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Jim Dockery
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p.1 #1 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


I was excited to see the Bracket Pro app could do focus brackets, but then sorely disappointed that it could only do 3 shots. If it could be set to do a specified number of shots from the close focus that you start at out to infinity it would be a tremendous aid in doing focus stacks. Doesn't seem too hard, but I haven't heard about this for any camera yet. Why not?


Jul 08, 2016 at 12:22 PM
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p.1 #2 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


Just another reason it would really be great if they'd open up app development a la the Android/Apple app stores. There are so many things in these Sony apps that seem obvious but get overlooked by people that clearly are developing from a programmer's perspective rather than a photographer's.


Jul 08, 2016 at 01:34 PM
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p.1 #3 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


http://cameras.olympus.com/stack/en/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/12/05/rejoice-om-d-e-m1-shooters-for-focus-stacking-is-here-via-new-firmware-v4.0

Some later models Olympus O-MD have this built in.
Try google and search

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Jul 08, 2016 at 01:35 PM
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p.1 #4 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


I agree, adding real focus stacking in a Sony camera app would be very useful.


Jul 08, 2016 at 02:20 PM
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p.1 #5 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


https://developer.sony.com/develop/cameras/

Is there anything else need than the above to write an app?

Vcize wrote:
Just another reason it would really be great if they'd open up app development a la the Android/Apple app stores. There are so many things in these Sony apps that seem obvious but get overlooked by people that clearly are developing from a programmer's perspective rather than a photographer's.



Jul 08, 2016 at 02:26 PM
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p.1 #6 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


ken.vs.ryu wrote:
https://developer.sony.com/develop/cameras/

Is there anything else need than the above to write an app?



That app will run on your smartphone/tablet. Also the API for smartphone/tablet currently doesn't support setting of a focus distance manually, either relative or absolute position. This was last time I checked.



Jul 08, 2016 at 02:43 PM
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p.1 #7 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


There is a framework for 3rd party apps called OpenMemories though, slighly odd that someone hasn't mentioned it but here you go:
http://github.com/ma1co/OpenMemories-Framework

ma1co also just recently added an appstore for it as well (people can now download apps via the appstore once installed):
http://github.com/ma1co/OpenMemories-AppStore

Currently there aren't many apps (probably because most photographers aren't developers) but there is however an app for focus bracketing that is something that is mentioned in this thread.

Edit: Fixed link that linked to this thread instead of Github.

Edited on Jul 09, 2016 at 05:26 AM · View previous versions



Jul 08, 2016 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #8 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


I've never tried this app. Does it give you a 3-shot focused stacked RAW image? Does it calculate what to focus on automatically? Sounds interesting.
I may tried it with the FE 16-35/4 as I assume it will only work with AF lenses.



Jul 08, 2016 at 06:14 PM
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p.1 #9 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


Tommieh, the first link in your post is to this thread. Edit: Thanks for fixing!

Also, thanks for sharing information about OpenMemories.

Edited on Jul 09, 2016 at 09:13 PM · View previous versions



Jul 08, 2016 at 06:16 PM
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p.1 #10 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


https://www.playmemoriescameraapps.com/portal/usbdetail.php?eid=IS9104-NPIA09014_00-000001


Jul 09, 2016 at 05:08 AM
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p.1 #11 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


Fred Miranda wrote:
I've never tried this app. Does it give you a 3-shot focused stacked RAW image? Does it calculate what to focus on automatically? Sounds interesting.
I may tried it with the FE 16-35/4 as I assume it will only work with AF lenses.


The app works by the user setting point A (close) and point B (far). The app then take X amount of shots (configurable) of everything in-between.

Haven't had time to test it myself, was about to but noticed that i didn't have any charged batteries. I don't focus bracket that much but with this app it might become something i do more since it would be much easier to just trigger such a sequence.

Edit: To clarify these custom apps are not related to the WIFI-apps at all but rather related to the internal apps one can download and run without any WIFI-stuff. This also enables these apps to have access to more settings making it possible to create what i would call real apps. Basically one could re-create all the apps that sony has already made but add or change things around as one want.

