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I witnessed a friend telling his wife that he has his eye on the GFX. The look on her face froze the room. The poor chap is going to be sleeping on the couch tonight. And every night until he promises never to stray.
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bvphotos wrote:
I witnessed a friend telling his wife that he has his eye on the GFX. The look on her face froze the room. The poor chap is going to be sleeping on the couch tonight. And every night until he promises never to stray.
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bvphotos wrote:
I witnessed a friend telling his wife that he has his eye on the GFX. The look on her face froze the room. The poor chap is going to be sleeping on the couch tonight. And every night until he promises never to stray.
Could be worse. Aviation, or auto racing makes the cost of photography look quite reasonable.
I once met a guy that told me he had AIDS - aviation induced divorce syndrome.
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bvphotos wrote:
I witnessed a friend telling his wife that he has his eye on the GFX. The look on her face froze the room. The poor chap is going to be sleeping on the couch tonight. And every night until he promises never to stray.
rbf_ wrote:
For some it is a widow-maker...
That's because he forgot to start the sentence with, "If I sell a bunch of old stuff, ...".
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The best solution I've found when telling the wife about the cost of buying photography equipment is to offset it by offering something equally costly that she likes. I've been buying lots of Fuji items this past year and will do so for half of this year too. So I offered a trip to Spain. She was pleased
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Also, wow, seeing the prices of these lenses you guys are talking about buying several of, you are *lots* richer than me :P
Nah. First thing to remember is that most of the Digaron-S HR's were once labeled APO-Sironar-Digital HR. Same lenses, different branding. Second thing to remember is that Sinar rebranded quite a few of them for their own use. Despite being the same optics, the branding differences means they don't sell as well, so they typically sell for much lower prices on the used market. Third thing to remember is just because a lens is currently housed in some electronic shutter system no one uses anymore doesn't mean it has to stay there. They can always be reculminated to peak in a different Copal-sized solution, it just takes time and some varying-sized shims. Fourth thing to remember is that the best Rodenstock has to offer (the exotic wides 23-32mm, the Digaron-W's) are never cheap, so you have to decide your priorities. Is it worth chasing a Digaron-W 50 over the Apo-Sironar-Digital 55 or 60HR when you can own both of the latter for a fraction of the price of the former? If it is, then sacrifices will have to made elsewhere, just like any other budgeting decision.
Final thing to remember is patience. I've got a great set of of lenses from 35 to 150mm. Not the best, but certainly more than enough for a hobbyist, and the collective price I paid for them over the last three years of bargain hunting wouldn't buy me a new Digaron-W 50 (or a used APO-Summicron 180, for that matter ).
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freaklikeme wrote:
Nah. First thing to remember is that most of the Digaron-S HR's were once labeled APO-Sironar-Digital HR. Same lenses, different branding. Second thing to remember is that Sinar rebranded quite a few of them for their own use. Despite being the same optics, the branding differences means they don't sell as well, so they typically sell for much lower prices on the used market. Third thing to remember is just because a lens is currently housed in some electronic shutter system no one uses anymore doesn't mean it has to stay there. They can always be reculminated to peak in a different Copal-sized solution, it just takes time and some varying-sized shims. Fourth thing to remember is that the best Rodenstock has to offer (the exotic wides 23-32mm, the Digaron-W's) are never cheap, so you have to decide your priorities. Is it worth chasing a Digaron-W 50 over the Apo-Sironar-Digital 55 or 60HR when you can own both of the latter for a fraction of the price of the former? If it is, then sacrifices will have to made elsewhere, just like any other budgeting decision.
Final thing to remember is patience. I've got a great set of of lenses from 35 to 150mm. Not the best, but certainly more than enough for a hobbyist, and the collective price I paid for them over the last three years of bargain hunting wouldn't buy me a new Digaron-W 50 (or a used APO-Summicron 180, for that matter )....Show more →
Hi Brad,
That may be true regarding rebadged Caltar lenses (Calumet) and possibly Sinar lenses. Certainly that is not the case of Linhof branded versions of the Rodenstock lenses. We know that Linhof select lenses had higher standards and additional testing but at this point we hear rumors that the Sinar lenses were specially tested lenses but we have no confirmation of this.
