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Andrew CD wrote:
The Zeiss is my go to when I don't want to think too hard about taking photos - I can put the subject wherever in the frame and use any aperture and the results will be sharp and beautiful within the limits of my ability to nail focus.


Yes, the 35mm f/1.4 ZM @f/2.0 and beyond almost, or rivals the Voigtlander 35mm f/2.0 APO.. but at the cost of bulk and weight.

The Zeiss C Biogon T* 35mm f/2.8 ZM is also a great lens in a much smaller package.



Mar 09, 2025 at 11:06 AM
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p.53 #2 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


This is an interesting thread--I still never quite found a modern M 35 I was entirely happy with. Going back to his fall when I last posted on this thread, I had a ZM 35/1.4. Since then, I repurchased a 35 Lux FLE and then a 35/1.7 which is ultimately what I settled on.

When I had the CV 35/1.7 and FLE, I did controlled testing and profiled my CV 35/1.7 to mimic the FLE. The tools in post have gotten so much better over the years, that I am happier with the lens than before. It's lower in micro-contrast and lacks the SA of the FLE, but it does have better resolution, is about 2k cheaper and better flare resistance.

I think I'll buy the ZM 35/1.4 just to profile it with the 35/1.7.

The thing that's too bad about the ZM 35/1.4 (and CV 35/1.5 and 35/2 Ultron) is they don't play nice with a Sony sensor stack.

The FLE actually has an improved midzone on stock sony (which I prefer to the native performance). The CV 35/1.7 you can get sharp central and midzone. Sadly, the ZM 35/1.4 really struggles on a stock sensor. Love the look though. the colors and contrast I get from the ZM 35/1.4 (and ZA 50/1.4) are really special.



Mar 09, 2025 at 06:16 PM
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p.53 #3 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


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This is an interesting thread--I still never quite found a modern M 35 I was entirely happy with. Going back to his fall when I last posted on this thread, I had a ZM 35/1.4. Since then, I repurchased a 35 Lux FLE and then a 35/1.7 which is ultimately what I settled on.

When I had the CV 35/1.7 and FLE, I did controlled testing and profiled my CV 35/1.7 to mimic the FLE. The tools in post have gotten so much better over the years, that I am happier with the lens than before. It's lower in micro-contrast and
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I’ve tried them all, and if I want the highest resolution, contrast, and best color error correction, I would choose the CV 35/2 APO. For a high-performing fast lens at f/1.4, the ZM is the best in terms of resolution and contrast on the M sensor, followed by the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. However, in my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE is the best compromise. It does not lead in resolution across the field at wide apertures but offers a beautiful character and is compact for an f/1.4 lens. Stopped down, it performs so well that it becomes a great option for landscapes at f/5.6 and smaller apertures.



Mar 09, 2025 at 09:13 PM
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p.53 #4 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


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I’ve tried them all, and if I want the highest resolution, contrast, and best color error correction, I would choose the CV 35/2 APO. For a high-performing fast lens at f/1.4, the ZM is the best in terms of resolution and contrast on the M sensor, followed by the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. However, in my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE is the best compromise. It does not lead in resolution across the field at wide apertures but offers a beautiful character and is compact for an f/1.4 lens. Stopped down, it performs so well that it becomes a great
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I reached the same conclusion! I prefer it’s ergonomics, size and rendering. I just don’t wanna pay that much money : /

I always spend more of my budget on character lenses.




Mar 09, 2025 at 10:10 PM
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p.53 #5 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


