15, 2017 at 03:55 PM
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p.4 #2 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Please sign the petition to get Sony to fix this http://www.change.org/p/sony-remove-the-star-eater-on-sony-a7s-r-mk-i-ii-and-a9-cameras


Jul 31, 2017 at 12:16 PM
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p.4 #3 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Pinhole1 wrote:
Please sign the petition to get Sony to fix this http://www.change.org/p/sony-remove-the-star-eater-on-sony-a7s-r-mk-i-ii-and-a9-cameras


Yup - done!



Jul 31, 2017 at 06:13 PM
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p.4 #4 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Done.


Aug 01, 2017 at 09:41 AM
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p.4 #5 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


My A7R II has FW Ver 3.1 Should I never upgrade that to avoid star eater? Or are there more useful items that make it worth upgrading despite star eater?

Like 100-400 GM profiles or 12-24 anti decentering (I wish) setting?



Sep 24, 2017 at 06:45 AM
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p.4 #6 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


I bought the 100-400, and did not upgrade my A7Rii (and won't, until the issue is fixed).

Kim



Sep 24, 2017 at 07:42 AM
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p.4 #7 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Wasn't it already shown that v3.1 on the A7RII already has the star eater?


Sep 24, 2017 at 08:51 AM
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p.4 #8 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


nampramos wrote:
Wasn't it already shown that v3.1 on the A7RII already has the star eater?


The first post in the thread, and what I find on the internet, indicates that it was 3.3 on A7RII. But it might have existed in Bulb mode before that.




Sep 24, 2017 at 10:39 AM
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p.4 #9 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


I just picked up my A7R II... already had newest firmware. Anyway to back-date?




Sep 24, 2017 at 05:24 PM
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p.4 #10 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


My understanding is it was introduced in the same firmware as uncompressed raw, which was all the way back at like 2.0
Chris



Sep 24, 2017 at 05:33 PM
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p.4 #11 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


It would be good to have a definitive answer as to when star eater started. The OP said 3.3. But if it started at 2, then I should go ahead and update.

Anyone know with certainty and accuracy?



Sep 24, 2017 at 08:06 PM
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p.4 #12 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


billsnature wrote:
It would be good to have a definitive answer as to when star eater started. The OP said 3.3. But if it started at 2, then I should go ahead and update.

Anyone know with certainty and accuracy?


If you go to Jim Kasson's site (here) you will find a conclusive demonstration that what had only been applied on bulb exposures up until 3.2 become unavoidable on all exposures longer than 3.2 seconds with v. 3.3 of the firmware, and has been ever since, including in V. 4.0.

-John



Sep 24, 2017 at 11:53 PM
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p.4 #13 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


billsnature wrote:
It would be good to have a definitive answer as to when star eater started. The OP said 3.3. But if it started at 2, then I should go ahead and update.

Anyone know with certainty and accuracy?


My own testing indicates that the "star eater" spatial filtering that kicks in when the exposure time is 4 seconds or longer is present in firmware revision 2.0:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1488852/4#14044763


navmannz wrote:
If you go to Jim Kasson's site (here) you will find a conclusive demonstration that what had only been applied on bulb exposures up until 3.2 become unavoidable on all exposures longer than 3.2 seconds with v. 3.3 of the firmware, and has been ever since, including in V. 4.0.


Hmmm... I definitely seem to be getting the effect and I'm relatively sure I'm still on FW 2.0 (unless I updated the camera and forgot about it, which seems unlikely given how much of an ordeal FW updates on Sonys are). I'll double check the FW tonight, and send Jim some dark frames to analyse!

It's possible that they cranked the NR up even further in 3.3...



Sep 25, 2017 at 07:14 AM
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p.4 #14 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Mine's at 3.1 and is definitely not eating stars. Sometimes I wish it was a little when doing star trails :-)


Sep 25, 2017 at 08:26 AM
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p.4 #15 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


Signed


Sep 25, 2017 at 08:39 AM
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p.4 #16 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


There's another rumour posted today, ranked SR3, at sonyalpharumors that Sony will soon fix this with a major firmware update.


Sep 25, 2017 at 09:28 AM
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p.4 #17 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


bjornthun wrote:
There's another rumour posted today, ranked SR3, at sonyalpharumors that Sony will soon fix this with a major firmware update.


This would be great if true....
Chris



Sep 25, 2017 at 10:44 AM
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p.4 #18 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-sony-will-soon-launch-major-firmware-update-fix-star-eater-issue/


Sep 25, 2017 at 11:05 AM
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p.4 #19 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


I will believe it when I see it. Sony way too often ignores its customers.

Ryan



Sep 25, 2017 at 11:36 AM
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p.4 #20 · Sony's star-eater algorithm not fixed by f/w 4.0


lostinjapan wrote:
I will believe it when I see it. Sony way too often ignores its customers.

Ryan


yep and It seems they may just update the a9 and other cameras going forward... plus the rumor is "second hand."

Chris



Sep 25, 2017 at 11:40 AM
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