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Archive 2017 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)

  
 
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Maybe we should start a new topic with 35mm format lenses covering Medium Format 44x33.

Three new lenses on the "promising" list after preliminary test:

CV APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL. Good coverage with very little vignetting.

CV APO-Lanthar 180mm f/4 SL. Good coverage with very little vignetting.

SMC Pentax F* 300 mm f/4.5. Coverage with vignetting in the extreme corner.


The Zeiss Planar 50/1.4 ZF.2 covers with little vignetting, but suffers from corner smearing.



Mar 10, 2017 at 01:52 PM
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alundeb wrote:
Yes, the MTF charts makes the CY 35 1.4 a no-go candidate. Actually the prospects for corner sharpness are slim for all classical Distagons, both the CY and ZF/ZF line. ...


OTOH, MTF curves for the Contax PC-Distagon 35/2.8 CY look a bit better...

The first image below compares Zeiss MTF curves for the PC-Distagon (top) and the CZ 35/2 ZE (bottom), with the curves for the PC-Distagon truncated at the 22mm FF corner radius.

The second image below shows the full MTF curve for the PC-Distagon, with vertical lines drawn at the 22mm radius (grey line), and at the 27.4mm radius (red line). The 22mm radius corresponds to both the FF corner and GFX 50S edge, and the 27.4mm radius is at the GFX 50S corner.

I plan to compare the PC-Distagon and 35/2 ZE on FF, hopefully starting next week.





Zeiss MTF Curves: [top] Contax PC-Distagon 35/2.8 CY, [bottom] Zeiss Distagon 35/2.8 ZE







Zeiss MTF Curves: Contax PC-Distagon 35/2.8 CY




Mar 10, 2017 at 04:30 PM
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I'll also shoot some GFX-equivalent stitches (using an A7, which is close to the same pixel pitch) with the C/Y PC-Distagon and post them for the group. I did some the other day (comparing two samples of this lens) out to 61mm image circle diameter but I did it with a +/- 10mm horizontal shift, so those images are wide pianos and not in the GFX aspect ratio. They pretty much match the published MTF curves.

I think this will be a solid lens on the GFX and there is a C/Y adapter already.

Michael

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OTOH, MTF curves for the Contax PC-Distagon 35/2.8 CY look a bit better...

The first image below compares Zeiss MTF curves for the PC-Distagon (top) and the CZ 35/2 ZE (bottom), with the curves for the PC-Distagon truncated at the 22mm FF corner radius.

The second image below shows the full MTF curve for the PC-Distagon, with vertical lines drawn at the 22mm radius (grey line), and at the 27.4mm radius (red line). The 22mm radius corresponds to both the FF corner and GFX 50S edge, and the 27.4mm radius is at the GFX 50S corner.

I plan to compare the
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Mar 10, 2017 at 04:41 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
OTOH, MTF curves for the Contax PC-Distagon 35/2.8 CY look a bit better...

The first image below compares Zeiss MTF curves for the PC-Distagon (top) and the CZ 35/2 ZE (bottom), with the curves for the PC-Distagon truncated at the 22mm FF corner radius.

The second image below shows the full MTF curve for the PC-Distagon, with vertical lines drawn at the 22mm radius (grey line), and at the 27.4mm radius (red line). The 22mm radius corresponds to both the FF corner and GFX 50S edge, and the 27.4mm radius is at the GFX 50S corner.

I plan to compare the
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Very nice analysis Jim. Also keep in mind that if you crop the GFX to 3 X 2 (as you often might like to do for at least some landscape images) you only need to extend to 26.4mm, and if you crop to 16 X 9 (as some people, although not me much, would like to do) then you only need to extend to 25.2mm.



Mar 10, 2017 at 04:43 PM
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mdemeyer wrote:
I'll also shoot some GFX-equivalent stitches (using an A7, which is close to the same pixel pitch) with the C/Y PC-Distagon and post them for the group.

Michael



Thanks



Mar 10, 2017 at 04:44 PM
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I saw some sample shots posted on DP Review and I wasn't super blown away by them. I thought they had too much contrast and the night shots showed a healthy amount of purple fringing around light sources. All of the shots were taken with the 63/2.8.

I think this is just one of those situations where I'll need to rent the GFX and the X1D and try them out for myself before I draw any conclusions. That said, I really hope the Leica M to GFX adapter is out soon. I want to see what the GFX is like with the APO 50 and 90.



Mar 10, 2017 at 05:50 PM
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is anyone know any vendor in the US has GFX 50S in stock yet?