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I’ve tried them all, and if I want the highest resolution, contrast, and best color error correction, I would choose the CV 35/2 APO. For a high-performing fast lens at f/1.4, the ZM is the best in terms of resolution and contrast on the M sensor, followed by the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. However, in my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE is the best compromise. It does not lead in resolution across the field at wide apertures but offers a beautiful character and is compact for an f/1.4 lens. Stopped down, it performs so well that it becomes a great
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I agree with your assessment entirely, but you left one lens out that for me turns out to be my favorite--the CV 35 f/1.2 and with the even smaller version IV about to come out will probably be my primary choice. I like the contrast and clarity of the ZM, but I prefer the bokeh on the CV 35 f/1.2 and the CV is such a dual character lens with an interesting and I think appealing character wide open and excellent performance with few aberrations once you stop down to f/4 or smaller. I would still pair it with the CV 35 f/2 APO for when I wanted to shoot close up and when I wanted the ultimate in resolution, contrast, and aberration control, but for me the CV 35 f/1.2 will be my more typical carry. The kicker is the CV 35 makes an excellent 50 f/1.8 (in equivalent focal length and depth of field) if you crop as well and with a 60 MP sensor you still get 26 MP, so you get a fast 35 and a fast 50 in one lens.



Mar 10, 2025 at 05:35 AM
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p.53 #6 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Many thanks for the reply to my post yesterday (#16 on the previous page of this thread).

The photos that @rji2goleez @bwcolor and @_jim_ posted did nothing to help dissuade me from repurchasing the ZM 1.4. Nor did some of the lovely images earlier on the previous page (not least, the @nehemiahphoto 's gorgeous B&W image of trees). You are all rotters (But, seriously, thank you for taking the time to reply.)

I completely understand (and agree with) what @Fred Miranda said about the CV 35/2 APO and the FLE (although I certainly don't feel any need to swap my 'Lux Asph pre-FLE for one), and I was also interested to read what @Steve Spencer said about the CV 35/1.2 -- that is another lens I've wondered about. But the fact remains that I really miss the ZM 1.4 and its Zeissy character, which I love. And the contrast it can produce -- particularly when converting to B&W -- is amazing. Not that I need another 35mm lens, I just need to sit on my hands and stop thinking about it .....

(By the way, @bwcolor , the text you quoted, above, was from _jim_'s post, not mine. No big deal, must have been a glitch in the quoting mechanism, just thought I'd mention it.)

Thanks ....
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Mar 10, 2025 at 08:08 AM
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p.53 #7 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Steve Spencer wrote:
I agree with your assessment entirely, but you left one lens out that for me turns out to be my favorite--the CV 35 f/1.2 and with the even smaller version IV about to come out will probably be my primary choice. I like the contrast and clarity of the ZM, but I prefer the bokeh on the CV 35 f/1.2 and the CV is such a dual character lens with an interesting and I think appealing character wide open and excellent performance with few aberrations once you stop down to f/4 or smaller. I would still pair it with
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I have shot with the CV 35/1.2 Nokton (v3) for a couple of years and like it a lot. However, when shooting wide open or at f/1.4, it feels a bit soft for situations where I want a high-performing lens (especially off-axis). It is sharp enough but not as sharp as the CV 40/1.2 Nokton...

Axial chromatic aberration is another issue that bothers me with the f/1.2 Noktons, with the 35mm being the most affected and the 50mm handling it the best, though I am particularly sensitive to this aberration. I also find the focus transitions too smooth for my taste, and the highlights lack outlining, which is not my preference. That said, I can understand why many would prefer its rendering over the other lenses I mentioned. Its undercorrected SA makes it a great choice for environmental portraits, where fine detail and high contrast are often less desirable.



Mar 10, 2025 at 10:50 AM
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A fun bit of food for thought...the Zeiss 35/1.4 is more likely derivative of the v1/2 Nokton 1.2 than the Summilux 11874/FLE. There are some obvious differences in the construction of the groups in front of the stop, but the groups after are quite similar. Zeiss has never claimed that there are 3 aspherical surfaces in the Distagon ZM, but I would not be surprised if there were.

NoktonvsDistagon by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

At any rate, the performance differences between the two are fairly night and day. My contention is that the v1/2 Nokton was the jumping off point and the 35 Distagon takes that design to the stratosphere.

Having owned the v1 Nokton, it is not without its charms, but I would not trade it for the Zeiss.

The newer Noktons are worlds apart better than Cosina's early ventures. I really liked the 40/1.2.



