jamato8 wrote:
Besides going through this thread, again, as I did it over time as it was being added to but have forgotten a lot as I didn't have the TAP, is there a real manual besides the one online and that comes with the TAP, which are the same? Some things just aren't clear to me, like the recording of the lens you are using. It would seem you have to remember the fstop associated with the length of lens you use and enter it each time you change lenses. Which I guess makes sense, since there is no electrical information from the lenses but if you are trying to get something done fast, it isn't going to happen. ...Show more →
Yes that's right. You set some odd f-stop on the camera that is associated with your focal length, take a photo, then set the camera back to f2 and the lens to shooting aperture. The focal length will then appear in EXIF.
I don't bother. I set the focal length for IBIS by setting IBIS to manual control. Then I just press the video button and make a voice note when I change lenses, and whenever I want to record shooting aperture. Then it's easy back in Lightroom to see these video clips, and use Lenstagger to set the complete EXIF including lens name.
jamato8 wrote:
Besides going through this thread, again, as I did it over time as it was being added to but have forgotten a lot as I didn't have the TAP, is there a real manual besides the one online and that comes with the TAP, which are the same? Some things just aren't clear to me, like the recording of the lens you are using. It would seem you have to remember the fstop associated with the length of lens you use and enter it each time you change lenses. Which I guess makes sense, since there is no electrical information from the lenses but if you are trying to get something done fast, it isn't going to happen. ...Show more →
I mainly shoot with 50mm lenses so it's not a big issue for me but it seems that most contributors to this thread who do change lenses frequently have got used to the procedure that DavidBM summarised:
1) switch lens
2) turn on camera
3) select appropriate aperture on camera body for new focal length
4) press shutter
5) set aperture back to F2 on camera body
6) set actual shooting aperture on lens
With practice and for most situations this shouldn't add much more than ten seconds to the time it takes to change lenses. But admittedly in a time-critical situation those ten seconds might mean you miss the shot.
You can also use the Android configuration app to modify the factory settings so that your most commonly used focal lengths start from F11.
pdmphoto wrote: Beni wrotesflxn wroteDavidBM wroteYes; no update will make it work in the original series. It's down to the way Sonys PDAF works on the II series. TAP works on the A7ii, but probably better on The A7rii which is all I've used it on.Sure, they work best on the A7RII, but all their videos show them using an A7R, which is very misleading.Why misleading? If it works for them?So it works well on the A7R! That's a surprise
If that's what the video shows it's bit misleading because they explicitly say elsewhere not to use it on the A7 or A7r. You could easily watch such a video and conclude that it usually works well on the A7r
pdmphoto wrote: Beni wrotesflxn wroteDavidBM wroteYes; no update will make it work in the original series. It's down to the way Sonys PDAF works on the II series. TAP works on the A7ii, but probably better on The A7rii which is all I've used it on.Sure, they work best on the A7RII, but all their videos show them using an A7R, which is very misleading.Why misleading? If it works for them?So it works well on the A7R! That's a surprise
The answer is no, it does not. Yet, their video shows them using it on the A7R. Very easy to tell from the clack-clack shutter.
Pretty similar is subjective.. .. I guess posting and seeing such comparisons could be a good or bad thing for my pocketbook
DavidBM wrote: mark1958 wroteI just got a ZM 85/4 (couple days back) and after reading about the Leica and seeing Fred's example -- was considering switching. But for the size and weight (and cost), I think will stick with the ZM. For landscapes likely shoot 5.6 or higher anyway. Maybe its best if Fred does not post any f5.6 or 8 comparisons.
Fred Miranda wroteI did some tests with the 90/2 AA today. First let me say that I've never seen a decentered Leica lens. Granted, I've only tested around 5 or 6 lenses in total but they were all perfectly centered. It's nice to have that piece of mind when purchasing it used.
So, how does it perform?...I will be direct and state that it beats my ZM 85/4 at infinity and that is very hard to do. There is more micro detail with the Leica center/mid-field and edges. It's noticeable at 1:1. That is true at f/4 and f/5.6 and it makes sense since the Zeiss is practically wide-open. At f/8 they are much closer but there is still a slight edge for the cron.
The Leica 90AA is sharp wide open but starting at f/2.8 it's gives an amazing performance for landscapes. At f/4 and f/5.6 it's really superb.
It performs very well at close distances too. I took a few images of my teenage girls with TAP and was able to nail the eyes every time. At close and mid distances, I don't think it's much better than the Summarit but at infinity there is absolutely no comparison.