Mar 10, 2017 at 07:18 PM
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In Australia the GFX 50s is still about 2 to 3 weeks away


Mar 10, 2017 at 08:40 PM
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charles.K wrote:
In Australia the GFX 50s is still about 2 to 3 weeks away


darn it...hope that i don't buy some stupid thing before they arrive.



Mar 10, 2017 at 09:10 PM
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I just handled one sans battery. It's pretty sweet, about the in hand size as my a99. I am eagerly awaiting feedback on how well it works with adapted lenses.

I want to know how well touch to magnify works, can you magnify outside the center. Can you get sharp people at 3/4 body distances without magnification with practice. What's the shot delay compared to something like the a7r (kinda a working max for me).

I hope someone comes up with a hack like capturefix so I can use it with capture one, but at this point I'll probably be willing to use raw therapee with this camera.

I'm already saying my goodbyes to the 645z.



Mar 10, 2017 at 10:22 PM
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Bubble wrote:
is anyone know any vendor in the US has GFX 50S in stock yet?


I got the tilt/swivel EVF adapter and an extra battery. Midwest photo in Columbus, OH will have a demo in their store tomorrow, so i think they are in the US, but I am still waiting for mine. I ordered at B & H.



Mar 11, 2017 at 01:48 AM
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I'll give them a call tomorrow. I need to focus this time. No more wondering around.


Mar 11, 2017 at 01:55 AM
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Ok.... So after using the GFX today (my dealers are trying to get me to buy one!) I decided not to buy one on the spot.

First let me start by saying that it's better than I thought it would be. I heard from a friend who has one overseas on assignment that the AF is a let-down. I was worried when I tried it, BUT it was fine. It was a good day with lots of light, and it focused faster than I thought it would being medium format. And can do typical street shooting well enough. It acts like a X-T2 in most ways, and the menus are pretty easy to navigate. One annoyance is the lack of switches the X-T2 has. I wonder why they didn't just make it a big X-T2. Ergonomically the X-T2 is as easy as it gets. Speed wise it sits between the X-T1 and X-T2.

The 120 macro actually focuses the fastest if your subject doesn't vary to much in distance. Especially if you flick the limiter switch on the lens. It can limit itself to only macro, everything and everything but macro. The macros out of this lens are pretty amazing. Really the colours aren't quite as good as the 120S lens, but the bokeh and focus transition in macro mode is AWESOME. The lens also seems to focus closer (something I haven't looked up, but seems true). The lens is great for portraits too, but the rendering is less special at headshot-portrait and half body distances.. The 120S really beats it there. And the colour/vibrancy/pop/rendering of the 120S are more to my liking.. But a lot of this is sensor dependant and also getting use to a lens.

The zoom is quite the jewel for versatility and size. Not big and heavy, well not compared to the Leica S lens, or even other 35mm zooms. Though the range isn't exactly there. I can't comment on corner sharpness, I don't care about these things. But I can say that I would use this as a walk around street lens no problem. IF you needed one lens for vacation and you favoured landscapes to people/candids the zoom is perfect for the job. I'd bring this lens with me on any vacation over any other lens currently available for the system. I mean with 3-4 lenses, it's not hard to imagine that. Though I guess what I mean is, I'd take this zoom over three primes. When normally when I travel, I only take primes and pretty much hate zooms.

The 63 is ok. A bit underwhelming for a standard walk around lens. Really can't compete with f/1.4 lenses from 35mm. Sharp yes, nice bokeh yes.. But veiling flair that reduces contrast w/hood is annoying. Focus is ok, but again just nothing special. I much prefer the macro for anything I could have used the 63mm for. And I think I would much much prefer the 110/2. Simply because of the better working distance and aperture. I also much prefer the 50SL and 50APO. Also not to be a Leica snob I find the 50FEZA to be more to my liking too. I guess not apple to apples but still.

Overall I must say that Fuji REALLY knows how to make a medium format lens. These are all in all great lenses in the limited amount of time I used the system.

Would I buy one and adapt lenses? Nope, no point. I did it with my S lenses on the SL, and Contact645 lenses on the S-006 and S-007. I just don't care for it. I'd sooner use the great Fuji lenses, and wait a bit for even better ones to come!

