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** NOTE: This was written while using Lens Firmware Version 01. I have since updated to Version 02 per the recommendation of @bjornthun and the AF speed is markedly improved and remains just as accurate. **

I recently got back to a Sony full frame camera with the A7II and originally planned to just go the 35/90 route, which is my preferred two-lens setup, but figured it'd be nice to have a fast 50 in there as well so I picked up the Sony 50mm f/1.8 FE lens over the weekend (thanks Amazon Prime Saturday Delivery!) and spent a little time with it over the last couple of days.

Overall, I'm fairly impressed with the lens, although I have yet to really shoot anything of merit with the lens. My initial thoughts are outlined below:

  1. The lens is nicely made. Better than the Canon counterpart by far. The focus ring feels tighter, materials feel nice and the metal mount inspires a little confidence that the second version of Canon's 50/1.8 couldn't quite deliver (although the STM version remedies this and is a little closer in build quality to this lens).

  2. Image quality is VERY good. It lacks a little of the pop and pizazz of it's older, more expensive sibling (the 55/1.8 FE), but it comes in at, what, 80% less money? Wide open, mine is a little soft but not unusable at all. At f/2.0, it's awesome.

  3. Focus is faster than a lot of reviewers make it out to be and the sound of it seems more "breathy" than I expected given the terrible reviews this lens has gotten in terms of the AF noise. In anything but the quietest environment, this lens will never be heard by anyone other than you. In my opinion the AF beep, AF assist light and/or shutter sound are far more offensive than the sound of this lens. And if you're a video shooter, you're likely shooting in MF anyway, or will buy lenses more suitable to video (like the 55/1.8, etc.) that offer silent AF.

  4. NOTE: After updating the lens firmware to VER 02, AF speed increased significantly, especially in low light testing indoors under normal incandescent lighting (40-60W).

  5. The minimum focus distance could be a little shorter, but it's not abysmal and with the huge sensor output we're getting nowadays, you could likely do some light cropping to frame up the way you want and be fine. The 50/2.8 Macro fits the macro niche in this FL, but having a 50 that gets in a little tighter is nice for food and little details and what not.

  6. The front element extends slightly, but does not rotate. I'd prefer it didn't extend at all, but it's not a deal-breaker. Rotating is more annoying than extending for a lens, in my opinion.

  7. Did I mention the IQ is awesome? Because it is. Definitely up there with any of the other Sony offerings, especially with a little bump of Clarity in Lightroom (sample images to follow soon, I promise).

  8. The lens hood is a nice bonus (you listening, Canon?) and fits extremely well, complimenting both the lens and the camera. it doesn't feel cheap at all in my opinion and doesn't appear to pick up wear marks as easily as some others.

  9. Even though this lens is focus-by-wire, it provides a nice manual focus experience, in my opinion. It's not as nice as the 90/2.8 FE, but it doesn't claim to have a great Manual Focus system.

  10. The 49mm filter diameter is nice as it's similar to other Sony lenses (they really like the 49mm filter thread size) which makes your other filters relevant and means that dedicated filters aren't totally expensive. And, given that it's so small, your larger filters can be adapted via step-up rings. Bonus!

  11. While the focus felt faster than I expected, it's no speed demon and is definitely a lot slower than some other Sony lenses. Sony doesn't claim fast AF is a trait of this lens so I'm not too disappointed, but I'd have gladly paid a little extra for fast, silent, internal AF. That being said, the AF feels very... deliberate in that while it isn't particularly fast, it is very accurate and very precise. It feels like it's doing what it's supposed to be doing rather than just lagging like some lenses would. *See my notes above RE: Lens Firmware VER 02.

  12. The price feels a little high to me given the limitations of the AF. But I think the IQ helps this pill go down a little easier. If Sony could have priced this exact lens at $179 delivered, I'd think it was a stellar bargain. At the current price of $200 (October 31, 2016), it's a good value, but doesn't seem to be on-par with Canon and Nikon's similar offerings, which is disappointing. At full retail of $250, it's still not a bank-breaker, but becomes less compelling. Unfortunately (or fortunately), there's not really anything between this lens and the $1000/$600 (new/used) Sony Zeiss 55/1.8 FE. I'd like to have seen Sony give us a 50/1.4 FE lens with fast, silent, internal AF at the $399 or $449 price point rather than this lens which feels slightly crippled at $249.

