p.58 #1 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
milkod2001 wrote:
Those images look fine on 5k iMac, nothing wrong with them. They are just JPGs, it's hard to judge anything from such a small web files. If someone have claimed they were taken with 'just' Nikon D810 or even Canon 5D3 that would be believable. There is nothing really special about them. You would need to see some full colour landscape image printed on 5 metres wall to see strength of this 50MP MF sensor.
Click on the images and they'll take you to the full-sized images. And that's the problem exactly: you could make those photos with the same quality on a Nikon D810. Technically speaking, there is nothing compelling about those photos.
It's the same picture (#5) but I think some of the effect of declined sharpness is more because of the 1/8 sec shutter speed than it is a function of the capability of the camera. I also don't feel it's a bad image either and if you're not pixel peeping every detail one could be satisfied with the output.
p.58 #4 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Andrey, these are early OOC Jpegs and until the RAW's are available we will not truly appreciate the extent of the IQ. The OOC Jpegs are excellent and will depend a lot on the camera settings.
The last shot has some movement as it is obvious from the model's dress this is a dynamic setting.
The GFX and Pentax 645 have very similar sensors and both are capable of amazing IQ. For many who have not used MF with 51MP will have issues as the techniques to achieve the excellent IQ are very demanding.
p.58 #5 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
I can't imagine how anyone would think that the GFX will have anything less than stellar IQ. Blown highlights... LMAO.
Regardless of the bullshit Fujifilm sprout about this "new" sensor, it's a known quantity. And Fujinon lenses are also a known quantity. Images will be spectacular. If you can't get great images from this thing it isn't the cameras fault. If a Pentax 645Z with a 20 year old screw drive zoom lens can beat the shit out of an A7R2 with a Batis then the GFX is going to romp it in with modern Fujinon glass.
And no, your Canon 50 megapickle whatever with nearly 13 stops of DR isn't in the same league as this thing, unless you need the lenses that Canon make and Fuji don't. But you already know that. And neither will the D810 or a Sony A7R45 with 900 megapickles stuffed into a 35mm sensor assuming you have the glass you want on your shiny new Fuji.
It's all going to come down to much more important stuff. Usability. Responsiveness. The lens roadmap. Battery life. Handling. That's the interesting stuff. Fuji aren't getting this market to themselves. Pentax will respond. Probably with a price cut as their camera is already brilliant. Hasselblad may actually get a camera into the wild before 2025. Sony will release one with 800 buttons that won't let you set some important functions. Leica will make a mirrorless S camera at $86,000 body only with 37.5 MP. They'll all make stellar images. There will be lots of things to choose from. IQ won't be one of them.
p.58 #7 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Well, if I can get the same quality of image out of an A7R2...why do I want to spend at least twice as much on the mini MF camera system? Ain't that the purpose of moving to MF...for the image quality. Sure ain't for the weight savings. Ain't for the cost savings. Ain't for the ergonomics. Ain't for the lens selection. Ain't for the flexibility.
If they all can produce stellar images...then I'll stick with the A7R(2) system.
Show me the money...where these new MF systems produce better results than can be obtained with the Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2.
p.58 #8 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Do those first few Damien Lovegrove monochromes look to anyone else like they just weren't very well exposed? Specifically it kinda seems like he underexposed a few stops and had to push in post and then applied too much noise reduction.
The wacky shutter speeds may support this theory. Plus, the fact that, IMHO, the last two images look like they were made by a completely different (much better) camera.
p.58 #10 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
chez wrote:
Well, if I can get the same quality of image out of an A7R2...why do I want to spend at least twice as much on the mini MF camera system? Ain't that the purpose of moving to MF...for the image quality. Sure ain't for the weight savings. Ain't for the cost savings. Ain't for the ergonomics. Ain't for the lens selection. Ain't for the flexibility.
If they all can produce stellar images...then I'll stick with the A7R(2) system.
Show me the money...where these new MF systems produce better results than can be obtained with the Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2.
Imo, the difference is going to be in the more relaxed drawing style that comes from the different optical design / projection path. I suspect that we won't be talking as much about corner fringing and kalari mods and soft corners, distortion issues, etc. in the UWA arena as much.
The concepts of "better" are subjective with regard to "better" @ what. Better corrected or just different with regard to transition rates, etc.
Also, the combination of detail and larger pixels has some potential merit for the right folks who desire its merits. Of course, +1 @ the proof will be in the pudding and we're gonna have to wait and see, but I suspect for those who are inclined to harness those diff's ... they'll be pleasantly rewarded. For others, simply pass on by.
And, while you have stated that it isn't for the ergonomics ... well, for some that WILL fit their hand better than other cameras with different ergonomics. I don't think you can universally dispel the ergonomics when it isn't your hand that is trying it on for size. Besides, compared to some of the other (larger than FF) camera's, it seems that it does have some relative reduction in size & weight as well. Different strokes for diff folks. Always has been, always will be.
As to the flexibility ... did you notice the technical adaptation capability and the portrait oriented tilting screen and the swivel viewfinder flexibility?
