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Background

I have been using Sony A7-series camera when the A7r became available almost 3 years ago. There are a lot features I like about the system but AF is definitely not one of them. Especially, when it comes down to using Canon lenses, which works fine for landscape, travel photography and people photography as long they don’t move around too fast, but that’s about it. However, due to its IQ, I started using my Sony gear more and more and my Canon gear less and less. At the same time, I started feeling that the weight of wildlife photography gear started to take a toll on this old body. Slowly but surely, I started selling my Canon lenses and migrated almost fully to Sony. Wildlife and sport photography are the two fields that Sony has neglected so far. Although I started killing the idea of doing wildlife photography using the mirrorless system but I still kept two longish Canon lenses, the 400mm f/2.8 Mark II is one of them and the other is even a shorter one a 300mm f/2.8 Mark II.

The introduction of 399 PDAF points in the A7r II brings about a huge improvement in the AF department. Shortly after that, Metabones updates the FW of its adapter allowing PDAF to be used on Canon lens and even more recently with the latest FW, allowing almost native AF features. I started playing with the two longish lenses leftover from my Canon days and to my pleasant surprise the AF results are more than decent. And the IQ coming from those lenses is just superb. Based on the new development, I dabbled back into doing some wildlife photography again.

At the beginning of the year, a group of shooting buddies and myself, made a plan to go to Costa Rica. I bought a (new to me) Canon 400mm DO II lens for that trip with the intention of selling the faster f/2.8 lens. I practiced and practiced locally at various birding spots and at the zoo until I felt comfortable. I was totally convinced that the smaller lens would be perfect for me first. Although that lens is quite a bit smaller and lighter but at f/4, the aperture did not feel quite adequate since I anticipated that the lighting conditions in CR would be more restricted than, let's say here in Southern California. Plus, the actual reach of a 400mm may not be adequate, necessitating the use of an extender, further cutting the light necessary to make the AF effective. So, two days before the actual trip, I decided to take the bigger lens. I was willing to put up with the weight and bulk for a faster aperture. And I didn't regret that move. The AF algorithm of the lens seems to jive very well with the algorithm of Metabones. The longish focal length is not conducive for fast AF but the fast aperture of f/2.8 helped the case and apparently made more than up for that.

Costa Rica

Lenses Canon 400mm f/2.8 Mark II, Canon 1.4X TC Mark III, FE 90mm f/2.8 Macro, FE 70-300mm, FE 24-70mm GM. Bodies: 2X A7r II, A6300 and just to be on the safe side, my (now sold) Canon 7D Mark II. Accessories: Mitros+ flash, Better Beamer, and Gitzo tripod. I am limiting my experience to using the long Canon lens with or without TC with Metabones.

- Camera setting: Aperture priority (mostly wide open or one-stop down), auto ISO (with selectable minimum shutter speed depending on circumstances) and AF mode set to continuous. I used the back button to trigger the AF.

- Adapter: I used both modes of Metabones IV interchangeably. When I anticipated some kind of movement for tracking of the object, I used the green default mode. Although it is great for tracking moving targets and the AF is really fast but the AF point may not necessarily fall on the area you want to be in focus since it prefers focusing on areas closer to you within the selected AF area. The advance mode, combines phase-detect and contrast-detect AF, enabling the lens to act more like a native FE lens and I used that mode for pinpointing smallish targets and I preferred this mode for its accuracy.

- Camera support: Tripod is used 100% of the time. On the boat ride along the Sarapiqui river, the tripod was used more as monopod.

- Fill-in flash: Just a tiny fill-in flash would do wonder to your images. The flash effect should not be readily noticeable. Even -1-stop is too much for my taste. I prefer -2-stop but the Sony flash compensation system is not consistent and not responsive to adjusting the flash output to my liking. So, I just used the manual mode to 1/128 power or something like that. Yes, the HSS is important and my flash was set to that. Flash was not allowed to be used at the quetzal habitat in the mountains of the last image. The first 4 images received a tiny dose of fill-in flash.