All that to say that this lens is a good value at $199, but not as much at $249. The AF, while a little slow is accurate and more than adequate for all but the busiest of subjects. Image quality is excellent, especially stopped down a tiny bit. It's built extremely well, is light weight and very small and balances perfectly on an A7II as a general walk-around lens. My preference still goes to the 35/2.8 Zeiss as a walkaround but that's mostly because I like the faster focusing, silent AF, slightly smaller build and I prefer the 35mm FL as a general purpose lens.

But for isolating your subject a little more, this little 50 doesn't disappoint and if you can get by with the limitations of it, it really makes for a compelling argument against the more expensive 55/1.8. I'll say that I have owned the 55/1.8 twice and it might be the finest lens I've ever owned, but I don't miss it as much as I thought I would especially since I was able to buy a used 35/2.8 Zeiss and this lens brand new for the money I got from selling that 55. So take all that for what it's worth and I promise to have some photos up for you guys ASAP!

Best,
Matthew


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Oct 31, 2016 at 02:59 PM
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I should also mention that I plan to make this sort of a rolling review of sorts and will try and post here as I discover other things about the lens I like/dislike as well as images of the lens in action. Feel free to contribute your own images or thoughts as well.


Oct 31, 2016 at 03:39 PM
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Have you updated the lens firmware to version 02? I found that to improve the focus speed.


Oct 31, 2016 at 04:03 PM
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bjornthun wrote:
Have you updated the lens firmware to version 02? I found that to improve the focus speed.


A significant improvement in the quick testing I've done indoors under incandescent lighting. Thanks for the recommendation! I didn't realize they had updated the firmware for the lens already. I'm currently running the latest firmware for both the camera and the lens and it's a definite improvement.



Oct 31, 2016 at 07:48 PM
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For me the lens is love-hate.

Optically, it's excellent. I think it's actually very much overlooked optically. But it is clinical at times-- super central resolution.

Size/weight wise, it's literally perfect.

AF is a mixed bag (A7rII). With V2 firmware it is much faster and more assured. In good light, at wide apertures, it's quick even. But as you stop down, the light goes down, and you subjects get less contrasty-- AF turns slow-to-miss.

It's so close. If only it had a the FE28mm AF module, I'd happily pay double the price.



Nov 01, 2016 at 06:17 AM
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justruss wrote:
For me the lens is love-hate.

Optically, it's excellent. I think it's actually very much overlooked optically. But it is clinical at times-- super central resolution.

Size/weight wise, it's literally perfect.

AF is a mixed bag (A7rII). With V2 firmware it is much faster and more assured. In good light, at wide apertures, it's quick even. But as you stop down, the light goes down, and you subjects get less contrasty-- AF turns slow-to-miss.

It's so close. If only it had a the FE28mm AF module, I'd happily pay double the price.


My thoughts exactly Russ. Especially in regards to the pricing/AF module.



Nov 01, 2016 at 07:46 AM
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How is this considered as a landscape lens? I previously used an (Canon) adapted Zeiss 1.4/50 before but am now switching over to native FE mount. AF is not a concern since I'm used to manually focusing anyway, I'm mostly concerned about edge-to-edge sharpness over anything. Any use of AF would just be for landscape (tripod/remote) and I wouldn't shoot anything that moves. Good candidate?


Nov 01, 2016 at 09:34 AM
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rparchen wrote:
How is this considered as a landscape lens? I previously used an (Canon) adapted Zeiss 1.4/50 before but am now switching over to native FE mount. AF is not a concern since I'm used to manually focusing anyway, I'm mostly concerned about edge-to-edge sharpness over anything. Any use of AF would just be for landscape (tripod/remote) and I wouldn't shoot anything that moves. Good candidate?


I'm not a landscape shooter personally so I can't say, but at f/8 this lens tends to appear very sharp (at least for my needs). I don't know how it performs out to the edges, though. I would be more than happy to try and get you some images at landscape apertures (f/5.6, f/8 and f/11) so you can see what it looks like across the frame at longer distances if you think that might help you out.