The other thing here is ... simply a matter of preference. Some folks like the Fuji glass rendering with a different approach than say Zeiss or Leica or Nikon or . The one thing about Alt ... "better" is a misnomer that has folly implications. Different or preferred is really the order of the day whenever we are talking "Alt". What makes a diff for one person, may not make two hoots for another. So be it.
Besides ... 3 FPS is "better" than 10 FPS. It makes you slow down and think more about what you're doing.
1/2 empty vs. 1/2 full @ the eye (and hand) of the beholder.
p.58 #11 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
chez wrote:
Well, if I can get the same quality of image out of an A7R2.
You can't. With each camera at it's best the GFX will produce better IQ, assuming you like the range of lenses Fuji offers you. So will the Leica S and the Pentax 645Z. BUT... It's incremental. You're paying a lot more for those extra 10%.
Show me the money...where these new MF systems produce better results than can be obtained with the Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2.
I've done my testing. I bought. I've shot them side by side and made the prints. Ultimately you'll need to do your own and decide if the extra size, weight cost etc is worth the extra IQ boost for you. It might not be.
Sometimes I still take the A7R2 instead. Sometimes I don't want the bigger kit. The A7R2 is awesome. mini MF is just a little bit awesomer....
p.58 #13 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
flash wrote:
You can't. With each camera at it's best the GFX will produce better IQ, assuming you like the range of lenses Fuji offers you. So will the Leica S and the Pentax 645Z. BUT... It's incremental. You're paying a lot more for those extra 10%.
I've done my testing. I bought. I've shot them side by side and made the prints. Ultimately you'll need to do your own and decide if the extra size, weight cost etc is worth the extra IQ boost for you. It might not be.
Sometimes I still take the A7R2 instead. Sometimes I don't want the bigger kit. The A7R2 is awesome. mini MF is just a little bit awesomer....
It will be interesting to see how the Sony A7rIII and/or the Sony A9 will compare with the new Fujifilm camera especially when the Sony's are used for stitching images with the Cambo Actus. It will also be interesting to see what and if Cambo will do in order to mount the new Fujifilm camera to either the Cambo Actus or the Cambo Actus DB2. Like Brad (freaklikeme) this is a real question and interest and importance to me since at this point neither of the Cambo Actus cameras have the ability to mount a MF camera. The Cambo Actus DB2 at this point only offers the ability to mount a MF digital back.
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p.58 #14 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
mcbroomf wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted. Lots of details
One of the interesting issues is what the weight of the camera will be. Fuji in this link list the weight as:
740g - excluding battery, memory card and accessories
920g - with EVF
825g - with battery and memory card
This makes me the weight with the EVF, battery, and memory card the weight will be 1005g, but the weight with EVF is a bit ambiguous whether that includes the battery and memory card or not.
p.58 #15 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
jaehoppa wrote:
Quick question.
Would it be possible to adapt Pentax 67 lenses on this Fuji? I assume it's possible since 67 covers a much larger area.
You could go P67 to P645 to Nikon F mount to EOS but then the EOS to Fuji G mount adapter is missing. Hopefully that will be along shortly, or maybe someone will think of a better way to do it.
p.58 #16 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
chez wrote:
Well, if I can get the same quality of image out of an A7R2...why do I want to spend at least twice as much on the mini MF camera system? Ain't that the purpose of moving to MF...for the image quality. Sure ain't for the weight savings. Ain't for the cost savings. Ain't for the ergonomics. Ain't for the lens selection. Ain't for the flexibility.
If they all can produce stellar images...then I'll stick with the A7R(2) system.
Show me the money...where these new MF systems produce better results than can be obtained with the Nikon 810 or Sony A7R2.
Here's a 5DSR vs 645Z comparison I posted to the other thread:
p.58 #17 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
chez wrote:
Ain't that the purpose of moving to MF...for the image quality. Sure ain't for the weight savings. Ain't for the cost savings. Ain't for the ergonomics. Ain't for the lens selection. Ain't for the flexibility.
Why not? It makes a lot more sense than moving to the Sony mirrorless system, which offers none of those benefits...
p.58 #18 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
molson wrote:
Why not? It makes a lot more sense than moving to the Sony mirrorless system, which offers none of those benefits...
Beg to differ here. Compared to the GFX...I feel the Sony offers all those benefits. Only reason I'd even consider the GFX is if it produces noticable better prints than what I can get out of the Sony. The GFX sure ain't a travel camera so that's a big strike against it. Looks like a good landscape camera, but if you think Sony's lenses are too expensive, too big, too heavy, too few... what do you say about these Fuji MF lenses?
p.58 #19 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Coming from Canon (and briefly Nikon) I really like the Fuji system. If they offered a FF camera I'd probably lean towards that, but they don't, so GFX it is.
. The one thing about Alt ... "better" is a misnomer that has folly implications. Different or preferred is really the order of the day whenever we are talking "Alt". What makes a diff for one person, may not make two hoots for another. So be it.