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p.4 #1 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


for those who had the G1 and now the G2, how do they compare?


Jun 07, 2017 at 01:01 PM
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p.4 #2 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


snapsy wrote:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/04/mtf-lens-tests-of-the-new-tamron-70-200-f2-8-sp-di-vc-usd-g2/


It is interesting.

But there is a factor which is crucially important and which must be considered seriously.

Is a lens that costs around half the price of the genuine camera producer's version equally resistant against wear and impacts? What happens if the lens is subject to falls and hard bumps?

Bogatyr



Jun 08, 2017 at 04:16 AM
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p.4 #3 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2




Why doesn't everyone drive a Mercedes Benz or Bugatti?

Silly question...


Actually, mine is a valid point, whereas yours is a silly comparison.

You're trying to compare a price differential of over $1,500,000 dollars in an "average car" vs. a Bugatti ... with less than a $1500 price difference between a ho-hum Tamron and a Nikkor 70-200 FL ED

Talk about a shameless exaggeration



Jun 08, 2017 at 09:40 PM
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p.4 #4 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


Lol, this is such a ridiculous comparison, I have to put it in perspective.

Most people do not make $1.5 Million in 10 years ... whereas even menial labor can make $1,500 in less than a month. (And many make $1,500 in less than a week.)

Spending an extra $1500 is nothing ... it maybe involves saving "another month" to get the best 70-200 lens on the planet.

Whereas the average consumer will never be able to save up $1,500,000 in their entire life.

Just to put into perspective how ridiculous your comparison is



Jun 08, 2017 at 09:45 PM
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p.4 #5 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2




JohnK007 wrote:
Spending an extra $1500 is nothing ... it maybe involves saving "another month" to get the best 70-200 lens on the planet.


This is very​ ignorant and presumptive. If spending $1500 is "nothing" to you, then congratulations, but please stop assuming that makes it true for everyone else.



Jun 08, 2017 at 10:30 PM
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p.4 #6 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


If the person is only going after a 70-200 and they can afford it, great. If you have $2800 to spend, the Tamron at $1300 leaves you with $1500 to invest in additional gear. I'm willing to bet that most who are buying the Tamron aren't able to save an additional $1500 in month, or even several months to buy the Nikon. $1500 is a mortgage payment, not something most have to throw around. Is the Nikon better? Probably in most regards. Is is more than 2x better? No way! It sounds like there's a group of Nikon version Tamrons out there with firmware issues, but once that's fixed, the lens is the steal of the year.


Jun 08, 2017 at 11:06 PM
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p.4 #7 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


darthalal wrote:
This is very​ ignorant and presumptive. If spending $1500 is "nothing" to you, then congratulations, but please stop assuming that makes it true for everyone else.


It's ignorant of me to say spending $1500 is "nothing" compared to $1,500,000?

No, it's ignorant of the individual I was addressing to make such a ridiculous comparison.

Anyone with a job can make $1500/month. Middle-class folks make $1500/week (or more). By contrast, a person would have to make $150,000/year and yet (not even factoring taxes, and not spending a dime) it would take them 10 years to save $1.5Mil.

By contrast, all a person has to do is work an extra week, maybe an extra two months (depending on their expenses), to upgrade and be able to own the 70-200 FL ED.

It is very reasonable to suggest a person wait an extra week, to two months, saving a nominal amount ... in order to be able to own the best ... as opposed to suggesting they "wait and save" $150,000/yr, for ten years, so they could "upgrade" from a Chevy to a Bugatti

Please stop trying to control what I say ... if the truth hurts you to read.

Thanks.



Jun 09, 2017 at 09:36 AM
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p.4 #8 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


JohnK007 wrote:
It's ignorant of me to say spending $1500 is "nothing" compared to $1,500,000?

No, it's ignorant of the individual I was addressing to make such a ridiculous comparison.

Anyone with a job can make $1500/month. Middle-class folks make $1500/week (or more). By contrast, a person would have to make $150,000/year and yet (not even factoring taxes, and not spending a dime) it would take them 10 years to save $1.5Mil.

By contrast, all a person has to do is work an extra week, maybe an extra two months (depending on their expenses), to upgrade and be able to own the 70-200 FL ED.

It
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Are you saying you should buy the best lens no matter the price? What if that lens isn't a Nikon?

Ted



Jun 09, 2017 at 10:03 AM
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p.4 #9 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


ted1000 wrote:
Are you saying you should buy the best lens no matter the price? What if that lens isn't a Nikon?