Mar 10, 2025 at 11:20 AM
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For me, the biggest sales point of the Distagon (especially when one can only rangefinder focus), is that you can put your subject anywhere(ish) in the frame at 1.4 and so long as you can nail focus, the image will be sharp. My Summilux ASPH 11874 cannot do that (to the same degree).

Barrel Tasting by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Barrel Tasting by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Zeiss Ikon ZM, Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 ZM, Kodak Tri-X, Xtol 1:1

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

San Juan Motel by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Ferry Cafeteria by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Zeiss Ikon ZM, Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 ZM, Cinestill 800T.



Mar 10, 2025 at 11:34 AM
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p.53 #10 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Steve Spencer wrote:
I agree with your assessment entirely, but you left one lens out that for me turns out to be my favorite--the CV 35 f/1.2 and with the even smaller version IV about to come out will probably be my primary choice. I like the contrast and clarity of the ZM, but I prefer the bokeh on the CV 35 f/1.2 and the CV is such a dual character lens with an interesting and I think appealing character wide open and excellent performance with few aberrations once you stop down to f/4 or smaller. I would still pair it with
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I don’t like to carry two lenses of the same vocal length unless they are pretty radically different character – and even then I don’t enjoy to. I really liked the CV 35/1.2v3, just wish the mid zone was better. If the mid-zone was better wide open, that would be my lens of choice. It is lower contrast, but a lot of that can be helped in post. Like the FLE CF and Pentax 31, the CV 35/1.2v4 seems to be rehoused, but no optically tweaks sadly.

Did you try the CV 35/1.5?

Always nice shots @_jim_! do you have your film processed and or scanned at Blue Moon? And yep, fantastic to just not worry about where the subject is.



Mar 10, 2025 at 11:59 AM
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Always nice shots @_jim_@! do you have your film processed and or scanned at Blue Moon? And yep, fantastic to just not worry about where the subject is.


Thanks! I develop black and white at home. For color, I use Citizen. I scan both at home using a Sony A7RII and convert with NLP. Blue Moon is fun for shopping (and from what I see, they do a nice job developing, too).

I also had the 35/1.5 for a bit (I will definitely buy it again). The size is ideal on an M camera. The optical compromise it inhabits is perfect for me - close-up (1-3 meters) the image quality is quite good - it was sharper than my Summilux ASPH 11874 and as sharp (only in the center of the frame) as my Distagon 35/1.4. At longer distances, things fall apart a bit (at full aperture). I like it's out-of-focus draw, too (swirl is good for me).



Mar 10, 2025 at 01:00 PM
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p.53 #12 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


_jim_ wrote:
A fun bit of food for thought...the Zeiss 35/1.4 is more likely derivative of the v1/2 Nokton 1.2 than the Summilux 11874/FLE. There are some obvious differences in the construction of the groups in front of the stop, but the groups after are quite similar. Zeiss has never claimed that there are 3 aspherical surfaces in the Distagon ZM, but I would not be surprised if there were.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54377866206_a41f885786_b.jpgNoktonvsDistagon by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

At any rate, the performance differences between the two are fairly night and day. My contention is that the v1/2 Nokton was the jumping off point and the
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Very interesting post, Jim! I had never thought of comparing the CV 35/1.2 Nokton v1 and v2 to the Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM, but I agree that their designs follow a similar pattern. The newer CV 35/1.2 Nokton v3 is the one I have tried, and its design is significantly different. I wonder if the optical design of the 35/1.2 v1 and v2 produces a slightly sharper image wide open compared to the v3. I have never tried them side by side. Having said that, what's cool about v3 is that it's very compact for a 35/1.2 lens.





CV 35/1.2 Nokton v3 optical design




Mar 10, 2025 at 02:43 PM
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p.53 #13 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM Tests


Fred Miranda wrote:
I have shot with the CV 35/1.2 Nokton (v3) for a couple of years and like it a lot. However, when shooting wide open or at f/1.4, it feels a bit soft for situations where I want a high-performing lens (especially off-axis). It is sharp enough but not as sharp as the CV 40/1.2 Nokton...

