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 p.2 #2 · Canon 5D4 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs | |
Just did it myself independently before seeing this, anyway cut and paste of my message on another thread (along with EDIT at the end after glancing at the DPR thread mentioned here for a second):
hmmmm just took a quick look at ISO 100 RAW file, after Canon this time mentioning DR so much for the first time I had hoped it would do even better than 1Dx2/80D, but it doesn't seem too. Much less a better 14.25 it doesn't even do the 13.75 I expected and seems likely to do more like 13.4 stops from what I can tell. A little disappointing TBH after all this time especially since the video quality at first tentative glances appears to be not quite as good as A7R II either. (A7R II at least 13.89 stops at ISO100, some places say better and more like 14-14.5; nikon 14.5-14.75 stops; might not all matter, except I fear the Canon might be a nice improvement and yet still just not quite enough to avoid having to combine more than one exposure since A7R II seems to only just barely handle the stuff I encounter, maybe the Canon can still sort of do it but there will be some bits of ugly showing a bit I think).
It is the single most cost efficient way to sort of get it all at once, but after all this time I thought they could at least tie some older stuff for stills and video quality. Not sure, but despite the negatives of a dual 5D3 + latest, greatest Sony combo, I may just stick with that (unless D820 utterly blow me away, not sure I can afford to swap to Nikon now though, $$ if you also need to swap over super-tele and had bought way back when they cost way, wayyyy less than they do today) as get better stills and video quality I think.
Not a bad camera, and certainly their best ever (well other than for 1DX2 ignoring the 20MP issue), and it is less expensive than pairing a 5D3 + adapter + Sony and you get the advantages of all in one system and get some extra DR even for action stuff and so on, but it does seem a little disappointing that after all these years they are still not caught up to Sony of a few years ago much less Nikon for low ISO stills max quality in high DR natural world scenarios (and again, simply keeping up doesn't even matter so much as being able to hit the critical minimum point to single shot handle stuff one often encounters in the real world, does it or not) and seemingly not quite caught up for video quality either (although the old 5D3 in a way is still the 1080P leader, so long as you can deal with RAW video, which does get to be a real drag after a while, that does deliver some fantastic quality and can even do unique things like wide gamut video). And it means at least another 3-4 years of waiting to get 14 stops. bleh. (unless they have a 5Ds mark II in another year or two and manage to get it to 6-7fps and top quality 4k) and they still insist on leaving out live 100%-200% zoom window during video/liveview which can be utterly critically important for basic usage.
Maybe the masked area is a touch noisier and the real sensor area will hit A7R II levels (which seems to me to be the bare minimum to just barely manage to handle lots of real world high DR forest and other such photography, maybe the new Canon pulls it off, but I'm a little afraid it might come up just a touch short to really quite pull off single frame shot, that tough stuff).
In many ways very good camera though, but it does seem a shame it didn't have just that final few extra bits though.
The supposedly calibrated LCD would be very cool and I'm sure DPAF could be nice at times, they fixed autoiso finally, fps isn't too bad, etc. etc. but the sensor still seems a bit blah and I could swear the video is just not showing the amazing, looking out a window clarity of the A7R II.
EDIT: apparently on DPR there is talk that DUalPixel RAW will somehow allow an extra stop of highlights though, haven't time to read it now, if actually true and it doesn't rob shadows (in which case it really isn't giving more highlights anyway) and there are no weird gotchas, that would be pretty cool news, at the cost of having to deal with 60MP files for a 30MP image you could then have the 13.4 stops turn into 14.4 stops?? IF, if that is actually true, then it suddenly does become much more interesting. 14.4 stops would be plenty good. You fire off typical shots in 30MP mode, use 60MP data size mode for the high DR non-action stuff (files too large for a good enough buffer for most sports; but still get a solid 13.4 for sports action). Hope this is really true.
Anyway, if it actually can pull of 14.4 in DualPixel RAW that would be pretty awesome and it would be a darn fine stills camera and a decent video one I guess, so not a bad package then.
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I mainly wanted a body to use at ISO 1600-3200 with a better framing rate than the 5DsR and higher resolution than the 1DX/1DX II. The 5DsR has excellent IQ at the low ISOs. No DPRAW will overcome the 50MP and no AA filter for me.