Ted


No, that's your unscrupulous spin on what I said.




Jun 09, 2017 at 10:10 AM
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JohnK007 wrote:
It's ignorant of me to say spending $1500 is "nothing" compared to $1,500,000?

No, it's ignorant of the individual I was addressing to make such a ridiculous comparison.

Anyone with a job can make $1500/month. Middle-class folks make $1500/week (or more). By contrast, a person would have to make $150,000/year and yet (not even factoring taxes, and not spending a dime) it would take them 10 years to save $1.5Mil.

By contrast, all a person has to do is work an extra week, maybe an extra two months (depending on their expenses), to upgrade and be able to own the 70-200 FL ED.

It
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Well..is getting off topics but in case you aren't aware, I hope most people visiting the FM message board have a full time job with a stable salary. This means that you earn the same regardless if you work 40 hours or 60 hours. Is not like if you decide to bring more work home and working OT you would get paid more. Hehehehehhe... Is all nonsense really to say that a full time staff should work more hours because he or she would earn more...Nah...... Now, if he or she decides to get a second job...that's another story. Again, if you are already busting your ass working in your hourly exempted full time job with a stable salary, you won't have times to get a second job to buy your precious Nikon 70-200 f2.8e or whatever. That person can save money buy spending less on other things. Or selling other gear.



Jun 09, 2017 at 11:30 AM
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p.4 #11 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


$1500 can be a lot of money used for other things, hell, you can easily vacation with that and get some real use out of that 70-200. Or you can buy another lens or two. Fact of the matter is for some/a lot of people, $1500 is a lot of money to spend on very minor differences.


Jun 09, 2017 at 01:57 PM
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p.4 #12 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


TooManyShots wrote:
Well..is getting off topics but in case you aren't aware, I hope most people visiting the FM message board have a full time job with a stable salary. This means that you earn the same regardless if you work 40 hours or 60 hours. Is not like if you decide to bring more work home and working OT you would get paid more. Hehehehehhe... Is all nonsense really to say that a full time staff should work more hours because he or she would earn more...Nah...... Now, if he or she decides to get a second job...that's another
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You're missing the point (two, really).

1) I happen to work from my home, and I also don't operate off a 'salary' but, rather, billable hours. I can work 140 hrs/month, if I want to be lazy, or I can put in 220+ if I feel like it. [I pretty much work day and night. E.g., I billed 230 hrs last month and still took a week off.]

2) For those salaried employees, the question is this: from whatever portion of your salary you can "save" to buy the Tamron 70-200 ... you can opt to "save a little longer" and get the Nikkor instead. The difference is "right now" mentality vs. "long-term" mentality.

As to the other question, the last guy posted, no, this does NOT only include Nikkor lenses. I could have bought the Nikkor 105mm Micro for $900, or the Nikkor 200mm Micro for $1800. Or I could have bought the Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/100 for $1900.

Instead, I chose to spend a little more and buy the 20-year old, vintage Voigtländer 125mm f/2.5 APO-Lanthar Macro, for $2,500, which is better than all of them. Cost a little more, yes, but is better than all of them, also.

Now, had the Voigtländer been $10,000, I wouldn't have done it, but (to me) saving for a week or two longer ... to be 100% happy with my purchase ... was worth the extra time, patience, and money required to get what I *really* wanted ... as opposed to a cheap pretender (or even an expensive "second place." As I quoted earlier:

  1. "The bitterness of 'poor quality' remains long after the sweetness of 'low price' is forgotten."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin

If a Nikon owner wants to rush right out, the moment they have $1,200, and buy the Tamron ... knowing they have the "cheapo" ... they can be my guest. Different strokes.

However, my point is, if they save a little longer, and hit the "Buy Button" on the Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR ... a couple of weeks/months later ... they will spend the next several years 100% content that they (literally) purchased the best zoom in that class money can buy.

It's a good feeling.



Jun 09, 2017 at 02:05 PM
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p.4 #13 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


JohnK007 wrote:
... they will spend the next several years 100% content that they (literally) purchased the best zoom in that class money can buy.

It's a good feeling.


But they won't. The lens will be updated in a few years, and now you have 2nd best again. If you are just concerned with bragging rights and test charts then by all mean spend the extra money. If you are on a budget and more concerned with photography, then the extra money for minor quality improvements could be better used elsewhere.



Jun 09, 2017 at 03:24 PM
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p.4 #14 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


JohnK007 wrote:
You're missing the point (two, really).