What's currently missing are developers, but activity has risen since ma1co released v1 of the OpenMemories Framework and will probably rise even more since the launch of the Appstore that makes it much, much... more simple to download new apps in the future.



Jul 09, 2016 at 05:33 AM
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p.1 #12 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


There are two excellent macro lenses for the E mount that could be used with a focus stacking app, the Sony G 90/2.8 macro for full frame and the Zeiss Touit 50/2.8 Makro Planar for APS-C. So, a focus stacking app would be most welcome.


Jul 09, 2016 at 06:31 AM
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p.1 #13 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


bjornthun wrote:
There are two excellent macro lenses for the E mount that could be used with a focus stacking app, the Sony G 90/2.8 macro for full frame and the Zeiss Touit 50/2.8 Makro Planar for APS-C. So, a focus stacking app would be most welcome.


Don't forget the third party lenses via adapters though. Also landscape photographhers benefits quite a lot by having an easy to use focus bracketing app.

Btw -- really wish i could code java so i just could create a bounch of useful apps, ie like the one i proposed at the Sony Community site: http://community.sony.com/t5/Join-the-Inspiration/Advanced-Bracketing/idi-p/542423



Jul 09, 2016 at 10:46 AM
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p.1 #14 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


tommieh, Thanks for the links to ma1co and the focus bracketing app there. I put it in my A7rII today and it works great - all for free too!

https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8823/27589809524_170ea5cb80_o.jpg
17 shots stacked, my backyard today



Jul 09, 2016 at 08:09 PM
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p.1 #15 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


Jim Dockery wrote:
tommieh, Thanks for the links to ma1co and the focus bracketing app there. I put it in my A7rII today and it works great - all for free too!

https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8823/27589809524_170ea5cb80_o.jpg
17 shots stacked, my backyard today


Which lens did you use? Is there raw support?

I think I have to try this.



Jul 09, 2016 at 09:15 PM
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p.1 #16 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


55mm, f8, files saved as RAW, no blend in camera available.


Jul 09, 2016 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #17 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


Thanks, I have the Zerene Stacker software, so that's fine. Blending the files after stacking takes a lot of computer horse power.


Jul 10, 2016 at 05:04 AM
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p.1 #18 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


You could always add an issue for such things at http://github.com/obs1dium/FocusBracket/issues
...but my guess is that auto-stacking within the camera would be something that would be quite hard to achieve (and outputting RAW as well) and would be so slow that it wouldn't be a "real" option when out in the field.

Edit: Maybe this stuff should be in its own thread.



Jul 10, 2016 at 05:23 AM
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p.1 #19 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


I finally had the time to test it myself and it does work and it works as one would expect it would work (sort of):

http://i.imgur.com/NdQMVur.jpg

A7r II + Sony FE 16-35 @ 35mm 5.6
Simple stack via Photoshop auto-blend

One get the choice to set X number of images. In this case i could have opted for the max between this distance which would have been 33 shots in total but i opted for 10 since this was a proof of concept.

To use the app one basically do this:
1. Set settings that one intend to use (exposures etc)
2. Set camera to MF mode
3. Open app
4. Set NEAR limit
5. Set FAR limit
6. Press 'OK' (middle button)
7. Choose numer of shots
8. Press 'OK'

After that a timer counts down from 3 and after that the camera starts shooting. If one got peaking on one can see how the app shifts focus after each shot just like one would expect.



Jul 10, 2016 at 08:44 AM
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p.1 #20 · Why not give Bracket Pro app more options?


I tried installing the focus stack app on my A6000, A7 and on the A7 II. It works on the A6000 and on the A7 II.

On the A7 the green and red bars never show up, the app lets you set a minimum focusing distance and after you press enter, you are asked to set maximum distance, but then the app becomes unresponsive on the original A7. On the A7 II and on the A6000 it works as advertised.

The app is only 37 kB, so it takes up virtually no space.

As a proof of concept it's good.



Jul 10, 2016 at 09:19 AM
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