Nov 01, 2016 at 10:27 AM
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matthewm wrote:
I'm not a landscape shooter personally so I can't say, but at f/8 this lens tends to appear very sharp (at least for my needs). I don't know how it performs out to the edges, though. I would be more than happy to try and get you some images at landscape apertures (f/5.6, f/8 and f/11) so you can see what it looks like across the frame at longer distances if you think that might help you out.



That would be much appreciated! Normally you can just shoot something that has a clear view of the horizon (to eliminate any DoF issues) and the center *should* match the edges in terms of sharpness, or at least close to it. 50mm isn't a focal length that gets a ton of use for me but hopefully this lens will be a decent contender without spending a ton of cash.



Nov 01, 2016 at 10:34 AM
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matthewm wrote:
My thoughts exactly Russ. Especially in regards to the pricing/AF module.

The 28/2 FE is internal focus, so only one or two elements are moved to focus the lens, whereas the 50/1.8 FE is unit focusing. That is, the entire optical assembly is moved back and forth to focus the 50/1.8 FE. This is why the 50/1.8 FE never can be a fast focusing lens. The optical formula would have to be changed. The Zony 55/1.8 FE has an optical formula that alows fast focusing, but is 3.5x the price of the 50/1.8 FE.



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bjornthun wrote:
The 28/2 FE is internal focus, so only one or two elements are moved to focus the lens, wheras the 50/1.8 FE is unit focusing. That is, the entire optical assembly is moved back and forth to focus the 50/1.8 FE.



Wonder why they didn't use the internal mech. of the 28 on the 50...



Nov 01, 2016 at 01:52 PM
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matthewm wrote:
Wonder why they didn't use the internal mech. of the 28 on the 50...

I added more to my answer, above while you were typing, sorry.

In short I think it may require a very different optical formula, probably something very different from the so called double Gauss of the 50/1.8 FE. Maybe a more economical non-Zeiss version of the Zony 55/1.8 would be possible.




Nov 01, 2016 at 01:59 PM
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bjornthun wrote:
I added more to my answer, above while you were typing, sorry.

In short I think it may require a very different optical formula, probably something very different from the so called double Gauss of the 50/1.8 FE. Maybe a more economical non-Zeiss version of the Zony 55/1.8 would be possible.



Makes total sense. Thanks for all of your info! Definitely helpful.



Nov 01, 2016 at 02:00 PM
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I dont agree that the lens is only centrally sharp, midzone is pretty good wide open (rule of thirds compositions), unlike the canon equivalent.

it's also very good for landscapes, as it gives good and even sharpness edge to edge. It doesnt have the uber contrast of the zeiss, but sharpness is fairly close upon peeping, kind of hard to tell. It does have the zeiss beat when it comes to starbursts, the zeiss makes a huge blob, where the FE has a star formation.

I generally like the FE 50 over the zeiss for a few reasons
1. starbursts, clear winner.
2. true 50mm, not 55..... if you've shot this FL for a while, you'll notice the extra 5mm, and it can be annoying.
3. it feels lighter?

essentially I owned the 55 as my first sony lens for as long as I've shot the system, and only recently got rid of it. The extra 5mm annoyed me and the starbursts annoyed me. Whatever advantage stopped down was minor at best, so I let it go. I tend to shoot a lot of people(event photography, slower than 55 AF doesnt bother me) and landscapes, so my priorities may differ.



Nov 01, 2016 at 04:04 PM
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Charlie N wrote:
I dont agree that the lens is only centrally sharp, midzone is pretty good wide open (rule of thirds compositions), unlike the canon equivalent.

it's also very good for landscapes, as it gives good and even sharpness edge to edge. It doesnt have the uber contrast of the zeiss, but sharpness is fairly close upon peeping, kind of hard to tell. It does have the zeiss beat when it comes to starbursts, the zeiss makes a huge blob, where the FE has a star formation.

I generally like the FE 50 over the zeiss for a few reasons
1. starbursts, clear winner.
2.
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It is lighter with 200 grams compared to 281 grams for the Zony 55/1.8.