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,
That may be true regarding rebadged Caltar lenses (Calumet) and possibly Sinar lenses. Certainly that is not the case of Linhof branded versions of the Rodenstock lenses. We know that Linhof lenses had higher standards and additional testing but at this point we hear rumors that the Sinar lenses were specially tested lenses but we have no confirmation of this.
Rich
I don't know that Caltar or Linhof ever rebranded the digital lenses, Rich, which is why I didn't mention them. Optically, there are no differences between the non-HR APO-Sironar Digital lenses (35, 45, 55, 120, 135, and 150) and their film counterparts, but the digitals do have better anti-reflective coatings, so that's the direction I've gone. I'm fairly certain ALPA's the only other company aside from Sinar rebranding the digitals, and they claim they "select the best lenses from Rodenstock and Schneider" to rebrand, but that's about as specific as they get so there's no telling what it actually means. Even Linhof's claim of higher standards and additional testing when they were rebranding lenses is suspect, in my opinion. It sounds to me like a camera manufacturer trying to justify a higher retail price than the same lens being offered by the manufacturer.
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freaklikeme wrote:
I don't know that Caltar or Linhof ever rebranded the digital lenses, Rich, which is why I didn't mention them. Optically, there are no differences between the non-HR APO-Sironar Digital lenses (35, 45, 55, 120, 135, and 150) and their film counterparts, but the digitals do have better anti-reflective coatings, so that's the direction I've gone. I'm fairly certain ALPA's the only other company aside from Sinar rebranding the digitals, and they claim they "select the best lenses from Rodenstock and Schneider" to rebrand, but that's about as specific as they get so there's no telling what it actually means. Even Linhof's claim of higher standards and additional testing when they were rebranding lenses is suspect, in my opinion. It sounds to me like a camera manufacturer trying to justify a higher retail price than the same lens being offered by the manufacturer....Show more →
Hi Brad,
As I recall, Bob Salomon (whom I have known for years) of HP Marketing (when HP still existed) some years ago indicated that there were differences between the Rodenstock Apo-Sironar digial lenses and their Apo-Sironar S lens counterparts. He indicated that Rodenstock had made changes or tweaks in their lens designs including at least for some such as the 55mm Apo-Sironar digital lens spacing, the lengths of the lenses, narrower image circles, and better and sharper performance on Digital Sensors than their film counterparts.
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,
As I recall, Bob Salomon of HP Marketing (when HP still existed) some years ago indicated that there were differences between the Rodenstock Apo-Sironar digial lenses and their Apo Sironar S lens counterparts. He indicated that Rodenstock had made tweaks in their designs including at least for some such as the 55mm Apo-Sironar lens spacing, the lengths of the lenses, narrower image circles, and better performance on Digital Sensors than their film counterparts.
Rich
There are longer baffles on the front of the Digitals to limit their ICs, something you'd really only notice if you put them on 4x5 camera, and reduce flare. The coating changes helped reduce ghosting flare when using digital sensors outside or with a strong light source in the frame. If there were other changes made, it's not evident in their specs, MTFs, or real world use (at least with the 45, 55, 135, and 150- those are the lenses where I've owned both their Grandagon or S and Digital versions).
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Edward Castro wrote:
The best solution I've found when telling the wife about the cost of buying photography equipment is to offset it by offering something equally costly that she likes. I've been buying lots of Fuji items this past year and will do so for half of this year too. So I offered a trip to Spain. She was pleased
I am a car enthusiast, so what I do is mention that I am looking at a BMW M3 (or something equivalent, GTR etc..). I build that up for a few months, and then decide I need to wait for a few more years, but in the interim I can get a new camera.
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freaklikeme wrote:
Nah...
Thanks, that's some interesting info. Y'all have piqued my interest in learning about view lenses. I think with the comment on the price I had Googled just the 28/4.5 and 35/4 Digaron-S's and assumed these lenses were all in that price range.
And you caught me on the 180 'Cron :P I guess I'm guilty of some "small format" bias in that when I hear a mid-four-figure price tag I think I'm about to see something huge, heavy, and wide-aperture.
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tunisia wrote:
I know this is off the current topic, but, would any of you think it'd be possible to use the 85mm Otus on the GFX? If so, what would be its limitations/issues? Thanks to one and all for this discussion.
This is the first I've seen of this, and it makes me seriously happy!