For me, the Leica 90/2 AA will replace my ZM 85/4, CY 100/3.5 and Leica 90/2.5 Summarit lenses. They will probably go to the buy and sell soon.He did say pretty similar at f8!
Pretty similar is subjective.. .. I guess posting and seeing such comparisons could be a good or bad thing for my pocketbook
DavidBM wrote: mark1958 wroteI just got a ZM 85/4 (couple days back) and after reading about the Leica and seeing Fred's example -- was considering switching. But for the size and weight (and cost), I think will stick with the ZM. For landscapes likely shoot 5.6 or higher anyway. Maybe its best if Fred does not post any f5.6 or 8 comparisons.
Fred Miranda wroteI did some tests with the 90/2 AA today. First let me say that I've never seen a decentered Leica lens. Granted, I've only tested around 5 or 6 lenses in total but they were all perfectly centered. It's nice to have that piece of mind when purchasing it used.
So, how does it perform?...I will be direct and state that it beats my ZM 85/4 at infinity and that is very hard to do. There is more micro detail with the Leica center/mid-field and edges. It's noticeable at 1:1. That is true at f/4 and f/5.6 and it makes sense since the Zeiss is practically wide-open. At f/8 they are much closer but there is still a slight edge for the cron.
The Leica 90AA is sharp wide open but starting at f/2.8 it's gives an amazing performance for landscapes. At f/4 and f/5.6 it's really superb.
It performs very well at close distances too. I took a few images of my teenage girls with TAP and was able to nail the eyes every time. At close and mid distances, I don't think it's much better than the Summarit but at infinity there is absolutely no comparison.
For me, the Leica 90/2 AA will replace my ZM 85/4, CY 100/3.5 and Leica 90/2.5 Summarit lenses. They will probably go to the buy and sell soon.He did say pretty similar at f8!
Fred Miranda wrote:
The 85/1.4 GM (portraits) and 85/4 ZM (landscapes) strategy makes a lot of sense. The problem is that I wanted another compact fast lens for travel to use with my TAP and got the 90/2.5 Summarit for that. So, I ended up spending about $1,500...(ZM and Summarit used prices)
I came across a good deal on a 90AA and after testing it against my other lenses, it made sense for me to keep my dedicated portrait lens (85GM) and another compact and fast telephoto that does well on all distances and can be used with TAP.
Hi Fred, in term of focusing performance on TAP, any different between the 90AA and the 90 Summarit? Do you need to do pre-focusing for both?
DavidBM wrote: pdmphoto wroteBeni wrotesflxn wroteDavidBM wroteYes; no update will make it work in the original series. It's down to the way Sonys PDAF works on the II series. TAP works on the A7ii, but probably better on The A7rii which is all I've used it on.Sure, they work best on the A7RII, but all their videos show them using an A7R, which is very misleading.Why misleading? If it works for them?So it works well on the A7R! That's a surprise If that's what the video shows it's bit misleading because they explicitly say elsewhere not to use it on the A7 or A7r. You could easily watch such a video and conclude that it usually works well on the A7r
Fred Miranda wrote: GMPhotography wrotejhinkey wroteWow, it's hard to imagine anything beating my 85ZM on my A7RII, but until you get two lenses side-by-side you never know. I do know the 90/2 AA is quite a bit heavier than the ZM, which is a big deal for me and where I carry my lenses.Agree damn ZM is a laser. Question is used the ZM let's say is 650 and Leica 1800 that's a pretty big jump. Makes you scratch your head. LolThe 85/1.4 GM (portraits) and 85/4 ZM (landscapes) strategy makes a lot of sense. The problem is that I wanted another compact fast lens for travel to use with my TAP and got the 90/2.5 Summarit for that. So, I ended up spending about $1,500...(ZM and Summarit used prices)
Makes good sense: if you were going to carry a ZM and a Summarit on the same trip, much more sensible to take Summicron AA. Lighter than the pair, not much more pricey than the pair, better than the pair and very cool to wear the APO Summicron badge.
BrandonSi wrote: bluloo wroteBrandonSi wroteSo far not too great on the FDn 135mm 2.8. Will try again in better light tomorrow but in low light it's nowhere near as "locky" as the Sonnar C or some of the other faster MF glass I've got. Another week or so before my MD adapter comes in off the boat... :sigh:I was surprised late this afternoon when shooting with a Sonnar 135mm F2.8. I was hoping to capture a scurrying chipmunk, and to my surprise, it locked on as soon as it stopped for just a second. Too far away to get an interesting shot, but the focus was super-quick (I had pre-manually focused, as is always necessary with longer FLs).
