p.17 #1 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Well, now. If I was ever going to go all in with Fuji mirrorless...this would be it. I think I can give up dSLRs for medium format digital...and until now it's been so ridiculously expensive. This might be interesting come next year.
p.17 #2 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
So, do we know:
1) weight of body?
2) weight of each lens?
3) DR? I would love 15.5-16 stops...an extra couple stops over the a7 series is massive for me.
In DOF, what is my crop factor? I know it's a .8, but what are we talking about in DOF.
A 50mm (in FF terms):
M4/3 = 2.8 at 100mm
ASP-C = 2.0 at 75mm
FF = 1.4 @ 50 mm
Fuji MF crop = ? @ 40mm
It is about 40% of a stop...so a bit above 1.2?
Crop factor is 0.79. For the lenses Fuji has announced, here are the equivalent FF focal length and aperture lenses you'd need to get the same field of view and DOF:
EDIT: To answer your question about what theoretical GFX lens you'd need to match a 50mm f/1.4 on FF, you would need a Fuji GFX 63mm f/1.8. No lens like that, though the GFX 63mm f/2.8 isn't too far off.
p.17 #3 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
X0.8，so 50mm f2 will be 40mm f1.6.
But, perspective it is still 50mm lens. A big plus to me when you moving to larger format.
Also 4x3 format is a plus for me. nehemiahphoto wrote:
So, do we know:
1) weight of body?
2) weight of each lens?
3) DR? I would love 15.5-16 stops...an extra couple stops over the a7 series is massive for me.
In DOF, what is my crop factor? I know it's a .8, but what are we talking about in DOF.
A 50mm (in FF terms):
M4/3 = 2.8 at 100mm
ASP-C = 2.0 at 75mm
FF = 1.4 @ 50 mm
Fuji MF crop = ? @ 40mm
p.17 #6 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
zhangyue wrote:
X0.8，so 50mm f2 will be 40mm f1.6.
But, perspective it is still 50mm lens. A big plus to me when you moving to larger format.
Also 4x3 format is a plus for me.
No, no, no, no, no. Perspective has nothing to do with focal length. NOTHING. It is entirely a function of your position relative to the subject and the background, and the perspective of a 50mm on full frame is identical to the same framed shot at 63mm on this camera and 25mm on Micro 4/3. This is one of my biggest pet peeves in the photography world.......
p.17 #7 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
sflxn wrote:
What's the deal with the hump in the back? This camera looks quite a bit bigger than the Hassy.
Yeah, kind of surprising, considering how small it looked straight on. I was surprised to see it look so much smaller than a Canon 5D - but I guess they moved everything from the top to the back.
p.17 #8 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
sflxn wrote:
What's the deal with the hump in the back? This camera looks quite a bit bigger than the Hassy.
I think it's thicker, and that is almost assuredly due to the focal plane shutter, which the Hassy lacks. I haven't seen pure dimensions, but comparing the shot posted earlier of the Fuji with the 5Ds and camerasize.com between the X1D and 5Ds, it looks like they are similar in height, but the Hassy is wider.
Help me out Jordan--this always confuses me the way people talk of this. From owning them, When I put a 85 1.4 on a crop camera, it acts like a 135 f2 on full frame. So what would that same 85 looks like on this MF Fuji crop?
The perspective on a 50mm on m4/3 is the same as a 100mm on FF. But for equivalent DOF, the lens would have to be 2 stops faster for the m4/3s to match the FF DOF.
So...a FF 100mm 2.8 looks (But does not have the same perspective?) as a 50 1.4 when mounted on m4/3s.
p.17 #11 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Jman13 wrote:
I think it's thicker, and that is almost assuredly due to the focal plane shutter, which the Hassy lacks. I haven't seen pure dimensions, but comparing the shot posted earlier of the Fuji with the 5Ds and camerasize.com between the X1D and 5Ds, it looks like they are similar in height, but the Hassy is wider.
Could also be for heat sink and better heat management. Still makes me wonder what's the weight of this thing.
p.17 #14 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Help me out Jordan--this always confuses me the way people talk of this. From owning them, When I put a 85 1.4 on a crop camera, it acts like a 135 f2 on full frame. So what would that same 85 looks like on this MF Fuji crop?