If the Otii work well on the GFX, my bank account is in serious trouble. Although, that example with the E43 Summilux looks fairly nice - I reckon the ASPH would work even better, which I already have. Looks ridiculous on the camera, but oh well.
I think the possibilities of adapted lenses with the GFX are amazing. Personally I can't wait. If my 58/1.4G would adapt well, and a 35/1.4 (any of them, really), I'd be set. A superfast ~28mm and ~50mm can get me any photo I need.
At the very least, I think my Zeiss 80/2.0 Planar from the Contax should work nicely.
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If I need an adaptor and an Otus lens, that may or may not have issues in the corners on a larger sensor, why not just get a Pentax 645Z or Leica S. Cost? Because you're throwing away most of the other benefits of a GFX over other MF systems. And it's a big gamble to think a 35mm Otus lens will be better than a native Pentax DA lens on a mini MF sensor. Both the 645z and Leica S have live view as well. A range of fantastic native lenses. The Pentax is cheaper.
Will the M adaptor actually hit infinity?
Personally, having been down the adapted lens route before I'm not at all interested in those compromises. Is the end result a lot of testing and measurements but not a lot of actual photography like what happened with the original A7?
Gordon
Feb 07, 2017 at 03:44 PM
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p.64 #17 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
flash wrote:
If I need an adaptor and an Otus lens, that may or may not have issues in the corners on a larger sensor, why not just get a Pentax 645Z or Leica S. Cost? Because you're throwing away most of the other benefits of a GFX over other MF systems. And it's a big gamble to think a 35mm Otus lens will be better than a native Pentax DA lens on a mini MF sensor. Both the 645z and Leica S have live view as well. A range of fantastic native lenses. The Pentax is cheaper.
Will the M adaptor actually hit infinity?
Personally, having been down the adapted lens route before I'm not at all interested in those compromises. Is the end result a lot of testing and measurements but not a lot of actual photography like what happened with the original A7?
Gordon, I don't think any of the Otus lenses will end up being that good on the camera. I am not counting on any of my 35mm lenses for use with it, but I have a bit of hope for some of the longer lenses. I am particularly interested in the Milvus 135 f/2 APO and putting it on a bellows for Macro type work. It should have a bigger image circle at closer distances and it really is excellent all the way to the corners on FF 35mm which will get you almost to the edge on mini MF. So, I won't count on it, but I will hope.
The other adapting that I am planning is large format digital lenses designed for digital backs. Those too ought to be spectacular on the Fuji and they are made to work on a bellows. It will make nice tilt and shift possible as well.
Finally, the third type of lens I will adapt will be Hassy H mount lenses with the adapter that Fuji is making. I want these for the leaf shutters and they are very nice lenses.
I think I will be happy with that plan, but we will see.
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Steve Spencer wrote:
Finally, the third type of lens I will adapt will be Hassy H mount lenses with the adapter that Fuji is making. I want these for the leaf shutters and they are very nice lenses.
Did they specify that the adapter would actually trigger the leaf shutters? I figured it was pretty much a "dumb" adapter since it wouldn't do AF. With the V lenses where you set the shutter speed on the lens and just need something to "trip" it that's pretty simple, but setting it from the camera on H lenses requires a pretty "smart" adapter...
Feb 07, 2017 at 05:56 PM
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Did they specify that the adapter would actually trigger the leaf shutters? I figured it was pretty much a "dumb" adapter since it wouldn't do AF. With the V lenses where you set the shutter speed on the lens and just need something to "trip" it that's pretty simple, but setting it from the camera on H lenses requires a pretty "smart" adapter...
Yes, they do specify that the camera will trigger the leaf shutter and have 1/800th flash sync speed. So, it won't have the full 1/2000th sync speed of the newer lenses (so as a tip one should probably get the older lenses as the new ones won't have any extra capabilities), but the camera will work with the leaf shutter of the lens. Fuji designed and built these lenses, so I am sure that helped them in developing the adapter.
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Did they specify that the adapter would actually trigger the leaf shutters? I figured it was pretty much a "dumb" adapter since it wouldn't do AF. With the V lenses where you set the shutter speed on the lens and just need something to "trip" it that's pretty simple, but setting it from the camera on H lenses requires a pretty "smart" adapter...
You also need a mechanism to cock the shutter on V lenses, unless you want to unmount them and cock them with a coin.
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