- Method of shooting: No trick to take perching birds, semi stationary lizard, etc. For flying or better said, hovering hummingbirds on the other hand, the trick was to pre-focus at the prominent flower stalk or stalks. They are plenty colorful hummingbirds there and they need to feed on nectar provided by flowers. You just wait and be ready when they approach those flowers. Depending on the orientation of the flowers, line yourself up with the same direction what you anticipate they will approach the flowers. I did one of the three steps to get them in perfect focus. 1) I focused using AF on the head of the hummingbird. Depending on the size of the target and the placement, it worked OK but I experienced more than just a few times that it tried to rack the focusing mechanism again and I missed the chance of getting the peak moment. 2) I focused manually (back by a smidgen). And the rate of success was quite good and 3) the “spray and pray” method without re-focusing after the initial pre-focus result. About half-way of the trip, after I found out that I had plenty of images of well-focused hummers, I started using this method the most. By making sure that your position will give you the best chance of capturing well-focused hummers, you just take sequence shots until your buffer is full. Did I get out-of-focus images on this trip? Oh, yes, tons of them but the number of keepers and more importantly, I was able to capture peak moments of quite a bit of hummers.

In summary:
The notion that a mirror less system would not be "good" enough for wildlife is being challenged, at least partly. It depends on the type of wildlife, I would say and it is perfectly suitable for perching or hovering birds in Costa Rica, like on this trip. I resorted to a native FE lens for BIF purposes. For macro or close up shots, I used my native macro lens and mostly I focused that lens manually. Knowing what your gear can do, push the ability of your gear to the limit, but adjust to the changing condition is the key. That adapted lens focused swiftly and in 90% of the time it did what I hoped it to do. As I mentioned earlier some place here, I would take this lens in combo with my mirrorless system to locations, such as CR, Panama or Ecuador or some place similar for wildlife but I would not take it to Africa on safari or use it for strictly BIF purposes.

Thank you for reading this long post and please feel free to ask any questions.

Joshua



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The entire frame - I ended up cropping it and the 42MP shows its muscle



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Oct 01, 2016 at 12:31 PM
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A review or opinion with images to back it up. How refreshing.

Your hummingbird images never cease to amaze. :-)



Oct 01, 2016 at 01:38 PM
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Hats off! Two last photos are my favorite. Clone off that loose branch in the second last one and it is about perfect. Last one is almost psychedelic and reminds me of my favorite goa-trance album by Khetzal - Corolle.


Oct 01, 2016 at 02:35 PM
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The AF on the a6300/a99ii is faster than the A7RII - next generation AF is really going to be something.


Oct 01, 2016 at 02:51 PM
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Thank you, Harry, MJKoski, Parariss for your feedback! Thank you also to other for their "likes".

@ Parariss - I had the A6300 with me, too and used it but the sensor of the A7r II is truly remarkable. Not only for the sheer megapixel count but also for its high ISO quality. Although not addressed/mentioned here but there were cases where I needed ISO 6300 or even ISO 12800 and the 42MP sensor delivered without a whim, which the A6300 struggled a bit. In addition, the controlling factor here is the AF capability of the Metabones and the lens. The improved AF capability of the A6300 over that of the A7r II is minor and too bad the improvement couldn't be materialized since I didn't use a native FE lens as my main lens.



Oct 01, 2016 at 03:24 PM
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Excellent pictures and great write-up, Joshua. I'd think those pictures are more of a testament to the exceptional skills of the man behind the camera than the gear, though.

But since this is a gear forum, let's talk gear . It seems that the Metabones adapters have come a long way with the newest firmware updates. I know you didn't really do any BIF in Costa Rica. However, I was wondering whether you thought that tracking larger birds with the a7rii and a big white (400 2.8 in your case) would yield usable results? Sony's a-mount 500G might work better (?), but the price and the inability to use the Sony 1.4 TC makes it less desirable.