1) I happen to work from my home, and I also don't operate off a 'salary' but, rather, billable hours. I can work 140 hrs/month, if I want to be lazy, or I can put in 220+ if I feel like it. [I pretty much work day and night. E.g., I billed 230 hrs last month and still took a week off.]

2) For those salaried employees, the question is this: from whatever portion of your salary you can "save" to buy the Tamron 70-200 ... you can opt to "save a little longer" and get
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I am sure most would respect your choice to save up longer to own what you feel to be the best product. Perhaps you could extend the same consideration to others who are seeking the best value? (And recognize that for some, $1500 is a lot of money.)

There is no right or wrong way to approach gear acquisition, just the way that best meets each individual's needs and wants.



Jun 09, 2017 at 04:08 PM
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p.4 #15 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


BenV wrote:
But they won't. The lens will be updated in a few years, and now you have 2nd best again. If you are just concerned with bragging rights and test charts then by all mean spend the extra money. If you are on a budget and more concerned with photography, then the extra money for minor quality improvements could be better used elsewhere.


Shssshh...maybe he didn't know that...hehehehehe



Jun 09, 2017 at 06:04 PM
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p.4 #16 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


garyvot wrote:
Perhaps you could extend the same consideration to others who are seeking the best value? (And recognize that for some, $1500 is a lot of money.)

There is no right or wrong way to approach gear acquisition, just the way that best meets each individual's needs and wants.


Good rebuttal. I agree.



Jun 09, 2017 at 08:12 PM
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p.4 #17 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


BenV wrote:
If you are just concerned with bragging rights and test charts then by all mean spend the extra money.


It's not that.

I know my D810 is no longer "the best" DSLR.

However, it was so good when it came out ... that it still competes with the best. I do not covet anything else.

By contrast, years ago, right after I bought the Canon 7D, virtually every camera out after it ... out-performed the 7D ... and by a significant margin. And I could see the difference.

Point being, when you buy cheap ... you're outdated on the spot ... and severely outdated over time.
By contrast, if you buy the best, you're still competitive for quite awhile.

Also, lenses don't improve as fast as cameras ... and every Nikkor FL ED out-performs every other lens in its class ... every one.

No one is going to surpass Nikon's best telephoto lenses anytime soon. Sony's best 70-200 just came out ... and is a distant second to Nikon's ... to say nothing of Tamron's?

Anyway, enough is enough, so do carry on ...



Jun 09, 2017 at 08:16 PM
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p.4 #18 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


Is there a good AF comparison for the Tamron vs Nikkors?

The Tamron G1 is 1110 here
The G2 is 1575
the Nikkor VR2 is 2060
and the Nikkor E is 2400 (they even have an additional 180USD cashback offer plus 3 years warranty in one store)
(prices converted to USD)

Given Rogers tests and my budget, I'll prolly get the Tamron G2, but since I use it for sports, I'd like to be sure that the AF speed can keep up with the Nikkor.

with the 500USD difference to the Nikkor VR2, I will buy a Tamron 35/1.8 VC USD



Jun 10, 2017 at 05:06 AM
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p.4 #19 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


You're probably better off renting and comparing to the VR2.

While the Tammy G2 may be empirically better, tracking is one of those things that is usually better with native glass, so it's probably worth it to ensure that you'll be getting the performance you need- out of focus shots from sharp lenses aren't sharp .



Jun 10, 2017 at 07:59 AM
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p.4 #20 · Roger tests the Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2


mbphoto_2.8 wrote:
Is there a good AF comparison for the Tamron vs Nikkors?

The Tamron G1 is 1110 here
The G2 is 1575
the Nikkor VR2 is 2060
and the Nikkor E is 2400 (they even have an additional 180USD cashback offer plus 3 years warranty in one store)
(prices converted to USD)

Given Rogers tests and my budget, I'll prolly get the Tamron G2, but since I use it for sports, I'd like to be sure that the AF speed can keep up with the Nikkor.

with the 500USD difference to the Nikkor VR2, I will buy a Tamron 35/1.8 VC USD


What sports? I shot with a Tamron 70-300 vc in bike racing for about a season. It does the job well. So, their higher end telephoto lens USD AF is generally better. I just came back with a bike race and shot with the version 1 the first time...while trying to nail down the AF tuning issue. Is fine. Obviously, you want to get a g2 without any AF issues to begin with. Then, the USD AF should behave accordingly.



Jun 10, 2017 at 08:25 AM
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