Sun was going down, so light wasn't great, but semi decent (camera auto-selected ISO 5000, for reference). Center focus, Flexible spot-small, AFS.
The only PP was to adjust the exposure compensation a bit. Not a "nice" photo, but for reference. ~80% crop.
https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8149/29572646210_e6f2f60e21_b.jpgChipmunk1 by lareginl, on FlickrInteresting.. I'm not familiar with that design.. does the front element move out and in as you focus? I know the FDn 135 2.8 front element moves out at least 2-3 inches when focusing from infinity to MFD. Wondering if that travel distance might somehow be related.
I'm of course pre-focusing, but even with a decent pre-focus before engaging AF, it's still not very good.
Yes, the lens design is similar to the Minolta - it extends outward an inch or so as you focus. Maybe I just got lucky with that one shot.
I can say that when stopped down to F8 or less, it wouldn't lock focus on anything, and I had to switch to manual.
David
So you want two compact lenses for travel one for portraits and the other for landscape... How much how much do the two lenses weigh and how much room taken up compared to the Summicron? What about the 50mm/1.5 Sonnar for portraits? That gives you and additional focal length.. Or is the 50mm not long enough for the type of portraits you are interested in shooting?
DavidBM wrote: Fred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wrotejhinkey wroteWow, it's hard to imagine anything beating my 85ZM on my A7RII, but until you get two lenses side-by-side you never know. I do know the 90/2 AA is quite a bit heavier than the ZM, which is a big deal for me and where I carry my lenses.Agree damn ZM is a laser. Question is used the ZM let's say is 650 and Leica 1800 that's a pretty big jump. Makes you scratch your head. LolThe 85/1.4 GM (portraits) and 85/4 ZM (landscapes) strategy makes a lot of sense. The problem is that I wanted another compact fast lens for travel to use with my TAP and got the 90/2.5 Summarit for that. So, I ended up spending about $1,500...(ZM and Summarit used prices)Makes good sense: if you were going to carry a ZM and a Summarit on the same trip, much more sensible to take Summicron AA. Lighter than the pair, not much more pricey than the pair, better than the pair and very cool to wear the APO Summicron badge.
mark1958 wrote:
David
So you want two compact lenses for travel one for portraits and the other for landscape... How much how much do the two lenses weigh and how much room taken up compared to the Summicron? What about the 50mm/1.5 Sonnar for portraits? That gives you and additional focal length.. Or is the 50mm not long enough for the type of portraits you are interested in shooting?
DavidBM wroteFred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wrotejhinkey wroteWow, it's hard to imagine anything beating my 85ZM on my A7RII, but until you get two lenses side-by-side you never know. I do know the 90/2 AA is quite a bit heavier than the ZM, which is a big deal for me and where I carry my lenses.Agree damn ZM is a laser. Question is used the ZM let's say is 650 and Leica 1800 that's a pretty big jump. Makes you scratch your head. LolThe 85/1.4 GM (portraits) and 85/4 ZM (landscapes) strategy makes a lot of sense. The problem is that I wanted another compact fast lens for travel to use with my TAP and got the 90/2.5 Summarit for that. So, I ended up spending about $1,500...(ZM and Summarit used prices)Makes good sense: if you were going to carry a ZM and a Summarit on the same trip, much more sensible to take Summicron AA. Lighter than the pair, not much more pricey than the pair, better than the pair and very cool to wear the APO Summicron badge.
Hi Mark my comment wasn't about what I wanted; just understanding Fred's needs and motivations. He wanted short teles for both landscape and portraits, and sometimes carried both ZM and Summarit. APO Summicron makes sense for him.
For me I have two very different travel situations; multi day hiking were compactness and lightness are crucial and landscape my aim. ZM is ideal for that (currently I use c/y) Anyone I'm traveling with in those circs is dirty and sweaty, and doesn't want to be photographed except informally with a 35 or at most a 50!
If I'm holidaying or traveling for work more relaxedly with less constraint on weight/bulk my choice is Batis which gives excellent landscape and portrait performance along with eye AF. Maybe not as good as the APO Summicron in the outer field at wider apertures, but great in the centre and still good in outer field. Fully stopped down its one of the handful of short teles that are good beyond being able to distinguish.
How many have tried the TAP with a 135 lens? I use F32 and it works for setting the ibis but after that initial setup shot, the focus area will not come up and only manual focus will work. I went back to a 90 at F29 and it works fine but not with the 135 setting. This is on the latest FW.