See the FF equivalents I gave in the post above.
What would the same 85mm f/1.4 lens look like on the Fuji? That depends. There's no universal answer to that question, it depends on the design of the 85mm f/1.4 you're talking about. It's a different story going when you're talking about a lens designed for a larger format being used on a smaller format, like using FF lenses on APS-C cameras.
If the lens has a FF image circle, it would look similar to what it does on FF, but with some hard vignetting. Like putting an APS-C lens on a FF body. If it is a FF lens that has a large enough image circle (tilt-shift, Otus, etc) to completely cover the Sony mini-MF sensor in the Fuji, it could look like a mediocre 67mm f/1.1 FF lens, probably with some vignetting and corners that look worse than they did on FF. The same scenario as using APS-C lenses on FF bodies - there are some lenses desigend for APS-C that can be used on FF if you're willing to accept some compromises.
p.17 #15 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Sorbet wrote:
Wow, that is not much bigger than full frame. Seems like such a modest increase in sensor size.
It is a very modest increase in sensor size. It's less of a difference than going from APS-C to FF.
I do think it makes sense for Fuji, who doesn't have any FF cameras. IMHO it's a clever turn of events - they leapfrog FF and end up with something like FF Plus.
FWIW the jump from APS-C to Fuji GFX is about the same as the jump from M43s to FF. Existing Fuji users would see some real improvement, but Sony/Nikon/Pentax FF users not so much. If Fuji is smart, these lenses will be really, really excellent - APO, near APO, nice roll off, and very sharp. That will make the medium format mystique work in their favor.
p.17 #16 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Then why aren't we all using micro 4/3rds? Why do I ALWAYS prefer images that I shoot with my Pentax 67 and 105/2.4 over images from my 58/1.4? Smaller format images lack dimensionality, the shorter lenses flatten out your subject in rendering. That's why I can't get down with anything sub 35mm.
p.17 #18 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
arduluth wrote:
See the FF equivalents I gave in the post above.
What would the same 85mm f/1.4 lens look like on the Fuji? That depends. There's no universal answer to that question, it depends on the design of the 85mm f/1.4 you're talking about. It's a different story going when you're talking about a lens designed for a larger format being used on a smaller format, like using FF lenses on APS-C cameras.
If the lens has a FF image circle, it would look similar to what it does on FF, but with some hard vignetting. Like putting an APS-C lens on a FF body. If it is a FF lens that has a large enough image circle (tilt-shift, Otus, etc) to completely cover the Sony mini-MF sensor in the Fuji, it could look like a mediocre 67mm f/1.1 FF lens, probably with some vignetting and corners that look worse than they did on FF. The same scenario as using APS-C lenses on FF bodies - there are some lenses desigend for APS-C that can be used on FF if you're willing to accept some compromises. ...Show more →
Right. Thanks for answering this. I think I am not being articulate here. I totally understand the FL crop factor between different sensor sizes...just trying to understand ten DOF translation. And yes, asp-c lenses and all I got on FF and such. I saw a while ago someone adapter an Canon 85L to MF--gave some rediculous DOF, functioning as 50 f.9 or something in FF terms.
Anyway, I'll try one more. So, assuming the lenses are both in their native formats, the Fuji GF 110 f2 would be similar to a 90 (88 in FL) and 1.7? (DOF) on FF? I realize light gathering is the same. This is correct?
p.17 #19 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
Jman13 wrote:
No, no, no, no, no. Perspective has nothing to do with focal length. NOTHING. It is entirely a function of your position relative to the subject and the background, and the perspective of a 50mm on full frame is identical to the same framed shot at 63mm on this camera and 25mm on Micro 4/3. This is one of my biggest pet peeves in the photography world.......
You are right about it. I meant to mention 50mm is still 50mm lens no matter which format it is at. I don't know why I add perspective here. It is always a confusing topic.
p.17 #20 · Pre-order: Fujifilm GFX 50S Medium Format body ($6,499)
zhangyue wrote:
X0.8，so 50mm f2 will be 40mm f1.6.
But, perspective it is still 50mm lens. A big plus to me when you moving to larger format.
Also 4x3 format is a plus for me.
This. I see. Thanks Michael. I am thinking about it correctly (or we are both thinking about it incorrectly together