I also find that the focus by wire is better tuned on the 50/1.8 FE, actually I find it quite precise.



Nov 01, 2016 at 05:17 PM
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matthewm wrote:
A significant improvement in the quick testing I've done indoors under incandescent lighting. Thanks for the recommendation! I didn't realize they had updated the firmware for the lens already. I'm currently running the latest firmware for both the camera and the lens and it's a definite improvement.


Has anyone tried it on an A7? Is the af better or even acceptable with the new lens firmware?

Gerry



Nov 06, 2016 at 04:35 AM
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Charlie N wrote:
I dont agree that the lens is only centrally sharp, midzone is pretty good wide open (rule of thirds compositions), unlike the canon equivalent.

Lensrentals shows pretty much the same sharpness at r= 7mm for both of them.

Charlie N wrote:
it's also very good for landscapes, as it gives good and even sharpness edge to edge.[/url]

Stopped down to f/8 it is very sharp across the frame. As is about every 50mm lens released in the last 40 years. At wider apertures it doesn't come near to the FE 55 when you look outside of the center. Even many much more affordable legacy lenses outperform it here.

r=10mm
fe50_2 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

Untitled-1 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

An also in the center it is solid but not spectacular.
fe50 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

I agree that this performance is good enough for most applications but I disagree when people say that it plays in the same league as the FE55. It doesn't. You can move you subject off center with the FE55 and never worry about sharpness. With the FE50 you need to be careful with off center compositions. You also need to worry about flare, with the FE55 you don't. And while the FE50's bokeh is good for a 50mm it doesn't come close to the FE55.

Charlie N wrote:
It doesnt have the uber contrast of the zeiss, but sharpness is fairly close upon peeping, kind of hard to tell. It does have the zeiss beat when it comes to starbursts, the zeiss makes a huge blob, where the FE has a star formation.

Actually contrast is the biggest strength of the Sony in my eyes. It doesn't quite reach the Zeiss but it outperforms any other affordable 50mm in this aspect.




Nov 06, 2016 at 10:13 AM
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Phillip Reeve wrote:
Lensrentals shows pretty much the same sharpness at r= 7mm for both of them.

Stopped down to f/8 it is very sharp across the frame. As is about every 50mm lens released in the last 40 years. At wider apertures it doesn't come near to the FE 55 when you look outside of the center. Even many much more affordable legacy lenses outperform it here.

r=10mm
https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5609/30514387550_05e8e415ab_b.jpgfe50_2 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5546/30514381860_d4433d650e_b.jpgUntitled-1 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

An also in the center it is solid but not spectacular.
https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5678/30778978186_ba220aff7c_b.jpgfe50 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

I agree that this performance is good enough
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The extreme corners smear, I'll give you that, but you place a subject in the thirds (or anywhere away from the last 10-15% of frame), the FE 50 performs well. Neither 55 or 50 have issues with bokeh, compared to the older 50's like the FD 50 f1.4 like you present. I do have landscapes @ F5.6 from the 50 that are much sharper than the F4 you posted, so maybe that's when things improve? If you look at photozone's numbers, the FE 50 has more uniform sharpness and slightly better edges stopped, but probably nobody complains about that, and IMO small issues like the 50's extreme edges issue wide open.

Flare is well controlled, and I think due to the flare issues, it gives a much more pleasing sun star, and general character.

BTW, I dont think anyone is saying the FE 50 is even in the same league as the 55, just reasons, why it's preferable. The unconventional FL and poor starburts, trade for not great wide open performance across the frame, and slower AF.



Nov 06, 2016 at 07:55 PM
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I'd agree, having owned both the FE55 and the FE50, that the 55 is the better of the two overall, especially when pixel peeping at very close distances and when comparing micro-contrast and extreme edges. But one has to decide if they want to spend an extra $500 or so when buying their "normal" prime lens.

You can get the FE28 and FE50 brand new for less than you can get the FE55 used and you'd still have money left over for a decent date.

You are right, though, that the 55 is "technically" better, but it should be given the cost difference. I think my continued impression of the FE50 is that it's better than it should be and the $200 price tag is more than justifiable, in my opinion.



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