Am I getting one? No and for a few reasons. One, I prefer the A7sII + 35ZA/50ZA/85GM to anything Fuji currently has available. Does the Fuji sensor beat the A7rII that I also own. Yes, colours are good and clarity of file is closer to that of the M240 w/more resolution (and if you know me, you know I like the M240 sensor before they tweaked it for the M262). BUT ergonomically and overall look of rendering I'd still pick the A7sII and A7rII plus lenses. At a similar price point too you have both bodies.
Also keep in mind that I have a SL + all the SL lenses. Including the 50SL which I have issues with, but head to head against the 63mm I'd take the 50SL any day of the week. Even though the size weight is heavier/bigger than the GFX system.
I also have an M-D and 50APO. And I still prefer the 50APO to any other lens I've used. I would sooner buy an M10 and put up with RF focusing, which isn't a problem for me. BUT I do know others can't/won't want to go that route.

BTW, the GFX is way bigger than I thought. I guess it's because I've used the X1D so much now that the GFX just seems huge. It's not heavy, but just big in the hand. Nothing slick about it. The X1D is a dream to hold, the GFX isn't. BUT the GFX is GREAT to use, the X1D is horrid. But it does have that medium format look. Not that film medium format look, but that digital medium format look. It's a good system and I wish Fuji well, but not it's not for me.

Will I buy an X1D now that I've used the Fuji? No, but for different reasons. One the X1D needs major firmware work. Hopefully DJI rebuilds the firmware from the ground up. And hopefully it's not the hardware that's limiting the X1D. Second, I actually don't like the X1D lenses. Fuji's lenses are more interesting by far. IF the X1D had better firmware and a fast (f/2) standard lens that renders in a way I like, I'd actually consider buying it. I do like the look/ergonomics better. But again, I think I'd sooner just pick up another M10 (even though I'm not even going to do that).


Here's to hoping the next A7 series camera, or FE camera has what I'm looking for. Because I foresee that being the only purchase I make this 2017-2018.



Mar 12, 2017 at 10:38 AM
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adamdewilde wrote:
Ok.... So after using the GFX today (my dealers are trying to get me to buy one!) I decided not to buy one on the spot.

First let me start by saying that it's better than I thought it would be. I heard from a friend who has one overseas on assignment that the AF is a let-down. I was worried when I tried it, BUT it was fine. It was a good day with lots of light, and it focused faster than I thought it would being medium format. And can do typical street shooting well enough. It acts like
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Thanks Adam. As always I appreciate your thoughts. I could have seen it yesterday as my home town shop had one to demo, but alas I had to be out of town. Maybe they will still have it when I get back tomorrow. I do hope to get mine soon as well. I still can't find where I can buy the M adapter, but when I do I will be sure to let you know if/how the 50 cron AA works with the camera.



Mar 12, 2017 at 10:54 AM
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Precision Camera in Austin, TX called yesterday. One with my name on it. I think they had more. Worth trying.


Mar 12, 2017 at 12:49 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
Thanks Adam. As always I appreciate your thoughts. I could have seen it yesterday as my home town shop had one to demo, but alas I had to be out of town. Maybe they will still have it when I get back tomorrow. I do hope to get mine soon as well. I still can't find where I can buy the M adapter, but when I do I will be sure to let you know if/how the 50 cron AA works with the camera.


Yes, adaptability is a big curiosity!!
I think the biggest negative for me was the size being bigger than expected. I think the biggest plus was the AF speed being actually very good for the fact that it's MFD.
And I'm still looking forward to seeing what this camera can do in the hands of all you guys, native or non native lenses!!



Mar 12, 2017 at 12:56 PM
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Yesss, about time for pictures


Mar 12, 2017 at 12:57 PM
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Pardon me for getting on this train a bit late. I can't read thru all 77 pages here, but what will this GFX-50S do for me that my Canon 5DSR will not? About the same pixel count. I love my XPro2's as well and trying to make sense if it all. Thanks.


Mar 12, 2017 at 02:38 PM
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Jeffrey wrote:
Pardon me for getting on this train a bit late. I can't read thru all 77 pages here, but what will this GFX-50S do for me that my Canon 5DSR will not? About the same pixel count. I love my XPro2's as well and trying to make sense if it all. Thanks.


For me the main thing would be the possibility to use twice the exposure time in otherwise similar images (same perspective, framing, DOF, diffraction and output size), in the cases where the 5DS R sensor would be saturated. Either for the benefit of using less ND filter, or for cleaner images in the whole tonal range.




Mar 12, 2017 at 02:47 PM
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alundeb wrote:
For me the main thing would be the possibility to use twice the exposure time in otherwise similar images (same perspective, framing, DOF, diffraction and output size), in the cases where the 5DS R sensor would be saturated. Either for the benefit of using less ND filter, or for cleaner images in the whole tonal range.


And for me, that is potentially its most significant drawback!

I already use long exposures for most of my photography and making them even longer still is problematic.

It's funny how that works sometimes, eh?



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