Axial chromatic aberration is another issue that bothers me with the f/1.2 Noktons, with the 35mm being the most affected and the 50mm handling it the best, though I am particularly sensitive to this aberration. I also find the focus transitions too smooth for my
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What I like about the CV 35 f/1.2 is that I think I get three different looks from the lens based on the aperture. I agree wide open it is a little soft, especially away from the middle, but I like that SA glow in the right context. I shoot it most often, however, at f/2 where I love the balance of sharpness and bokeh for portraits, and then stopped down to f/4 or narrower I find it plenty sharp across the 4 X 3 aspect ratio frame that I typically shoot. Unlike you I also really like the bokeh. I particularly like the smooth focus transition and I like that the highlights lack outlining as well.

That said, I totally agree with you about the axial CA. I find all the fast 35mm lenses I have tried, the ZM 35 f/1.4, the Leica M 35 f/1.4 FLE, and the CV 35 f/1.2 to have too much axial CA for my taste. Only the CV 35 f/2 APO has the reduced CA (and it still has a little at f/2) that I like to see. It has a really different character, however, and I don't find it that suitable for many of the portraits I like to take. I love it when I am shooting nature type shots, but I just don't find I like many portraits from it. So, I carry the CV 35 f/1.2 when I might be shooting portraits and for general use, but the CV 35 f/2 APO when I take a walk in the woods and know I will be shooting primary nature type shots.

I am still waiting for a 35mm lens to have the reduced CA I like to see and the type of bokeh I prefer. I have heard the Sigma 35 f/1.2 Art might do that, but it isn't even close to a size I would like and it isn't manual focus which I prefer, so that really isn't a solution for me either. For now, I find the CV 35 f/1.2 to be the best balance of what I like, although I sure wish it had less axial CA. I suppose I should try the CV 35 f/1.5. I do like the CV 75 f/1.5 a lot and I like what I have seen from the CV 28 f/1.5, but I haven't found the CV 35 f/1.5 images to be as compelling, but I won't really know until I use the lens for awhile. I find I can learn a lot from seeing other people's images, but I don't really know a lens until I shoot it for a few months.



Mar 10, 2025 at 03:24 PM
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As an aside, as this thread spans many years it is cute seeing people’s kids growing up!

And pics of me when I was in diapers. I mean yeah those could have been taken yesterday but that’s not the point.



Mar 11, 2025 at 10:54 AM
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M7, ZM 35 1.4, Fojak 200




















Mar 11, 2025 at 11:00 AM
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M5, ZM 35 1.4, C200














Mar 11, 2025 at 11:08 AM
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Related, but not on topic. I've been shooting Zeiss 25, F2 (FE), and loving it. I bought it a quite a while ago when it went on sale half price, but I didn't use it due to preferring the autofocus Canon 16-35 F4 (on a 5Div). Recently, I started putting together a "travel kit" and got a A7rV, Sony 40mm 2.5 and Sigma 90mm 2.8, but it's hard to replace the Zeiss 25 with something autofocus since I like the look. The Zeiss is big and manual focus, but still, it's a nice lens.


(On the Canon)


(On the Sony)



Mar 11, 2025 at 08:46 PM
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Sunrise Over the Seine by scrappydoggy, on Flickr

A snap with the Sony A7R2 + 35ZM + OptoSigma PCX filter. I rarely shoot it now that I added the Voigtlander 35/2 APO to my landscape kit, but it can take magical shots.



Mar 12, 2025 at 06:36 AM
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Fantastic!

Desmolicious wrote:
M5, ZM 35 1.4, C200

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51565525176_fdcabf77ab_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51561815357_a2982a8eda_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51557560522_95ea759a49_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51558896680_da752ebb8d_b.jpg




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https://live.staticflickr.com/3956/33110953385_e0faa404a3_o.jpgSunrise Over the Seine by scrappydoggy, on Flickr

A snap with the Sony A7R2 + 35ZM + OptoSigma PCX filter. I rarely shoot it now that I added the Voigtlander 35/2 APO to my landscape kit, but it can take magical shots.


I have 35 apo vm....was thinking about buying 35 zeiss zm as well...why do you prefer vm over zm?



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