Oct 01, 2016 at 07:48 PM
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thank you for sharing. Truly admiring. As an A7rII owner, I have never thought this before.


Oct 01, 2016 at 08:12 PM
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Chris_88 wrote:
Excellent pictures and great write-up, Joshua. I'd think those pictures are more of a testament to the exceptional skills of the man behind the camera than the gear, though.

But since this is a gear forum, let's talk gear . It seems that the Metabones adapters have come a long way with the newest firmware updates. I know you didn't really do any BIF in Costa Rica. However, I was wondering whether you thought that tracking larger birds with the a7rii and a big white (400 2.8 in your case) would yield usable results? Sony's a-mount 500G might work better (?),
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Thank you very much, Chris! I didn't do any BIF in CR but I did more locally of some burrowing owls but that was during the time when, for whatever reasons, my Metabones got stuck in the advance mode. The default mode is better for tracking. I reloaded the FW again and it did clear the problem. From my experience but I do not have any real-life images to support it..... yet, it should be able to track larger birds alright. I will try to do it again and I will let you know after that.


Mark K wrote:
thank you for sharing. Truly admiring. As an A7rII owner, I have never thought this before.


Thank you, Mark K



Oct 01, 2016 at 09:08 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Thank you very much, Chris! I didn't do any BIF in CR but I did more locally of some burrowing owls but that was during the time when, for whatever reasons, my Metabones got stuck in the advance mode. The default mode is better for tracking. I reloaded the FW again and it did clear the problem. From my experience but I do not have any real-life images to support it..... yet, it should be able to track larger birds alright. I will try to do it again and I will let you know after that.


Thanks, Joshua. Looking forward to your results. I'm still thinking about adding a long, big lens to my line-up, since I've come to realize that f5.6 is just too dark for lightning at dusk or before sunrise.



Oct 01, 2016 at 09:30 PM
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Awesome shots and review Joshua The last shot looks like a painting that should be hung up on a wall !


Oct 01, 2016 at 09:48 PM
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Joshua,
Truly amazing work here. While I agree the Sony Alpha system AF capabilities and the Metabones adapter have improved many fold since just a short time ago, your photographic abilities are the main difference in making these images shine. Nice write up and beautiful examples of what can be done with the current state of the Sony mirrorless technologies. These images would be make any fast DSLR owner proud. Thanks for sharing.
Chuck



Oct 01, 2016 at 10:14 PM
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amazing photos. how do you position your AF spot with metabones?


Oct 01, 2016 at 10:25 PM
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Joshua...
Excellent write up. Kudos to you for bring the Big White. I for one am glad, as I benefit from getting to see your results
Your images are superb, bar none, and my wife absolutely loves your hummingbird grabs. But she thought the image of the reptile was phenomenal!!



Oct 01, 2016 at 11:34 PM
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Lovely shots, and I agree that the A7r2 can do perched birds and maybe even hovering birds. But I was foolish enough to bring the A7r2 as my only camera on a recent holiday to Mallorca, Spain. And to my surprise, the place was crowded with magnificent birds, buzzards, red kites and kestrels sailed above our pool and had long looks at the chickens running around on the neighbourhood property. But in the end I had to resort to manual focus as the AF-C with the EF 100-400 II via the MB IV adapter just didn't cut it. I got lucky with a couple of shots, but my hit rate was approaching zero and I'm still kicking myself for leaving the 5DSR at home!

http://eyvindness.zenfolio.com/selva2016/h7703c0d7#h7703c0d7

http://eyvindness.zenfolio.com/selva2016/h7c82ccb7#h7c17ad69

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Oct 02, 2016 at 03:40 AM
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Joshua, these are just amazing! Thanks for taking your time to write this up to share with us. Hope Sony will hurry up with an E mount 70-400.

BTW, the last one really looks like a fine oriental painting.