Never mind. I just looked at the chart and it says MF. I wonder why? I put it in the 90mm setting and of course ibis doesn't work totally right but it will focus very well. This is with the f4 tele-elmar.
I am also realizing with hands on experience the battery use is horrible. Not sure if it is worth it. Fun but for practical purposes, it looks like the equivalent of a couple of rolls of film before changing the battery.
jamato8 wrote:
How many have tried the TAP with a 135 lens? I use F32 and it works for setting the ibis but after that initial setup shot, the focus area will not come up and only manual focus will work. I went back to a 90 at F29 and it works fine but not with the 135 setting. This is on the latest FW.
Never mind. I just looked at the chart and it says MF. I wonder why? I put it in the 90mm setting and of course ibis doesn't work totally right but it will focus very well. This is with the f4 tele-elmar. ...Show more →
F32 is manual focus. Set the FL and IBIS manually and leave the techart on some other setting.
135mm is usable (with varying results, as indicated in this thread) on the TAP, though pre-focusing is a necessity.
Well my Techart Pro adapter finally arrived today and I had an opportunity to test it out with various lens combinations, my initial impressions are very positive, it delivers as expected. I've tested it with various M-mount lenses including the Zeiss ZM C 50 Sonnar, the ZM 85, Canon 85 1.9 Serenar and the Rokkor 90 M. The only disappointment on the M side has been that I can't mount my Canon 50 0.95 that has been converted to M-mount, it's one of my favourite lenses but the lens barrel diameter is just to large on will not physically allow it to mount on the adapter.
I ordered a Fotodiox M42-Leica M adapter as well as a Fotodiox MD-LeicaM and I'm happy to report that both adapters fit the Techart without any issues. I had to carry out a "Guy Mancuso operation" on the M42 adapter because that particular model is flanged for lenses with auto-diaphram pins, the Biotar 58 M42 mount wouldn't screw in all the way into the adapter because of the rear lens shroud. Some Dremel work solved the problem.
Still testing various lens combinations but as I sated earlier it's pretty amazing technology. My ZM 35 Distagon should arrive some time next week so I'm very much looking forward to testing that lens as well.
jamato8 wrote:
I am also realizing with hands on experience the battery use is horrible. Not sure if it is worth it. Fun but for practical purposes, it looks like the equivalent of a couple of rolls of film before changing the battery.
The battery drainage is a known issue/bug. In my experience, Fred's method of turning off the camera then removing and reinserting the battery before storing the camera works reliably in preserving the battery's charge.
DavidBM wrote: mark1958 wroteDavid
So you want two compact lenses for travel one for portraits and the other for landscape... How much how much do the two lenses weigh and how much room taken up compared to the Summicron? What about the 50mm/1.5 Sonnar for portraits? That gives you and additional focal length.. Or is the 50mm not long enough for the type of portraits you are interested in shooting?
DavidBM wroteFred Miranda wroteGMPhotography wrotejhinkey wroteWow, it's hard to imagine anything beating my 85ZM on my A7RII, but until you get two lenses side-by-side you never know. I do know the 90/2 AA is quite a bit heavier than the ZM, which is a big deal for me and where I carry my lenses.Agree damn ZM is a laser. Question is used the ZM let's say is 650 and Leica 1800 that's a pretty big jump. Makes you scratch your head. LolThe 85/1.4 GM (portraits) and 85/4 ZM (landscapes) strategy makes a lot of sense. The problem is that I wanted another compact fast lens for travel to use with my TAP and got the 90/2.5 Summarit for that. So, I ended up spending about $1,500...(ZM and Summarit used prices)Makes good sense: if you were going to carry a ZM and a Summarit on the same trip, much more sensible to take Summicron AA. Lighter than the pair, not much more pricey than the pair, better than the pair and very cool to wear the APO Summicron badge.Hi Mark my comment wasn't about what I wanted; just understanding Fred's needs and motivations. He wanted short teles for both landscape and portraits, and sometimes carried both ZM and Summarit. APO Summicron makes sense for him.
For me I have two very different travel situations; multi day hiking were compactness and lightness are crucial and landscape my aim. ZM is ideal for that (currently I use c/y) Anyone I'm traveling with in those circs is dirty and sweaty, and doesn't want to be photographed except informally with a 35 or at most a 50!
If I'm holidaying or traveling for work more relaxedly with less constraint on weight/bulk my choice is Batis which gives excellent landscape and portrait performance along with eye AF. Maybe not as good as the APO Summicron in the outer field at wider apertures, but great in the centre and still good in outer field. Fully stopped down its one of the handful of short teles that are good beyond being able to distinguish.