Douglas

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Great review, Joshua, I appreciate the time you took to post it. Those wonderful images (the last one is truly breath-taking) proved not as much the ability of the Sony A7RII as camera, as your skills for being truly outstanding photographer, who is able to create images, some, if not most of us, could only dream of...Keep it up!


Oct 02, 2016 at 06:38 AM
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Charles, Chuck, Chris, Gregg, Eyevind, Douglas and Calboy87, thank for your responses and flattering words.

MJKoski, Charles and Douglas, I am really counting my blessing with the last image. It was having breakfast early in the morning. You see the tiny fruits with red stems? Those are its favorite fruits. It snatched the fruits on the fly, landed on the branch, ate the fruit and spited out the rest. The quetzal stayed on the branch only for just a few seconds. Its position was perfect and the branches did not intersect any part of the bird. It moved to different branches and it was out of sight shortly after that shot. Literally from start to finish, the show didn't last long, maybe 5-10 minutes or so. I woke up at 3:30AM to get to the place by 6:00 to just to take pictures of the quetzal. This is a male and there was a female there as well but the male is way more colorful.

@ Chris Cheng - I used the default mode of the Metabones quite a bit and then most of the time I used the wide mode of the AF area. When I felt I needed to narrow it down somewhat and be more selective, then I used the selectable AF point "medium" and put it to the head area of the bird. Towards the end of the trip I used more the advance mode of Metabones and put the AF area at the head. It seemed the advance mode is more accurate than the selectable AF area of the default mode. But keep in mind that for a lot of hummingbird images, I focused on the flower stalk and waited for the hummingbird to get into focus. You have to anticipate the direction of the hummer's approach, which is 100% of the time it was the opening of the flower and you need to align yourself for that to get the maximum depth of field and you increase your chance of getting more images in focus.



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Eyvind Ness wrote:
Lovely shots, and I agree that the A7r2 can do perched birds and maybe even hovering birds. But I was foolish enough to bring the A7r2 as my only camera on a recent holiday to Mallorca, Spain. And to my surprise, the place was crowded with magnificent birds, buzzards, red kites and kestrels sailed above our pool and had long looks at the chickens running around on the neighbourhood property. But in the end I had to resort to manual focus as the AF-C with the EF 100-400 II via the MB IV adapter just didn't cut it. I
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Eyevind, thank you! For whatever reasons the AF performance of the Canon 100-400mm Mark II lens on the Sony A7r II via Metabones is not so good. For sure it has to do with it being a zoom lens, the focal length at the long end and the slowish aperture but there could be other and less obvious parameters, too. That's the main reason for me not to go for it. I took my FE 70-300mm and that lens performed pretty well on that trip, even for BIF shots.

For wildlife, I cannot recommend you to use short FL lens, of course, but if feasible, try your A7r II + Metabones with a faster and prime lens. I almost guarantee you that the AF performance would be better than that with your 100-400mm Mark II. Again, in my experience, the default mode and wide AF area did result in almost instantaneous or at least, swift AF performance, taking advantage of the 399 PDAF points.

Hope that it helps!



Oct 02, 2016 at 09:01 AM
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It may not have the length your after but the Canon 200 2.8 with a MB IV is pretty darn fast. Crop mode might be good as well. Just a thought


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AGeoJO wrote:
Eyevind, thank you! For whatever reasons the AF performance of the Canon 100-400mm Mark II lens on the Sony A7r II via Metabones is not so good. For sure it has to do with it being a zoom lens, the focal length at the long end and the slowish aperture but there could be other and less obvious parameters, too. That's the main reason for me not to go for it. I took my FE 70-300mm and that lens performed pretty well on that trip, even for BIF shots.

For wildlife, I cannot recommend you to use short FL lens, of
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I had the same experience with my 100-400 II. However...I just picked up an old Canon 300mm 2.8 non-is that works great with the Metabones & A7R2, even with TC's. Looks a little silly but the results are good!



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